here is a good place to start.

Many of the Phillies players are douchebags. See: Victorino, Shane; Rollins, Jimmy; and Hamels, Chase

Many Phillies fans are douchebags. Fuck you and fuck your mom exchanges are pretty lame.

I live just outside Philly, Fans of all the Philly teams are obnoxious as all hell.

cole hamels called the mets choke artists!

HOO-AH I hate the Phillies! Now give me the 1992 Best Actor Oscar.

but, he does have talent. there are always going to be fairy ballplayers in the majors. however, I repect the Phillies and their organization. They went through hell and rebuilt and are ultimatley going for their 2nd title in a row.

though I do find several of their players reprehensible (Brett Myers, Shane Victorino) and several others douchey (Ibanez, Hamels, Ruiz). I have no problem with most Phillies (Rollins, Howard, Werth, Utley, Lee, Pedro).

That being said, I find it hard to believe that Mets fans actually hate the Phillies (who three or four years ago most Mets fans wouldn’t have cared less about) more than the Yankees (who have been hated for as long as I can remember).

Remember, it’s not like the Yankees are devoid of douches. This is a team that starts off batting Derek Jeter, Johnny Damon, Mark Teixeira, Alex Rodriguez. And it’s not like the Prick-Quotient falls precipitously after those guys.

Yes, there are some douches on the Phillies, but there are also douches on Mets this season (Gary Sheffield, Billy Wagner) and there are nowhere near as many as are on the Yankees. Couple that with the fact that they’re playing the freaking Yankees and I don’t see how people who don’t live in South Jersey or Eastern Pennsylvania could root for the Skanks. I know a lot of folks who are and it just boggles my mind.

My company is based in Philly, and most folks I work with who are Phils fans are somewhat decent about it. In fact, most of them are disappointed that the Mets weren’t any competition this year, which I think is pretty fair of them. On the other hand, the Yankee fans I work with are mostly arrogant punks, with a few exceptions and those guys just basically pretend other teams don’t exist.

1- The Phillies have too many jackass players (Hamels), overrated players (Rollins), or both (Myers, Victorino). Plus, both Jayson Weth and Raul Ibanez look scary. Werth looks like a sex predator frat boy, and Ibanez looks like an alien. At least we traded all of our rapist players.

2- Philly fans are extremely transparent. As anyone who follows baseball knows, go back a decade or so, and where were all of the so-called “diehard Phans”? I don’t want to say that the entire fanbase of the team is the result of massive band wagoning, because that insults the actual fans, who sat through all of the bad, but the percentage of band wagon fans to actual fans really is staggering. Maybe only the Yankees beat them in that category. And, with the band wagon fans comes all of the riff-raff that, now, goes almost hand-in-hand with Philly fans- rudeness, picking fights, belligerence. I was at a Mets-Phillies game last year, in September (or was it August?). I personally witnessed two “Phans”, ages between 20-29, I guess, heckle a middle-aged Mets fan with two younger kids (a boy who seemed about 10, and a girl who seemed about 6) sitting behind them to the point that the kids began crying, and the man eventually got up and left (to where he went, I don’t know).

3- The city of Philadelphia’s little brother complex, as mentioned a few posts above, is annoying. Philadelphia is not as an important place as New York is. Get over it. Do the people of Tacoma constantly bitch and whine about being cooler and better than, say, Seattle? I don’t think so…

So, uh, yeah.

Ahole fans like that aren’t something most of us enjoy.

The Phillies and the Mets have finally both become relevant at the same time, and given the geography, it’s become a pretty heated rivalry. If Mets fans seem angrier about it, it’s because we’ve gotten the short end of the stick in each of the last 3 years (and 2006 wasn’t close enough to make Phillies fans very angry).

I also don’t like guys like Myers and Victorino (but I don’t like guys on pretty much every team, see Ross, Cody).

I dunno, I personally can’t get my blood to boil in seething hatred for the Phils like I do for the evil empire in the Bronx.

Those who see the game as a comptetion between teams, and those who see it as a competition between cities.

Philadelphian sports fans are in the second category, to a greater proportion and more extremist extent than any other city in the nation. It’s irrational; it provokes ugly behaviors; it also reveals their own profound insecurities about the quality of their city. This phony metonymny is the only thing that explains to me the degree of arrogance at winning and eat-their-own booing the home team when they lose.

It’s actually pretty sad to see a city acting like its collective worth rises or falls based on McNabb throwing a completion or an INT. All this augury and conquest and betrayal is like something out of the latter part of the Roman Empire… which might be a nice frame of reference for any Phan reading that’s itching to use the word “dynasty.”

I’d prefer to see the Mets win, because that’s how sports fandom works. Phillies fans want to beat the Mets to assert that Philadelphia is superior to New York. That will never be true, and even if it could be, that’s not how it’ll happen. You don’t take our awesomeness when you defeat us. It’s not bloody Highlander.

to LA in february of 07 so I wasn’t here for that awful ending. Since moving back and attending Rutgers the many west-jersey people are phillies fans. I still wear my Mets Tradition shirt, Santana Jersey, and Doc Jersey and have heard nothing from Phils fans. But the damn yankee fans.

I will reiterate my reasoning for rooting against the yanks. Smug, arrogant and myopic. How many teams fans just say “sign Mauer” or “sign reyes when he is a free agent to replace jeter.” No other team has that entitlement that the yankee fans have but the sawx may be getting close.

That being said I still hate the braves much moreso than the Phils. Only way I would root for the Yanks was if they were playing the dodgers. I hear that happens a lot though when people move to other cities as shown by the numerous people here who spent time in Philly or the surrounding area.

Shane Victorino
Jimmy Rollins
Cole Hamels
Jayson Stark
The immense overrating of Ryan Howard
Phillies fans

This is probably a cue they got from their players. When the Phillies beat the Dodgers, the Facebook statuses of my friends in Philly weren’t about how happy they were to be back in the World Series. It was a lot of “Suck it Dodgers!!!1” Same story when they beat the Mets. Phillies fans seem to take more enjoyment in rubbing it in the faces of Met fans than in the fact that they won a big division game. This I cannot stand. Add that to everything everyone said above about their players (especially Victorino, Rollins, and Hamels) being total jerks. I just can’t stand them. They’ve catapulted past the Yankees for me. Frankly, I find A-Rod to be a self-obsessed douchebag, but more of a weirdo than a jerk. There aren’t players on the Yankees I really hate for being jerks. I do hate their fans, but mostly because they’re so smug. I think I prefer arrogant fans to fans who are just out and out jerks like so many Phillies fans (obviously these are gross generalizations, but I don’t think they’re inaccurate as general behavioral tendencies).