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Non-Tender Candidate: John Maine

The Mets penciled John Maine into the 2009 rotation despite uncertainty about his health, following bone spur surgery after 2008. Expecting him to return to 2007 form was a stretch but it wasn't unreasonable to think he could provide 140 innings with a ~4.30 FIP.  The various preseason projection systems pegged him around this level of performance.  Like most of the Mets, Maine's season didn't turn out quite as well as hoped.

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Will Carroll of Baseball Prospectus wrote the following before the season:

Maine tried to pitch through a bone spur in his shoulder last year. The off-season surgery worked out better than that did, and he's pitching well so far. I don't expect it to be a problem once he gets comfortable, but I wouldn't be surprised by a bad April.

Carroll was somewhat prophetic, as Maine struggled mightily in April.  In fact, he wasn't very good from Opening Day through June 6, the day of his last start before hitting the DL until September with arm fatigue and various other ailments.  During this time, Maine threw 61.2 innings, striking out 42 and walking 34.  His swinging strike % during this stretch was a solid 9% but if a pitcher is going to walk that many batters he better have a K/9 higher than 6.13.

Maine didn't return until the playoff push garbage time, making 4 September starts.  He pitched better than in April-June, with a 13:4 K/BB ratio in 19.2 innings.  His last start of the season was also his best and his fastball velocity was improved from the poor early season showing.  Overall, it was a borderline replacement level season.  A decent 4.43 ERA masked a lucky .253 BABIP and 7.5% HR/FB%.  An xFIP of 5.14 and a tERA of 4.89 are better indicators of the kind of season he had.  Still, his velocity was about where it was in 2007 and an offseason of rest won't hurt his continued recovery from surgery.

Verdict: Bring him back in 2010. He's just 28 years old, is relatively cheap and his batted ball profile meshes well with Citi Field's dimensions.  Hopefully the outfield defense will be improved next season (adios Gary Sheffield, hello Matt Holliday or Mike Cameron?). It would be a mistake to guarantee a rotation spot (likewise for Oliver Perez) and his spring training performance should be under tight scrutiny.  Maine earned $2.6 million last season, avoiding arbitration.  He wouldn't cost much more than that next season.  For a pitcher who was a 2.5-3 WAR performer just 2 years ago, this is a more than fair price to pay.

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I've been a big John Maine fan

ever since I peed next to him before game 2 of the 2006 NLDS…

Oh, the butcher and the baker and the people on the street: wheredotheygo?!?!?

by CharlieH on Oct 30, 2009 1:13 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

Ahem...

So what you’re saying is that you were impressed by his stuff?

"Those who fear disorder more than injustice inevitably produce more of both." -- Rev. William Coffin

by dcrockett17 on Oct 30, 2009 1:46 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

OK, here's what happened:

I had seats in the bleachers for game 2 — and the rest of the playoff, but that’s another story. My Dad & I got to Shea about 2.5 hours before game time.

I had to pee like Man O’ War, so I went into the bathroom in the side of the Stadium, right next to the visitors’ bullpen. I walk in, and there’s well…John Maine at the urinal.

I observed standard men’s room decorum: eyes front, no talking. I couldn’t even give him a “Nice game yesterday,” or anything…

Oh, the butcher and the baker and the people on the street: wheredotheygo?!?!?

by CharlieH on Oct 30, 2009 2:25 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

i can only imagine that plumbing in the players restroom at Shea

was backed up with giant Castro droppings/rats.

I.M. Forme
"When you get yourself into trouble is when you feel you have to do something, and then you get yourself in trouble." --Omar Minaya

by itsmetsforme on Oct 30, 2009 5:28 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

It'd be silly to just let him go with the upsides compared to the down

As was said, he’s relatively young, relatively good, and showed that he could really bring it when he was fully zoned in (parts of 2006 and much of 2007). I wouldn’t sign him to a long-term deal, but there’s no reason not to take it year-by-year for next season, maybe the season after…

"Blinding ignorance does mislead us. O! Wretched mortals, open your eyes!"

by Brooklyn Dodgers Mets Fan on Oct 30, 2009 1:25 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

definitely keep him

he’s pretty cheap with a good upside, and he’s shown when he’s healthy he can be a solid pitcher. I’d take him for maybe 2 years or a year with an option for 2011.

by KeithsMoustache on Oct 30, 2009 2:06 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

The key point:

“his batted ball profile meshes well with Citi Field’s dimensions.” Maine is a fly ball/strikeout pitcher who seems made for the park. If he’s finally healthy and the Mets improve the outfield defense even a bit, he could have a big year in 2010.

by madisonmetsfan on Oct 30, 2009 2:08 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

Hey, I have to root for the guy.

Saw his near no hitter in 07. When healthy, he’s still a very good pitcher.

"I dunno. I never smoked any Astroturf"
-Tug McGraw

by squid92 on Oct 30, 2009 3:10 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

I went to two games in 06 both pitched by Maine

The first was when he gave up two homers to Pujols, a three run and grand slam, Delgado hit his 400th home run, Beltran hit that awesome walk off (but he’s so unclutch) we acquired Green that day, and Duncan made a diving catch to rob Reyes of a triple. Awesome seats too, first row loge, between first and home. The second was the best game ever, well that year at least. Game 6 NLCS, 5+ innings of no run ball and Reyes leadoff homer. Even better seats that game, first row behind the dugout and I got my picture in the Daily News showing Maine coming out of the game walking into the dugout.

"We must win and we must know how to win rather than win because we have statistical people."

by Evan_S on Oct 30, 2009 4:30 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

It really really was...

I knew in 2008 that the team was not going to make it when Santana pitched that gem of a game on the second to last day against the Marlins. It was almost like history was repeating itself…

"Blinding ignorance does mislead us. O! Wretched mortals, open your eyes!"

by Brooklyn Dodgers Mets Fan on Nov 2, 2009 9:08 AM EST up reply actions   0 recs

I'm a big fan of Johnny Maine

He is occasionally frustrating but usually reliable, and his ‘rising’ fastball is a good out pitch. Keeper!

by deadspy3 on Oct 30, 2009 3:22 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

Maine might be better suited in the pen as he seems a bit fragile as a starter. Remember when Billy Wags went down the word was the Mets would use Maine as the closer

by SISHAMROCK on Oct 30, 2009 4:39 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

i hate to admit it

because i really like maine and he clearly has the stuff to start, but each passing year this statement seems more and more true.

by robcast23 on Oct 30, 2009 9:49 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

love me

non-tender

I.M. Forme
"When you get yourself into trouble is when you feel you have to do something, and then you get yourself in trouble." --Omar Minaya

by itsmetsforme on Oct 30, 2009 5:27 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

I've been a big fan of Maine's since 2006

so I hope they bring him back and he could stay healthy. They shouldn’t count on him by any means, but hopefully he can be one of those surprise players that every championship team needs

"[The Giants] beat us down. We were beat by a grown-man team, a team we want to be like one day. They came in here and took it to us. Out-manned us, out-gunned us. ... It wasn't even close." - Raheem Morris, 9/27/09

by cjmulrain on Oct 30, 2009 6:29 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

Keep Maine

Gotta believe Maine, if 100%, will be a plus player for us in 1 capacity or another. We have to give our younger players every chance while building up the farm system. To give away potential with nothing ready from the minors to replace it means we’ll have to trade prospects or go the livan route again. Personally I believe Maine can be a more than solid starter for years to come. Let him compete for a starters job.

by t agee on Nov 1, 2009 10:55 AM EST reply actions   0 recs


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