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Jeff Pearlman Vs. Mark McGwire

If I had to name the most pompous, self-righteous and judgmental mainstream sportswriter around it would probably be Jeff Pearlman.  At the same time, Pearlman is also one of the most talented sportswriters around.  His pieces at Sports Illustrated and his personal blog are daily must-reads, no matter how much I disagree and am annoyed with what he is writing.  Yesterday's Pearlman article at SI.com about Mark McGwire being hired as the St. Louis Cardinals hitting coach falls into the "extremely annoying" category.  He gripes about the hiring, on the grounds that McGwire is a dirty cheater who screwed over Roger Maris and the Maris family.  A few snippets:

As I sit here at my computer, dumbfounded by the St. Louis Cardinals' numbingly inane decision to hire McGwire as the team's new hitting coach, I think back to Maris. Actually, I really think back to September 8, 1998, when McGwire hit his 62nd home run of the season at Busch Stadium, then immediately walked toward the stands to engulf Maris' family in an enormous bear hug. Later, with tears streaming down his cheeks, McGwire told the media how, earlier in the day, he had held the bat Maris used when he set the old mark.


Worst of all, however, McGwire was a baseball thief. At the very moment his 341-foot home run landed behind the outfield fence, he robbed Roger Maris of the most important record in professional sports. He robbed the Maris family of future income from 61-related merchandising and events.

We've read/heard stories like this a hundred times before from high priest moralizers like Bill Plaschke, Joel Sherman and Jayson Stark.  Interchange McGwire with Barry Bonds or Roger Clemens and we get the same tale: "The PED users of the last 20 years ruined the game, a game so pure and so innocent until the juiced era."  The mainstream media led the prosecution of the PED users.  Unfortunately the average baseball fan is too dumb to form his/her own opinion on most topics and takes cues from these writers.  That's why we hear "you did steroids!" chants at baseball games when Manny Ramirez bats. 

I'm pretty sure one day the general public will wake up and realize the ruse that was pulled by the steroid era sportswriters.  Until that day, I'll be thankful we have the likes of Bill James, Rob Neyer and Tom Tango to provide some relevant, non-Pearlman type insight on the PED topic.  Good luck, Mark McGwire.  Hopefully you can do your job without being hassled by athlete-hating jock sniffers still demanding "hard answers" about your Andro usage 11 years ago.

It seems to me that, with the passage of time, more people will come to understand that the commissioner's periodic spasms of self-righteousness do not constitute baseball law. It seems to me that the argument that it is cheating must ultimately collapse under the weight of carrying this great contradiction-that 80% of the players are cheating against the other 20% by violating some "rule" to which they never consented, which was never included in the rule books, and which for which there was no enforcement procedure. History is simply not going to see it that way.

Maybe the cheaters were wrong; that's the direction in which I lean, probably because I've got a streak of the moralist in me. But I will not sit idly while great athletes looking for an edge -- not all that different from the many generations before them -- are demonized by the high priests of baseball opinion. I will not.

We care about this less than the players do.  As I keep saying, this is a workplace issue, a personal issue.  If players have a problem with it, they have to deal with it as a union.  And if they can’t, that means the majority of the players doesn’t want to deal with it.  We as fans can’t expect more from players than they themselves expect from each other.  And fans respond with their feet and wallet by giving money to MLB.  It’s that simple.

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Jeff Pearlman may be the writer I'm most conflicted about too.

On the one hand, he’s obviously a smart guy who is a good journalist. On the other, like you said, his ego is out of control.

"I dunno. I never smoked any Astroturf"
-Tug McGraw

by squid92 on Oct 31, 2009 12:32 AM EDT reply actions   0 recs

and he called Pratt a douchebag

unacceptable.

"We're investigating the investigative procedure of the investigation of Tony Bernazard"---Omar Minaya (he really didn't say it but he would"

by firejerrynow on Oct 31, 2009 6:10 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Great stuff James

Fuck Jeff Pearlman, I love McGwire.

by vivaelpujols on Oct 31, 2009 1:53 AM EDT reply actions   0 recs

This.

Mac saved baseball.

by fxcarden on Oct 31, 2009 8:56 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Bill James.....

What Bill James fails to realize is that players that juiced were breaking the law.

Never mind that they were not breaking any major league rules. They were breaking the law.

It should also be noted that they resisted when the MLB tried to put a plan in place.

by Coolpapabell on Oct 31, 2009 10:08 AM EDT reply actions   0 recs

Eh. Not to get too political, but drug laws are ridiculous anyway. Most Americans have broken them because they shouldn’t exist anyway, so it’s hard for me to care.

by HotChipWillBreakYourLegs on Oct 31, 2009 10:25 AM EDT via mobile up reply actions   0 recs

There are hundreds if not thousands of “drug laws.” There is a difference between being able to spark one up and turning baseball into a version of East German olympic swimming.

by ol Pete on Oct 31, 2009 11:49 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Oh, I don’t really care from a baseball standpoint either. The league can make whatever rules they want, and in the absence of such rules, the players can make decisions based on their own values. I’m glad baseball made a decision to clean itself up, though I can only assume players are finding other ways to cheat. It will be funny if we get more research on HGH that says it’s actually good for you. Then do we let our athletes take it?

Clemens is still an asshole though

by HotChipWillBreakYourLegs on Oct 31, 2009 11:57 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

I don't get why

it matters to MLB whether they’ve broken the law. First of all, let’s wait til Mark McGwire faces a trial before we start calling him a law-breaker; it’s unfair otherwise. Second, if MLB were to sanction everyone who’s broken the law, I’d imagine the ranks would thin out considerably. Lots of players have broken the law, even serious ones.

Babe Ruth drank during prohibition. Keith Hernandez and countless others did, too. Orlando Cepeda has been arrested three times, twice on drug-related charges. Hell, Paul Molitor did coke. I don’t remember anyone complaining when he was made a coach.

If you want to start punishing players for legal difficulties, don’t cherry pick the ones who make you the maddest.

by Alex Nelson on Oct 31, 2009 10:41 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Keith Hernandez

drank during prohibition???? He played well for such an old feller.

by Dapoil on Nov 1, 2009 7:51 AM EST up reply actions   0 recs

As we all now know McGwire was a fraud. His amazing feat wasn’t nearly so amazing. His courage and strength were mirages. His greatness, well, very artificial.

Doesn’t Pearlman know that McGwire has never admitted to using steroids nor has been convicted of such a thing? Now yes he has stated that he used an anabolic steroid but that was legal at the time under U.S. law and for use in MLB.

Did McGwire takes steroids, most likely yes but shouldn’t he be innocent until proven guilty?

First our pleasures die - and then Our hopes, and then our fears - and when These are dead, the debt is due, Dust claims dust - and we die too.

by Pennywise on Oct 31, 2009 10:41 AM EDT reply actions   0 recs

So ol Pete

When did you stop beating your wife?

I agree that in the court of public opinion that you are guilty until…. well people will assume whatever they want to assume forever. Accusations and righteous indignation get us nowhere and pearlman is being childish. But that’s what journalists do. It’s for the children.

by HotChipWillBreakYourLegs on Oct 31, 2009 12:03 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

That's hard to follow

but the whole innocent until proven guilty is a standard in the legal system. And FWIW, the legal system doesn’t really follow it all that well.

by ol Pete on Oct 31, 2009 12:15 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

I don't agree with thatlast part at all.

Based on the evidence we have we’re allowed to come to our own conclusions and opinions, we just can’t use those opinions to put them in jail for it.

"We must win and we must know how to win rather than win because we have statistical people."

by Evan_S on Oct 31, 2009 2:23 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

49

McGwire hit 49 HRs as a rookie. I think if he did take steroids (and I belive he did) he probably never really needed to.

by Dapoil on Nov 1, 2009 7:53 AM EST up reply actions   0 recs

im glad steroids were rampant in the 90's

after the strike i really wasnt following baseball, but all the steroid fun really helping bring me back in to the fold.

i was at shea when mcgwire hit his 50th HR of his 70 hr season. it was awesome. i couldnt give a crap what he was taking. if he was on roids, well that just means he was willing to sacrifice his long term health for my entertainment. i applaud him for it. moreover, jeff pearlman sounds like a total jagov. did steroids help mcqwire and sosa deal with the insane media hype and pressure during the record chase?

yeah, i’ll still read perlman’s stuff and give him the benefit of the doubt because he is such a good writer, but im really sick of all this ant steroid nonsense. players jeopardizing their livelihoods and careers just to be awesomer at baseball. that is the definition of team player.

Lets hope that when gut check time comes again the Mets will pass it with flying colors.

by kendynamo on Oct 31, 2009 11:44 AM EDT reply actions   0 recs

it wasn't even a frickin rule

that’s the key thing, and the sad thing.

Manny though deserves any shit he takes. No longer an 80% vs. 20% scenario, at least I hope not. Cheating to gain an edge against other players.

by letsgocyclones on Oct 31, 2009 2:08 PM EDT via mobile reply actions   0 recs

I agree

that PED users shouldn’t be unconditionally demonized, and get annoyed all the self-righteousness from people who might have done the same thing in those situations, but I get equally annoyed by the “I can’t see why anyone would have a problem with steroids” angle. When that latter group takes the stand that anyone who disapproves of players who took steroids is an idiot, it comes off as equally pompous and arrogant. I think it’s a murky enough issue that while steroid takers might not be the villains that some would have you think, it’s not illegitimate for people to have a problem with them.

by Mount17 on Oct 31, 2009 11:09 PM EDT reply actions   1 recs

and, let's bear in mind

demonized by the same sportswriters who were tripping over each other to celebrate the achievements of the PED users rather than questioning what was going on at the time

by JoshNY on Nov 1, 2009 5:31 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

rec'd

both dogmatic sides of the debate are equally annoying. Steroids are the politics of baseball

"[The Giants] beat us down. We were beat by a grown-man team, a team we want to be like one day. They came in here and took it to us. Out-manned us, out-gunned us. ... It wasn't even close." - Raheem Morris, 9/27/09

by cjmulrain on Nov 2, 2009 12:11 AM EST up reply actions   0 recs

Forget morality

The fact of the matter is that there’s pretty much no evidence that steroids even helped players hit more home runs. I’d suggest reading over some of the info on this site: http://steroids-and-baseball.com/. So much in the steroid debate is taken for granted that shouldn’t be.

by yellomellojello on Nov 1, 2009 12:53 AM EDT reply actions   0 recs

Steroids make you stronger, that is a given

and the stronger you are the easier it will be to hit the ball farther or throw the ball harder. Obviously there are more important factors, like being good at baseball, but it helps. I just don’t care, it’s not that big of a deal.

"We must win and we must know how to win rather than win because we have statistical people."

by Evan_S on Nov 1, 2009 3:04 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

At the risk of getting abused by the entire AA community...

May I play devil’s advocate? I have zero problem with steroid use. (BTW, the term “steroid” is too widely used. For example, I have been given steroids by my doctor for a physical illness; it didn’t do a thing to help me hit a baseball further.) If this is cheating, why are other things considered acceptable? Why is Gaylord Perry in the Hall of Fame when, by his own admission, he cheated to get an edge and avoid an early end to what would have otherwise been a mediocre career. (If I remember correctly, he first used the spitter in the 23 inning game against the Mets at Shea in 1964.) When was the last time you heard of a player/coach/manager get suspended for stealing signs? Finally, what about (here we go) AA Public Enemy # 1, aka Shane Victorino? When he tripped Reyes and got away with it, I know everybody yelled “cheater.” But let’s be honest with ourselves. Wasn’t this just as much an instance of trying to get an edge as anything else? Sorry if it offends anyone, but my gut tells me that if Bobby Valentine were his manager, he (bobby) would be going on and on about what a great play that was.

by StorkFan on Nov 1, 2009 9:10 PM EST reply actions   0 recs

I think your thoughts on steroids are consistent both with this post

and with the opinions of many in the AA community. Also, Victorino has a rectum face.

by James Kannengieser on Nov 1, 2009 10:16 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

I agree with most of your point.

I don’t think steroids are better or worse than spitters, stealing signs, etc. But here’s where I differ. I don’t think it’s “ok” to take steroids. Honestly, if it was up to me, no one would do any of these things, keep the game as focused on talent as possible. However, when I see a guy who did steroids, I don’t think, “Oh, that guy should be suspended/kept out of the hall of fame/asterisked”. Fans and the media need to recognize that like it or not, it’s part of the games history. That said, I think it’s perfectly ok to dislike the fact that a player took steroids. Fact is, it IS cheating. You can’t say that it isn’t. But if you’re completely honest with yourself, you realize that the entire history of baseball is filled with cheating. One of the most iconic baseball stories I know (Dizzy Dean being beaned in the head during a DP attempt in the WS) is blatant cheating at its finest. But again, I think looking down a little bit on an A-Rod, Manny, or a Bonds is not unreasonable…as long as you also realize that many of these players were still great, and that their accomplishments are still largely their own. Overall, it’s not a case-by-case basis where you can discriminate and keep players out of baseball because it’s only a symptom of what had largely been a part of the drug culture baseball for decades, which was only another example of questionable ethics in the sport.

As for Victorino…there’s a difference between enhancing your OWN performance and breaking the rules to change a scenario to potentially hurt another player. And after all, it’s not like that’s the only time he’d done anything like that. If that was the only time, fine. But when that’s barely Top 5 in his personal douchebag moments which includes questioning balls and strikes FROM CENTER FIELD, and his wikipedia page says this… you know he’s a douchebag.

"I dunno. I never smoked any Astroturf"
-Tug McGraw

by squid92 on Nov 1, 2009 10:28 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

I didn't know Shane was an Eagle Scout

Have that in common with the guy, props to that. Not an easy accomplishment , I now respect him about 3 cents more than before.

by James Kannengieser on Nov 1, 2009 11:58 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

when I linked, it said, "He's also a douchebag"

which i thought was funny, considering it had been up for several days. Must’ve been a Yankee fan.

"I dunno. I never smoked any Astroturf"
-Tug McGraw

by squid92 on Nov 2, 2009 10:11 AM EST up reply actions   0 recs

From the article:
He is a switch-hitter

I’ll bet he is.

Official ledge-talker-offer of the Buffalo Bills.

by WhyBillsWhy on Nov 2, 2009 2:30 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

I've said it before and I'll say it again

on one level I have no problem with guys doing steroids, or at least no more problem than with guys who throw spitters or cork their bats. I’m fervently pro-legalization of drugs on a national, political level, and I think it’d be pretty inconsistent of me to demonize these guys who were doing things that I don’t think should be illegal.

On the other hand, as a baseball fan and a student of the history of the game, it does bother me that we’re never going to know the proper way to contextualize the numbers that were put up during the 90’s and 00’s (and even today – anyone who thinks steroids will ever be completely gone from baseball is more naive than a school-girl). I’m not even concerned with things like how 73* effects Maris or Ruth – I look at the past two decades as the polar opposite of the dead ball era, where a lot of numbers need to be taken with a huge grain of salt (and things like juiced balls, smaller parks, expansion, increased bullpen usage, lighter bats, etc. contributed to that just as much if not way more than steroids). My problem is actually how we compare the players who played in this era against one another. This isn’t like the dead ball era, where all of the pitchers had the same advantages – hypothetically speaking, if Ken Griffey Jr. never used steroids, how does he compare to Barry Bonds? Is Griffey’s career that much more impressive b/c he did it clean in an era where juicers were prevalent, or did the steroids really just not have much of an impact. And, of course, in the back of everybody’s mind will forever be the question of whether Griffey used ’roids (replace Griffey with Maddux and Bonds with Clemens if you prefer).

So anyway, that’s my problem with this era. But, I always like Big Mac and I’m glad he’s getting a second chance in the game. I hope he makes it to Cooperstown someday, b/c taking my kids to a hall of fame without one of the best players of my youth would be almost as dumb as my dad taking me to a hall of fame that didn’t have the all-time hits leader. Wait…never mind.

"[The Giants] beat us down. We were beat by a grown-man team, a team we want to be like one day. They came in here and took it to us. Out-manned us, out-gunned us. ... It wasn't even close." - Raheem Morris, 9/27/09

by cjmulrain on Nov 2, 2009 12:23 AM EST reply actions   1 recs

Great point on the inconsistency of the numbers. I never thought about it that way. Rec’d.

As for Rose, well, baby steps.

Official ledge-talker-offer of the Buffalo Bills.

by WhyBillsWhy on Nov 2, 2009 2:34 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

Also, Jeff Pearlman is a colossal douche

I’ve hated him ever since he ripped on our mutual alma mater (Delaware) for being “racist” for not playing an in-state rival (historicall black Del. St.) in football, ignoring the fact that they play each other every year in every other sport & that the game he thought proved the racism (against D-II Westchester) was on the schedule every year b/c it was the UD’s president’s alma mater. Once the president retired, Del. St. got added to the schedule. Oh, and UD has destroyed Del St. both times they’ve played.

"[The Giants] beat us down. We were beat by a grown-man team, a team we want to be like one day. They came in here and took it to us. Out-manned us, out-gunned us. ... It wasn't even close." - Raheem Morris, 9/27/09

by cjmulrain on Nov 2, 2009 12:29 AM EST reply actions   0 recs


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