Meaningful Announcements From The Mets' Press Conference Today

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I could live with Minaya, operating on the assumption that he’s been undermined and second-guessed from above.

but Manuel has no redeeming qualities, and neither does Dan Warthen.

-Ceetar, the Optimistic Mets Fan

by Ceetar on Oct 5, 2009 12:18 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs

Yea that's what we need!

Instead of an incompetent GM, an incompetent GM with no authority! The Phillies quake with fear! Seriously, you think it should be the Wilpons’ jobs to decide whether his baseball moves are good ideas?

King of the bling come to lay down the evidence//Not George Bush, L-Millz be da president

by Sam Page on Oct 5, 2009 12:22 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs

In the Jeff Wilpon/Chris Carlin interview right after the press conference,

Carlin asked where does Jeff stand regarding the keep the core or break up the core. Jeff stated that this is Omar’s decision but he would like to keep the core and would like to add complimentary players. (This sounds good.) But the Jeff continues that these complimentary players should be “gritty,” they should be willing to get their uniforms dirty and they sould be able to connect to the NY fans. Yeah, I don’t really want the Wilpons making baseball moves.

The best thing Jeff said, imo, during the press conference was when he was asked that wouldn’t payroll “have to be reduced due to reduced revenue.” Wilpon replied that revenue isn’t necessarily reduced since if they put a good team on the field and win the fans and revenue will come back. It’s a simple concept but at least Wilpon doesn’t take the Loria stance on the payroll/fan relationship.

by Sokojoe on Oct 5, 2009 12:39 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs

True grit.

by fxcarden on Oct 5, 2009 1:41 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs

fail

his clothes aren’t muddy

"[The Giants] beat us down. We were beat by a grown-man team, a team we want to be like one day. They came in here and took it to us. Out-manned us, out-gunned us. ... It wasn't even close." - Raheem Morris, 9/27/09

by cjmulrain on Oct 5, 2009 2:00 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs

yeah, but look at the helmet.

it has grit smeared all over it.

by fxcarden on Oct 5, 2009 2:01 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs

ah, true

he doesn’t even dive with his body, he just dives head first. I like it.

by cjmulrain on Oct 5, 2009 2:03 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs

I'm just trying to imagine

Eckstein diving into home like a top, not getting his uniform dirty and only getting dirt on his helmet. All of these scenarios end with him suffering a broken neck.

"I dunno. I never smoked any Astroturf"
-Tug McGraw

by squid92 on Oct 5, 2009 4:14 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs

competence is false hustle

by Bieser's Balk on Oct 5, 2009 12:47 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs

Pointless

This is going to be a painful offseason, followed by an equally painful season. Looking forward to winning 85 games or so, attrributing the increased win total to a full season of Francoeur and Cora, then coming to the conclusion this proves the Mets can’t win with Wright/Reyes leading the way.

by Bieser's Balk on Oct 5, 2009 12:42 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs

Meaningful interviews in October.

Yeah, baby !

by fxcarden on Oct 5, 2009 12:57 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs

The question this offseason

It isn’t going to be how good or bad the offseason is. It’s going to be how much long term damage does this offseason do to the organization. It’s possible, but not probable, that Minaya sells low on one of the core players because the perception is they can’t win with them. That would be bad. More likely though is the probability that Minaya will sign mediocre, high risk players to albatross like contracts. Doing this would pretty much ensure a return to abyss of the early 90’s and necessitate a major rebuilding process after Minaya gets fired.

At this point the best I’m hoping for is that they do go out and sign “gritty” complimentary players to cheap short term contracts. At least they can be easily written off when the players inevitably fail and Minaya is finally fired.

by Reg Dunlop on Oct 5, 2009 12:58 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs

Meaningful Announcements:

There are none.

"I dunno. I never smoked any Astroturf"
-Tug McGraw

by squid92 on Oct 5, 2009 1:12 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs

ohhhhhhhh

i get it

by gbaked on Oct 5, 2009 1:18 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs

I see what you did there.

Clever.

If there's ever a riot at Citi Field and Oliver Perez was the starter, I started the riot.

by meigs1414 on Oct 5, 2009 1:24 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs

Not what I really wanted to hear but not all bad

It would have been better to hear Jeff Say that he would like to add to the core, instead of adding complimentary players. I am glad that he is giving Omar a flexible budget.

by Coolpapabell on Oct 5, 2009 1:24 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs

i think omar would make an excellent

third base coach, now that the position is open.

I.M. Forme
"When you get yourself into trouble is when you feel you have to do something, and then you get yourself in trouble." --Omar Minaya

by itsmetsforme on Oct 5, 2009 1:32 PM EDT reply actions 3 recs

LOL

Rec’d

by fxcarden on Oct 5, 2009 1:42 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs

Yes

But would Omar make a good third base coach of Life?

by mnbv on Oct 5, 2009 4:03 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs

Injuries

Wilpon said the team will change their medical protocols to help limit injury, and he will personally see to it that the team does a better job communicating injuries to the media.

Wilpon noted many of the team’s injuries were suffered on the road, where teams typically rely on the opposing team’s medical staff.

It would be easy to jump to conclusions and say he blames other team’s staffs for the injuries. It might be naive of me to say that the other team’s doctors don’t know the players medical history nor follow the players daily like the Mets staff. So, as part of the new protocol, the Mets medical staff will follow the team on the road. I don’t have the full transcript, so I don’t know what was the question or in what context he was saying that.

by Michkin on Oct 5, 2009 1:54 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs

I think

that could only be a good thing

by deadspy3 on Oct 5, 2009 1:58 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs

Yeah, but ....

if another team’s medical staff says something like….. " it’s a calf strain ", and the player in question is your allstar shortstop who relies on his legs for 90% of his game, you may want to question that diagnosis as a matter of procedure, and have YOUR doctors verify it. Not doing that is, at a minimum, negligent.

by fxcarden on Oct 5, 2009 1:58 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs

Rec'd.

"I dunno. I never smoked any Astroturf"
-Tug McGraw

by squid92 on Oct 5, 2009 4:15 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs

this is so depressing

are we sure the Wilpons aren’t also in charge of Chrysler, Lehman Brothers, and the post-invasion strategy for Iraq?

by cjmulrain on Oct 5, 2009 1:59 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs

don't forget GM and Afghanistan

by fxcarden on Oct 5, 2009 2:01 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs

actually

I think Daniel Snyder was in charge of those. Gotta give other terrible owners some credit

by cjmulrain on Oct 5, 2009 2:02 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs

I think Donald Sterling is in charge of Niger

Yeah, it’s fun to share the blame.

"He's definitely mixing it into his repertoire. That's French for 'repertoire' " - Keith Hernandez

by Catsmeat Potter-Pirbright on Oct 5, 2009 2:09 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs

Nyjer Morgan?

by JoshNY on Oct 5, 2009 2:15 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs

No, no

Tony Plush.

"He's definitely mixing it into his repertoire. That's French for 'repertoire' " - Keith Hernandez

by Catsmeat Potter-Pirbright on Oct 5, 2009 4:07 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs

hmm

How sweet it is to love the Mets and Redskins? Fuck you!

ain't had enough...

by BlackOps on Oct 5, 2009 3:29 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs

Jeff and Omar going on tour....

Just heard….Jeff and Omar will make a live, joint appearance, IN STUDIO, with Mike Francesa today at 5:00 PM EST.

You can see it in all its glory on YES, or listen on WFAN.COM.

My commute home today should be a hoot.

by fxcarden on Oct 5, 2009 2:57 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs

Francessa sucks

but hopefully he lays the hammer on them

by cjmulrain on Oct 5, 2009 2:58 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs

You like Francaw?

He’s a gamuh? You think he’s a gamuh?

by Bieser's Balk on Oct 5, 2009 3:01 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs

Well, Jeff did say that he wants more "gritty" playahs

in the Francooah, mold.

really…..he told Carlin that live on the air.

by fxcarden on Oct 5, 2009 3:03 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs

the only thing scarier than minaya picking players

is wilpon picking players

by Bieser's Balk on Oct 5, 2009 3:53 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs

To be fair...

I’ve actually stated listening to Francesca a bit lately, because he in general seems to be making good, critical yet not overboard analyses of the Mets. He shuts down callers who say, “Daniel Murphy may not have hit 15 HRs, but he leads the team in grit” (actual quote, by the way), and realizes that Jerry and Omar have to go. He still doesn’t understand that we have a farm, and thinks Francouer is actually a good baseball player, but he’s at least tolerable lately.

"I dunno. I never smoked any Astroturf"
-Tug McGraw

by squid92 on Oct 5, 2009 4:17 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs

agreed

by fxcarden on Oct 5, 2009 5:07 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs

in the meantime, Dog is failing miserably on Sirius

he fired his producer on air

by fxcarden on Oct 5, 2009 5:07 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs

"Daniel Murphy may not have hit 15 HRs, but he leads the team in grit"

that’s preposterous. Francoeur overtook Murphy in that category back in August

by Bieser's Balk on Oct 5, 2009 5:39 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs

fangraphs hasn't updated yet, though

It’s an easy mistake

King of the bling come to lay down the evidence//Not George Bush, L-Millz be da president

by Sam Page on Oct 5, 2009 10:58 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs

Maybe Francessa is going to be the Mets' new third base coach

And Omar and Jeffy want to be there in person for the announcement.

Alternatively, maybe Francessa is going to be the Mets’ newly-created Assistant GM for Grission. He will tell Omar what players have it, and then Omar will be obliged to sign or trade for those players.

"He's definitely mixing it into his repertoire. That's French for 'repertoire' " - Keith Hernandez

by Catsmeat Potter-Pirbright on Oct 5, 2009 3:05 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs

You know I actually think

fatso would make a decent assistant GM.

by fxcarden on Oct 5, 2009 3:06 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs

Not so sure about that, myself

I’m thinking his first recommendation would be for the Mets to pick up Jeter. Y’know, because he’s a leader and a captain and a winner and whatnot.

"He's definitely mixing it into his repertoire. That's French for 'repertoire' " - Keith Hernandez

by Catsmeat Potter-Pirbright on Oct 5, 2009 3:21 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs

Nah, I think he would be even keeled about it

most of the time, except in interleague or if the team he worked for faced the Yanks.

then he would lobby for loss.

by fxcarden on Oct 5, 2009 3:28 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs

I'm sure he'd be even-keeled;

I just assume he’d be terrible.

"He's definitely mixing it into his repertoire. That's French for 'repertoire' " - Keith Hernandez

by Catsmeat Potter-Pirbright on Oct 5, 2009 3:31 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs

And he would have traded Reyes last season

"We must win and we must know how to win rather than win because we have statistical people."

by Evan_S on Oct 5, 2009 3:28 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs

yeah just think,

then the other team would have had an injured player.

just kidding.

by fxcarden on Oct 5, 2009 3:29 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs

Wilpon just said on the air

that the Mets payroll will not be reduced from 2009’s so that’s kinda nice.

by TheBigStapler on Oct 5, 2009 5:45 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs

Also, it was mentioned that there are no revenue concerns, and that is why they were able to drop prices.

by fxcarden on Oct 5, 2009 5:52 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs

Mike really put the screws to Jeff and Omar regarding Murphy....

Mike: What is it that Murphy does well ?

Omar: um….we’ll he’s improving.

Jeff is in the background with a big smirk on his face.

Omar is totally out gunned by Mike.

by fxcarden on Oct 5, 2009 5:59 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs

Omar would be totally outgunned by an empty soggy cardboard box.

I love how they announce that 2009 was “unacceptable”, but the solution is to come back in 2010 with the same owner, GM, manager, bench coaches, and 40 man roster.

Mets slogan: “If it don’t work, don’t fix it.”

Listening to those two asshats (Wilpon and Omar) makes me want to throw up.

Every sports franchise takes on a the persona of its ownership. Good franchises have good owners. It’s almost impossible for dysfunctional moron-level ownership to produce a championship.

Someone earlier mentioned Daniel Snyder, and that is the perfect analogy to Wilpon. Fools with too much money who run franchises that are the laughingstocks of their respective sports.

I firmly believe that it’s almost impossible for us to win a title with Wilpon at the helm.

by Mex_17 on Oct 5, 2009 8:46 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs

Via Metsblog:

“Wilpon feels the team has ‘two or three holes,’ "…

So that’s Omar, Wilpon…who’s the third?

by Mex_17 on Oct 5, 2009 7:31 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs

the third hole is the 25-man roster

by JoshNY on Oct 5, 2009 8:08 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs

More laughable BS from Omar...

Minaya likened Murphy to Boston’s situation with Kevin Youklis from a few seasons ago, saying: "He was not the big, productive hitter that he is early on.."

=====

Wow! Murphy is the same as Youkilis! I didn’t know that before Omar told me, I learned something today.

I bet Ollie is the same as Zack Greinke. They are both in the Homo Sapiens species.

And Pagan is like Pujols, both NL players with last names beginning with P.

We have the WS clinched in 2010.

by Mex_17 on Oct 5, 2009 8:35 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs

actually he likened Perez to Verlander having an off year last year

saying pitchers are so different from one year to the next. Difference is Verlander was actually good before 08’

by Rigsay on Oct 5, 2009 11:03 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs

that comparison

might have actually been the dumbest thing i ever heard and if omar has a single defender out there, he shouldn’t any more.

the fact our GM is basing his offseason strategy on the theory that pitching is “hot and cold” and Ollie may bounce back because an absolute stud like Verlander — a former No. 2 overall pick who had 3 great years before one fluky bad one — did just makes me shake my head and weep silently.

i know he cant throw him under the bus, but just say “he’ll be healthy, he pressed b/c of the contract…”

by Bieser's Balk on Oct 5, 2009 11:51 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs

I used to think Omar gave cookie cutter politician answers

now hes just pathetic and unconvincing.

As much as I hate Fatcessa, I gotta give it to the fat guy. He pressed them about Murphy and Omar basically had nothing to say other than that he’s improving.

Franny’s point that ALL these guys will be back next year gives them little room to improve other than LF and maybe 1B. pretty scary bleak stuff

by Rigsay on Oct 6, 2009 12:10 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs

haha seriously

im just listening to the whole thing now. it’s scary. i dont think its going to be pretty. you get the sense omar is so intent on saving his job next year it’s all about the short-term “fix.”

my favorite omar-ism is how he uses words like “nucleus” and “reconstruct” that francesa used in his questions, as if its the first time omars heard the word and he wants to try it out.

by Bieser's Balk on Oct 6, 2009 12:12 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs

the one good thing about that though

is that he probably won’t do something dumb like blow up the core to rebuild, since he won’t be around for the rebuild if he does. I have 0 confidence that he will make any good moves this offseason, but hopefully he can’t make any mind-blowingly bad ones either.

by cjmulrain on Oct 6, 2009 12:33 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs