Murphy has 2nd best UZR in N.L.
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That does make me feel a little better.
p.s. Adam Dunn’s bad defense is legendary.
by TheBigStapler on Oct 6, 2009 1:16 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
and I have to say I am impressed with the graphic
Ishikawa can cover from the dugout to second base all by himself.
I lobby for Ishikawa so we can dump Castillo and Murphy.
by fxcarden on Oct 6, 2009 1:23 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
i like the mental image of
Ishikawa chilling in the dugout with his glove and very casually sticking his arm out Inspector Gadget-style and snagging balls in the hole.
by Bieser's Balk on Oct 6, 2009 3:55 PM EDT up reply actions 3 recs
I think this complements what we've seen with our eyes
Both at 1B and LF. Murphy is a guy with decent reaction time and range but is not especially surehanded.
We can hope, though, that a lot of his miscues were because he was a rookie and was forced into positions he rarely played in the minors.
by TheBigStapler on Oct 6, 2009 1:31 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
I think his range is a result of very good reaction time.
that much is true.
by fxcarden on Oct 6, 2009 1:34 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I agree.
When Murphy first made the switch from outfield to 1B, I was impressed with his ability to get to groundballs to his right, not so much with his ability to go after balls to his right that should be Castillo’s.
That being said, I think Murphy could improve on being more surehanded with a full Winterball/Spring training at first.
by DC4Three on Oct 6, 2009 1:42 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
10 errors at first base.
My memory tells me that most of these errors are from his aggressive throws. Can anyone remember any other errors (booted groundball, dropped pop up, missed David Wright’s throw, etc.)
by DC4Three on Oct 6, 2009 1:47 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
It also seems that for every error, there was a stunning play. For all the booted balls or dropped pop ups, Murphy made some over the shoulder grabs or laid out to grab throws.
by TheBigStapler on Oct 6, 2009 1:58 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I think a couple of errors went something like this...
spectacular dive to left or right to grab shot, then, bad throw to person covering first.
Also, some if them were of the sweep-pick variety where the ball jumped high in the air afterward ( there was a game that ended with such an error ).
by fxcarden on Oct 6, 2009 2:11 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Dunn
Methinks it is time for him to move to the AL where he can DH. (Although I hear his range around the buffet table is amazing.)
by dcmetsfan on Oct 6, 2009 2:54 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
He may have a -20 UZR but he’s got a +10 KFC.
by TheBigStapler on Oct 6, 2009 3:17 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
needless to say, his KFC trailed only Livan
by JoshNY on Oct 6, 2009 6:11 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I saw Livan
from behind in DC. He has one giant ass.
by deadspy3 on Oct 6, 2009 6:12 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
You're such a fat fuck, Livan
that when you walk down the street, people go, “GOD DAMMIT, THAT GUY’S A BIG FAT FUCK.”
by JoshNY on Oct 6, 2009 6:15 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Best KFC/150 rating of all-time
Walter Young had a +58.4 KFC/150 in his brief stint.
If memory serves correctly, I believe Jonathan Broxton has the highest KFC/150 rating right now (45.4 KFC/150) followed by C.C. Sabathia (42.9 KFC/150)
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by sj10689 on Oct 7, 2009 2:08 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
what would Luther Vandross' KFC/150 be if he played baseball I wonder
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by blueandorange4life on Oct 7, 2009 10:40 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Holy crap, is that a typo?
How can you play baseball at that weight? Even at first, you need some mobility. According to FanGraphs, he somehow stole 4 bases (in 10 attempts) in AA ball in ’06.
by BobbyV_Incognito on Oct 7, 2009 6:20 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
According to this chart
he is literally a defensive black hole
by deadspy3 on Oct 6, 2009 3:22 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
+1
"We're investigating the investigative procedure of the investigation of Tony Bernazard"---Omar Minaya (he really didn't say it but he would"
by firejerrynow on Oct 6, 2009 3:26 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
his range to his right is so poor
that actually goes to the left instead
by JoshNY on Oct 6, 2009 6:12 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
He is a replacement lever player in the NL
35 runs batting/-35 runs with the glove.
by LCT on Oct 6, 2009 3:35 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Yeah, but
those numbers are both relative to average, not replacement level. He was 1.2 WAR for the season
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by Lefti on Oct 6, 2009 6:00 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Notice how Mike says the Mets "brain trust"
is that applicable to the Mets?
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by firejerrynow on Oct 6, 2009 3:32 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
is it fair to say
that Murphy is one of the better fielding 1b in the game then? or is this simply a measure of range?
by gbaked on Oct 6, 2009 3:39 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
It's UZR
so it takes all components
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by firejerrynow on Oct 6, 2009 3:56 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Hmm
I was under the impression that Murphy was the SUxX0R and was unfit to even pump gas, let alone play professional baseball. I suppose this chart is simply proof that advanced statistical analysis is worthless.
/fake rant
In seriousness, I was impressed generally with his play at first base although he obviously has room to improve little elements of the position, like playing the line or not killing the second baseman when trying to make a play.
"He's definitely mixing it into his repertoire. That's French for 'repertoire' " - Keith Hernandez
by Catsmeat Potter-Pirbright on Oct 6, 2009 3:58 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Yeah, he's good defensively at first, it would seem.
Too bad that’s offset by being worse than bad offensively for a first baseman.
"I dunno. I never smoked any Astroturf"
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by squid92 on Oct 6, 2009 4:05 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
he was worth .5 WAR
which is good money value for his contract
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by firejerrynow on Oct 6, 2009 4:12 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Sure.
But that doesn’t mean he should start, let alone for a contending team.
"I dunno. I never smoked any Astroturf"
-Tug McGraw
by squid92 on Oct 6, 2009 4:33 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
what if he can improve on his WAR in the coming years
he is still very young and the sample size is small. He was under terribile pressure defensively and because of the injuries the first 50-60% of the season. The Murphy we saw from July on can start on a contending team.
by Endys Game on Oct 6, 2009 4:51 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
ok, but we can't count on that.
"I dunno. I never smoked any Astroturf"
-Tug McGraw
by squid92 on Oct 6, 2009 5:03 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
fair enough
but I’m not convinced the other options available are any better. The two that I here most are Johnson and LaRoche. LaRoche has a better bat but a worse glove, at least by UZR, and Johnson is injury-prone. No one else really jumps out at me. Besides, Murph only needs to hold down the fort until Ike Davis is ready. Jerry could also platoon him with Evans, although I doubt we’ll see that anytime soon. I’m withholding judgment until i see how he does this winter/spring
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by blueandorange4life on Oct 7, 2009 10:45 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
If Murphy winds up getting traded for a pitcher.
I would rather sign Nick Johnson as the placeholder for Ike Davis. He’s perfect. .400 OBP and he’s sure to get hurt in time to call up Ike Davis.
by DC4Three on Oct 7, 2009 1:40 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Sample size - some possible good news/MORE STUFF
While small sample size more often than not makes a player look better than what they really are, what if a small sample size hides the fact that they are actually better than what they have showed, and perhaps, more playing time is needed to prove that?
Just saying. Given everything, I’m fine with Daniel Murphy at 1B. Save the money for other higher-priority positions, like LF and SP. Mike Franticesa is delusional on this – he said that we need to target power players NOW. NOT NECESSARILY! We can’t partition off our farm system and ALL our dollars! The team must practice delayed gratification over instant gratification! Why settle for just making it to the NLDS in 2010 when we can go as far as the WS in 2011 and beyond!? Jump too high, and you have nowhere to go but down. But, take small steps, and this team will eventually take a ride down Lake Champagne up in the mountains.
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by sj10689 on Oct 7, 2009 2:24 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
hopefully
"I dunno. I never smoked any Astroturf"
-Tug McGraw
by squid92 on Oct 6, 2009 5:03 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
if we upgrade offense elsewhere
we can afford Murphy at first base. There are no other obviously better solutions.
by Endys Game on Oct 6, 2009 5:35 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
or Mike Carp.
Wait…crap.
"I dunno. I never smoked any Astroturf"
-Tug McGraw
by squid92 on Oct 6, 2009 7:21 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
someones gotta space fill until davis is ready
murph is fine with me
by KeithsMoustache on Oct 6, 2009 7:43 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
That kind of depends on Davis IMO
Are we thinking he’ll be ready to make the jump to the majors by mid next season? Or are we thinking he needs the whole year at AAA.
If its the latter, I’d say signing a relatively cheap one year stop gap isn’t a bad idea (no more than say 5-6mil).
by Balagast on Oct 7, 2009 2:47 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Why not save the $5 - $6 mil on the stop gap.
And just use Murphy instead? Unless of course he is traded.
by DC4Three on Oct 7, 2009 3:09 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
That's fine.
AS LONG AS THE MONEY IS SPENT ON SOMETHING ELSE GOOD.
"I dunno. I never smoked any Astroturf"
-Tug McGraw
by squid92 on Oct 7, 2009 10:35 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
LOL. Spending money on something good.
What team do you root for again?
by DC4Three on Oct 8, 2009 5:00 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Haha, true.
And it’s becoming more and more clear that the Mets ARE willing to spend good money this year. So IDK, if we have enough money to get a cheap catcher, bench bat(s), left fielder, and 1-2 SPs, then we should sign someone for 1B if we can afford it. But out of all of those choices, I’m willing to live with Murphy at 1B the most, if only because I’m confident that Davis is going to be at least an average first baseman.
"I dunno. I never smoked any Astroturf"
-Tug McGraw
by squid92 on Oct 8, 2009 6:49 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Even if Davis doesn't work out
Murphy bats third.
That’s gotta count for something.
by fxcarden on Oct 8, 2009 8:09 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Murphy can bat third all he wants in the #7 spot of the lineup.
"I dunno. I never smoked any Astroturf"
-Tug McGraw
by squid92 on Oct 8, 2009 9:08 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Two thoughts
1) Clearly it’s a small sample size. Not only is it based on 100 games, but even one season’s amount of data is small when we’re talking defense.
2) Is he benefitting from Shea? Murphy’s UZR ratings this season are based on Shea’s specifications and not Citi Field’s. I don’t expect a huge swing in the UZR/150 for Murph, but I wonder how much he’s benefitting from Shea.
by MatthewA on Oct 6, 2009 4:29 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
I'm genuinely curious, so this isn't sarcastic
how much of an effect can different fields have on infielders UZR? It’s not like the outfield where the dimensions are completely different. I mean, I guess the foul territory is different now, but the infield should still be pretty much the same everywhere, no?
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by cjmulrain on Oct 6, 2009 4:32 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I always remember hearing
that shea had one of the worst infields out there. As far as the quality of the dirt goes…
IDK if UZR takes things like that into consideration.
by gbaked on Oct 6, 2009 4:35 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
also the amount of foul territory is way down in Citi compared to Shea
wonder how much of an impact that has.
by KeithsMoustache on Oct 6, 2009 5:00 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
The dirt? I don't think so.
How do you assign a value to the quality Shea dirt to take it into consideration? I would be very surprised.
by DC4Three on Oct 6, 2009 5:10 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
boom
Deacon of the Mets suggested that grounds managers carefully test the materials that they use on their infields. “We test our dirt every year. We want to know what our infield mix is,” he said. “You’re paying good money for that material.”
Deacon said some of the material that had been used on the Shea Stadium infield (the Mets are moving into their new Citi Field in April) created problems. “We spent three years picking rocks because they kept working their way up,” said Deacon.
but what I mean is if guys make more errors on an certain infield then UZR takes that into consideration. Not naming the cause (bad dirt, bad lip of grass, way the sun comes into the field, voodoo) but more the effect. I am more stating that I have no Idea what UZR takes into consideration for ballpark factors concerning the infield.
by gbaked on Oct 6, 2009 5:45 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
A question...
what is the UZR of players playing on the grass of the stadiums in Minnesota, Toronto and Tampa Bay, in domed conditions?
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by sj10689 on Oct 7, 2009 2:31 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Well, I know one thing
The Mets Vice President of Grass and Dirt Management* is a far more productive role-player in the organization than many of the higher-ups.
* Not an actual position. This should tell you a lot about some of those higher-ups.
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by sj10689 on Oct 7, 2009 2:48 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Yeah, you heard that from Derek Jeter during the 2000 series
because we all know his dirt don’t stink.
by fxcarden on Oct 6, 2009 5:23 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Yeah, I agree
I don’t see why a change to Citi would significantly impact defense stats for infielders.
by James Kannengieser on Oct 6, 2009 7:26 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
For what it's worth
Murphy had the top +/- of any first baseman in the league with +14, tied with Pujols and Youkilis. That’s from the video scouts at Baseball Info Solutions, via BillJamesOnline.net.
by TedBerg on Oct 6, 2009 5:13 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
also good to know.
"I dunno. I never smoked any Astroturf"
-Tug McGraw
by squid92 on Oct 6, 2009 5:21 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Oh, that's worth plenty
If you want to argue against Bill James, who is practically the Johnnie Cochran of the baseball world, best of luck to you.
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by sj10689 on Oct 7, 2009 2:36 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
So....
how good defensively would Murph have to be to be as valuable overall as, ooh, say, Carlos Delgado, while putting up a line of .270/.340/.460? Completely hypothetical 2010 fun and games.
by deadspy3 on Oct 6, 2009 5:31 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Its very logical
He’s a young athletic guy, average 1B is an old slugger. I still think he will be able to produce to be a very valuable player going forward (something like 5+UZR/150 at 1B and a .280/.350/.450 off. line) for cheap
by viktor06 on Oct 6, 2009 5:53 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Cheap is the key.
If Murphy and a handful of other Mets prospects prove to be valuable to play on a championship club, then that makes the FO job easier to fill in the rest of the holes on the team FA and trades. But as we have seen, although the Mets have had one of the highest payrolls in the National League for years, the money is spent inefficiently. The Mets have tried to fill EVERY hole with free agency or trades because of the ny media/fans/little brother complex with the Yankees.
Unfortunately, Omar would really like to keep his job so expect more free agents and trades in an attempt to win it all in 2010, at the expense of having a team that can win consistently after 2011.
by DC4Three on Oct 6, 2009 6:06 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
But obv, thats no fault of Murphy
I agree with you though, they need to evaluate FA signings much better
by viktor06 on Oct 6, 2009 6:38 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
The Florida Marlins
The Mets can earn plenty from Jeffrey Loria and the Marlins organization, whose payroll/win efficiency is so high, that they would be even more efficient than the Yankees winning 163 games this year. I hear “cha-ching!”
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by sj10689 on Oct 7, 2009 2:40 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Define very valuable
because .280/.350/.450 for my starting first baseman is generally not it.
"I dunno. I never smoked any Astroturf"
-Tug McGraw
by squid92 on Oct 6, 2009 7:22 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
well what would .280/.350/.450 be in wRAA?
"We're investigating the investigative procedure of the investigation of Tony Bernazard"---Omar Minaya (he really didn't say it but he would"
by firejerrynow on Oct 7, 2009 6:58 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I like Murph at first
he played pretty well, but this makes me again suspicious of UZR. For example, where the hell was he on that grounder down the line in Atlanta! His UZR should have taken a 9 point hit on that play. He was positioned 9 inches from the base line and the ball still got by him. That was poor range.
I still like Murph’s bat a lot more if he’s playing 2nd. If his range is this good according to UZR, it should still be okay at 2nd. We know his arm is okay and his glove is alright. All he needs to is get used to turning two, and he could give Castillo days off at 2nd, and occasionally play some 1st. This should be his role.
by David G on Oct 6, 2009 6:37 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
ummm, what kind of cutoff are you using?
I can’t figure it out, since neither Travis nor Daniel meet the Qualified Only cutoff, but there are many more players in the All Players listing.
by gabefarkas on Oct 7, 2009 1:11 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Correct he is not on the Qualified Only cutoff.
The graph itself was created by Justin Bopp from beyond the boxscrore. Here’s the link.
by DC4Three on Oct 7, 2009 1:36 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I'm an idiot
It says right there on the pretty picture “minimum 400 inn.” D’oh!
by gabefarkas on Oct 7, 2009 2:00 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
we have to give up on Murphy playing 2nd
it isn’t going to happen no matter how much we think it might make sense. I think that the guy skipped triple A, was pulled around three different postions, was involved in several high profile screwups, had a bad slump and still had a positive value for the season at the tender young age of 23. I am not giving up on Murphy at first. If Albert Puljos was the other option fine. Or Justin Morneau. But they aren’t. And I don’t understand how Murphy has(in some people’s eyes) become the scapegoat or poster boy for this failed season.
by Endys Game on Oct 7, 2009 1:34 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
one more thing
my scapegoat comment was not directed at anyone here. More like certain commentators on a certain radio station I like to call WFAIL.
by Endys Game on Oct 7, 2009 1:36 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Murphy himself is not the scapegoat.
what the FO did with him, is.
by fxcarden on Oct 7, 2009 5:10 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
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