Mets Get Chris Carter, Eddie Lora From Red Sox For Billy Wagner

by Eric Simon on Oct 7, 2009 5:50 PM EDT

I guess it's official now.

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by fxcarden on Oct 7, 2009 5:57 PM EDT reply actions

Hmmm

I think that’s a kind of low-to-middling haul

by deadspy3 on Oct 7, 2009 5:59 PM EDT reply actions

God I hope he doesn't reject a Sox arb offer

by Bieser's Balk on Oct 7, 2009 6:06 PM EDT reply actions

meaning what ?.

by fxcarden on Oct 7, 2009 6:35 PM EDT up reply actions

if he rejects it

Depending on his status they will get 1 or 2 draft picks for him.

by RIPShea on Oct 7, 2009 7:49 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions

but not the 7th pick, right ?.

by fxcarden on Oct 7, 2009 7:51 PM EDT up reply actions

No

it’d be picks from the team that signed him

by JoshNY on Oct 7, 2009 8:39 PM EDT up reply actions

but even if he had him

and he rejected our offer of arb. our first round pick is protected cuz we sucked a fattie

by RIPShea on Oct 7, 2009 9:05 PM EDT up reply actions

So Carter, Lora, 3.5 million, and a few million not spent on draft picks.

If we use that money to fix the ML roster, I can live with this. Shitty haul if we go into cost cutting mode.

"We're just as bad as the old Mets, but this time nobody's laughing"
-Dallas Green

by Stephen Schmidt on Oct 7, 2009 6:15 PM EDT reply actions

What does a "a few million not spent on draft picks"

have to do with this trade?

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by Sam Page on Oct 7, 2009 6:17 PM EDT up reply actions

I think he's referring to the extra draft picks we won't be getting

if we had offered Wags arbitration

"[The Giants] beat us down. We were beat by a grown-man team, a team we want to be like one day. They came in here and took it to us. Out-manned us, out-gunned us. ... It wasn't even close." - Raheem Morris, 9/27/09

by cjmulrain on Oct 7, 2009 6:25 PM EDT up reply actions

Correct.

A mid to late first rounder and a supplemental pick would have likely cost 2.5 million to sign.

"We're just as bad as the old Mets, but this time nobody's laughing"
-Dallas Green

by Stephen Schmidt on Oct 7, 2009 8:03 PM EDT up reply actions

If Wagner declines arbitration

this trade was a disaster.

King of the bling come to lay down the evidence//Not George Bush, L-Millz be da president

by Sam Page on Oct 7, 2009 8:20 PM EDT up reply actions

Then it will be a disaster.

I’m sure Wagner expects to close for another team.

by DC4Three on Oct 7, 2009 8:24 PM EDT up reply actions

Lora=suck

.287 OPB in GCL. And he’s 20.

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by firejerrynow on Oct 7, 2009 6:46 PM EDT reply actions

34 games, 108 abs in the gulf coast league, with an injured wrist.

It’s way too small a sample size to judge. He had a .455 OBP (15.5 % BB rate) the prior season in th DSL with a slightly larger sample size, which is also too small to reach a judgement. The difference in the two sets of data should at least cause us to look for a larger sample before reaching a conclusion.

"We're just as bad as the old Mets, but this time nobody's laughing"
-Dallas Green

by Stephen Schmidt on Oct 7, 2009 9:08 PM EDT up reply actions

http://www.baseball-reference.com/minors/player.cgi?id=lora--001edd

His walk rate was excellent in 2007 and 2008

"We're just as bad as the old Mets, but this time nobody's laughing"
-Dallas Green

by Stephen Schmidt on Oct 7, 2009 9:10 PM EDT up reply actions

His walk rate was excellent in 2007 and 2008

http://www.baseball-reference.com/minors/player.cgi?id=lora—001edd
Hopefully this works better.

"We're just as bad as the old Mets, but this time nobody's laughing"
-Dallas Green

by Stephen Schmidt on Oct 7, 2009 9:10 PM EDT up reply actions

okay, but he still is 20, and in the GCL.

usually, you should be higher up than that

"We're investigating the investigative procedure of the investigation of Tony Bernazard"---Omar Minaya (he really didn't say it but he would"

by firejerrynow on Oct 8, 2009 6:58 AM EDT up reply actions

The next step is short season A ball,

where most 21 year old college draftees end up. Most other franchises take their time with their latin prospects.

"We're just as bad as the old Mets, but this time nobody's laughing"
-Dallas Green

by Stephen Schmidt on Oct 8, 2009 5:34 PM EDT up reply actions

Seems to me.

That Carter would be more useful as a trade chip to an A.L. team.

by DC4Three on Oct 7, 2009 8:18 PM EDT reply actions

Not to defend the trade or anything.

But what players from the Red Sox would have been a fair trade for a RP coming off Tommy John surgery?

by DC4Three on Oct 7, 2009 8:31 PM EDT reply actions

this is not an exciting way to start the offseason

that said, at least carter will provide some depth in buffalo.

by englishgrey on Oct 7, 2009 8:36 PM EDT reply actions

Fernando's gonna have to cover a lotta ground

If he’s flanked by Carter and Duda. Hopefully Ike can take over a big league role sometime next season and Nieuwenhuis or Duda can move up a level to help out defensively.

"All energy flows according to the whims of the great magnet

What a fool I was to defy him"

-HST

by Mark Himmelstein on Oct 7, 2009 10:31 PM EDT up reply actions

Sorry

Nieuwenhis or Guzman, with Duda taking over 1B for Ike.

"All energy flows according to the whims of the great magnet

What a fool I was to defy him"

-HST

by Mark Himmelstein on Oct 7, 2009 10:32 PM EDT up reply actions

fuck that

"I dunno. I never smoked any Astroturf"
-Tug McGraw

by squid92 on Oct 7, 2009 10:43 PM EDT reply actions

chris carter is a waste

that second X-files movie sucked

by hotspur on Oct 8, 2009 8:59 AM EDT reply actions

2010 Mets

I Want To Believe

by Endys Game on Oct 8, 2009 10:52 AM EDT up reply actions 2 recs

rec'd

by JoshNY on Oct 8, 2009 11:07 AM EDT up reply actions

Ted Berg believes Carter is a good pickup.

Link.

by DC4Three on Oct 8, 2009 11:28 AM EDT reply actions

In a vaccum, sure.

But as our only pickup from Billy Wagner, a Type A free agent who is the most likely player to reject arb? Blahahljdslfjaf

"I dunno. I never smoked any Astroturf"
-Tug McGraw

by squid92 on Oct 8, 2009 12:25 PM EDT up reply actions

So are you advocating that we should have kept Billy and just collected the two first round picks?

Or do you think the Mets got hosed by the Red Sox an should have gotten better players for him. And if so who?

by DC4Three on Oct 8, 2009 2:00 PM EDT up reply actions

Either/or.

We probably weren’t gonna get good value from the Red Sox, but I guess I understand that they wanted to do it to have more control over who they got. But really, Chris Carter and some terrible player? That’s it?

"I dunno. I never smoked any Astroturf"
-Tug McGraw

by squid92 on Oct 8, 2009 6:54 PM EDT up reply actions

Actually

that’s the most compelling case for the actual trade I have seen. I was only moaning the other day about a lack of LHB on the bench, so this is an intriguing possibility. If he can be RF/1B/PH (lefty), spelling Francouer and occasionally Murph, and Nick Evans can be LF/1B/PH (righty), spelling Holliday (please!) and also occasionally Murph, then it might work out rather well.

by deadspy3 on Oct 8, 2009 4:10 PM EDT up reply actions