Poll: Best Part Of Today's NL Playoff Games?

by James Kannengieser on Oct 8, 2009 9:32 PM EDT

Schadenfreude

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Best part of today's NL playoff games?

Shane Victorino making last out of Phillies loss in un-clutch fashion

117 votes

Charlie Manuel's inexplicable bullpen management

31 votes

Matt Holliday's price tag decreasing by $__ million

124 votes

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Victorino

no doubt. And I was just talking to my dad about the Holliday play and we’re both hoping his salary just went down like 5 million a year. It didn’t but we’re hoping!

"We must win and we must know how to win rather than win because we have statistical people."

by Evan_S on Oct 8, 2009 9:34 PM EDT reply actions

I'm going to create two new screen names

So I can vote for all three.

Somehow, a chain of events unfolded that put Steve Phillips in a professional broadcast booth Sunday night so he could rip Carlos Beltran. Try to explain that in any other terms.

by Greenpoint Ian on Oct 8, 2009 9:48 PM EDT reply actions

Holliday will be paid to hit the ball-

not catch it. He’ll still get his millions.

Still, that was ugly; I’ve butchered balls like that in my lifetime, but not since Little League. I always thought Holliday was an adequate major league OF; would he give Adam Dunn a run for his money playing in the wide open spaces of Citi Field?

by madisonmetsfan on Oct 8, 2009 10:10 PM EDT reply actions

Yes because one play defines his overall ability

by Balagast on Oct 8, 2009 10:52 PM EDT up reply actions

Compared to the average left-fielder
-He’s an average fielder in terms of errors (which considering the competition means he’s probably not sure-handed)
-His arm is below average
-His range is well above average. (again this is compared to some pretty slow guys)

The end result is a guy who does an above-average at a position where the bar is set really low but you have to consider that you’re getting better fielding from that pos. than most of the league and that counts just the same.

To sum up, defensively, he’s a very tall midget.

by OlStubbleBeard on Oct 8, 2009 10:54 PM EDT up reply actions

wat

King of the bling come to lay down the evidence//Not George Bush, L-Millz be da president

by Sam Page on Oct 9, 2009 12:53 AM EDT up reply actions

The fact that the Yankees didn't win

by Mount17 on Oct 8, 2009 10:14 PM EDT reply actions

come to think of it

the team I was rooting for won all three games yesterday

by JoshNY on Oct 9, 2009 7:33 AM EDT up reply actions

I didn't Vote for Charlie

But, his usage of the bullpen was high comedy. I can’t wait to listen to the radio weenies in Philly tomorrow rip him a new one.

by Balagast on Oct 8, 2009 10:53 PM EDT reply actions

laugh now

but you know the Mets front office watched that game and said “hey, that Holliday guy looks just like Daniel Murphy in the outfield. We already have Daniel Murphy. Pass”

"[The Giants] beat us down. We were beat by a grown-man team, a team we want to be like one day. They came in here and took it to us. Out-manned us, out-gunned us. ... It wasn't even close." - Raheem Morris, 9/27/09

by cjmulrain on Oct 8, 2009 11:44 PM EDT reply actions

Holliday totally belongs on our team!!

by SuperT on Oct 9, 2009 12:16 AM EDT reply actions

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by nelsonc on Oct 9, 2009 12:31 AM EDT reply actions

Exactly!

someone passed their audition for the Mets left field spot!

I.M. Forme
"When you get yourself into trouble is when you feel you have to do something, and then you get yourself in trouble." --Omar Minaya

by itsmetsforme on Oct 9, 2009 2:48 AM EDT up reply actions

Did he get hit in the nuts?

by TheBigStapler on Oct 9, 2009 11:05 AM EDT up reply actions

it looked like he did

In the postgame interview, he said “stomach”, probably because it sounds better on TV to say that than “nads”.

Somehow, a chain of events unfolded that put Steve Phillips in a professional broadcast booth Sunday night so he could rip Carlos Beltran. Try to explain that in any other terms.

by Greenpoint Ian on Oct 9, 2009 12:26 PM EDT up reply actions

Now picture that

only in Orange and Blue

Gangsta

by Jadden Hopkins on Oct 9, 2009 5:18 PM EDT up reply actions

I think it's the price tag thing and it's not close

Sure, Holliday will cost in the mid to high teens per annum regardless, but I don’t think it’s inconceivable that the image of him catching what should have been the last out of a crucial playoff game with his nuts might linger in the minds of the relevant decision-makers, whether it should or not.

If Carlos Beltran cost a few extra bucks for his playoff performance, and I think he did, surely a guy could hurt himself too, in at bat or in the field.

by Straight Flushing on Oct 9, 2009 12:44 AM EDT reply actions

Holliday is a horrible fielder. This is not the type of guy we want-even with his stick.

I advocated for Juan Rivera in the off-season and most on metsblog made fun of me saying we need a real LFer like Manny.

I stand by my statement. Not the fastest or best, but he coulda been had on the cheap and had a great year. The Angels did real well with him and Abreu

by Rigsay on Oct 9, 2009 12:44 AM EDT reply actions

A preponderance of objective data disagrees with your opinion

King of the bling come to lay down the evidence//Not George Bush, L-Millz be da president

by Sam Page on Oct 9, 2009 12:56 AM EDT up reply actions

his advocating for Juan Rivera?

I.M. Forme
"When you get yourself into trouble is when you feel you have to do something, and then you get yourself in trouble." --Omar Minaya

by itsmetsforme on Oct 9, 2009 2:50 AM EDT up reply actions

"Holliday is a horrible fielder. This is not the type of guy we want even with his stick"

"Solo homers usually come with no one on base." -Ralph Kiner

by metsguy234 on Oct 9, 2009 7:23 AM EDT up reply actions

He's strange out there though

very awkward looking.

Nyjer only +12??? He’s a hawk.

Trying to believe is my full-time occupation.

by Preach19 on Oct 9, 2009 10:23 AM EDT up reply actions

That's only LF

He’s at +15 in center and he missed a bunch of time after getting injured. Converting to runs saved he’s at +16 for the year.

by James Kannengieser on Oct 9, 2009 11:07 AM EDT up reply actions

Makes sense

That adds up as I look at Fangraphs. I’d like to see the Mets go get him, great player. If only we still had LMillz to trade off…

Trying to believe is my full-time occupation.

by Preach19 on Oct 9, 2009 6:18 PM EDT up reply actions

The objectivity of the measurements involved in producing those ratings is unknown. The ability of those ratings to measure ability is unknown. Plus/minus or whatever zone rating you want to use might be a preponderance with the right jury. Still its highly debatable.

by ol Pete on Oct 9, 2009 12:52 PM EDT up reply actions

No

it’s not highly debatable. There is room for improvement, but these stats are still reliable.

"We must win and we must know how to win rather than win because we have statistical people."

by Evan_S on Oct 9, 2009 1:26 PM EDT up reply actions

these things are always debatable

"Solo homers usually come with no one on base." -Ralph Kiner

by metsguy234 on Oct 9, 2009 4:05 PM EDT up reply actions

like Reyes' laziness

"I dunno. I never smoked any Astroturf"
-Tug McGraw

by squid92 on Oct 9, 2009 5:29 PM EDT up reply actions

No

I think any rational, objective observer can this guy worked his ass off to return for at least one game this season. So no is “laziness” isn’t debatable, he just not lazy.

"We must win and we must know how to win rather than win because we have statistical people."

by Evan_S on Oct 10, 2009 1:47 AM EDT up reply actions