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Look at that next to last paragraph. I know you should never listen to anyone when they talk about what a team is looking to do, but Bengie Molina AND Jermaine Dye? I'm actually now physically ill.

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i just gavomited

its a combination of gagging and vomiting.

by KeithsMoustache on Nov 10, 2009 2:13 PM EST reply actions  

Why?

I seriously need to supplement rooting for the Mets by rooting for a second favorite team, and particpating in their discussions. Preferably one with a fucking clue.

"I dunno. I never smoked any Astroturf"
-Tug McGraw

by squid92 on Nov 10, 2009 2:23 PM EST reply actions  

I lucked out in that regard.

Had a lot of family from Boston, so that gives me a well-run, large market fallback fan position. It DID make the ’86 Series a little tough, but since I grew up on the Mets, not all that tough.

by SeanSchirmer on Nov 11, 2009 9:40 PM EST up reply actions  

Signing Jermaine Dye would be an atrocity of mankind

but would signing Molina be THAT bad? Yes he sucks, but there are no good catchers out there, he can hit for decent power, plus it means we wouldn’t be rushing Thole yet.

I’d be happy with Willingham/Lackey/Molina and some other 1B

But Omar, please don’t go anywhere near Dye.

by Syler on Nov 10, 2009 2:25 PM EST reply actions  

yes molina would be that bad

in that there are better fielders/equally capable hitters on the market for MUCH less money. yes molina hits for power but he has literally the worst pitch recognition/plate discipline in baseball which means what he gives you in power he takes away in OBP. i’m not saying he wouldn’t perform but what he brings can be had for cheaper.

molina got $6M this season and has already come out and said that he wants multiple years AND an increase in pay. So minimum, you’re looking at 2yr/$14M and w/ his power and good defensive rep. I’d be surprised if he didn’t get it somewhere. tack on the fact that he’s 35 and in bad shape and i’ll take gregg zaun for 1yr/$1.5M deal any day.

by Rob Castellano on Nov 10, 2009 3:33 PM EST up reply actions  

agreed on Zaun

 he’s currently our best option for a 1 year deal

by KeithsMoustache on Nov 10, 2009 4:36 PM EST up reply actions  

But at least Alou was really good

injury prone, but one hell of a hitter

"We must win and we must know how to win rather than win because we have statistical people."

by Evan_S on Nov 10, 2009 8:30 PM EST up reply actions  

yeah he was really good before he came to us.

we only got him after he hit the “one more year” stage (twice).

by fxcarden on Nov 10, 2009 8:39 PM EST up reply actions  

We wsa 2 WAR player in 2007

And he only played in 87 games. If healthy (the story of his career really) he would have been a great addition and we’d have made the playoffs.

"We must win and we must know how to win rather than win because we have statistical people."

by Evan_S on Nov 10, 2009 9:01 PM EST up reply actions  

Not good enough. We can do worse, if we try hard really really hard:

*2M to Alex Cora again
*3/36 to old below-replacement SP
*Trade the farm for an injured RP (or Adam Dunn)
*Long term commitment to Orlando Hudson
*3y extension to Jerry after a hot streak
*60M to Aroldis Chapman
*Increase in ticket prices, regardless of what they’ve said before
*Keith doesn’t come back in 2010

Not including the usual “TRAID Writgh for Yuniesky Betancourt/David Eckstein”, cause it’s a given.

by Michkin on Nov 10, 2009 2:51 PM EST reply actions  

the best part is that in the only comment

the person only objects to Chris Snyder.

"[The Giants] beat us down. We were beat by a grown-man team, a team we want to be like one day. They came in here and took it to us. Out-manned us, out-gunned us. ... It wasn't even close." - Raheem Morris, 9/27/09

by cjmulrain on Nov 10, 2009 2:58 PM EST reply actions  

Hey, at least Eckstein won't be the starting second baseman

"We're investigating the investigative procedure of the investigation of Tony Bernazard"---Omar Minaya (he really didn't say it but he would"

by firejerrynow on Nov 10, 2009 3:33 PM EST reply actions  

wait

what’s wrong with Dye? he’s a good hitter

"Solo homers usually come with no one on base." -Ralph Kiner

by metsguy234 on Nov 10, 2009 5:46 PM EST reply actions  

WAR this year, -0.3, huge fielding liability

he’s worth negative runs on the year, despite his bat, and I cant imagine the Citi outfield would be any kinder to him. He’s a DH waiting to happen, and we’re an NL team.

by KeithsMoustache on Nov 10, 2009 5:58 PM EST up reply actions  

He literally CANNOT play in the National League.

"I dunno. I never smoked any Astroturf"
-Tug McGraw

by squid92 on Nov 10, 2009 6:32 PM EST up reply actions  

RBIS

"I dunno. I never smoked any Astroturf"
-Tug McGraw

by squid92 on Nov 10, 2009 10:09 PM EST up reply actions  

ok, I'll bite

it’s not inconceivable (though maybe not probably either) that he could OPS .885 like he did in 2008. that’s higher than Beltran did in 2008 or 2007. that’d make him a pretty good hitter.

(he still wouldn’t be a valuable player because of his horrendous defense, but it’s not like he’s Francoeur-level bad.)

by JoshNY on Nov 11, 2009 12:27 PM EST up reply actions  

You know what's worse?

The idea that the Mets might give a multi-year contract to pry Molina away from San Francisco because they just want him that much.

Also, from the article:

One position the Mets want to try to incorporate Omar Minaya’s passion for "slugging" is behind the plate…
What? I thought Omar hated “unathletic mashers”. Since when does he have a passion for slugging?

by JoshNY on Nov 10, 2009 6:02 PM EST reply actions  

When that guy ONLY slugs

as opposed to someone like Adam Dunn, who also understands how to walk. But noooo, those damn base cloggers…

"I dunno. I never smoked any Astroturf"
-Tug McGraw

by squid92 on Nov 10, 2009 6:33 PM EST up reply actions  

You just know somewhere

The American Mr.Hockey is smiling

DO WHAT JOSE REYES DO!!!

by Jadden Hopkins on Nov 10, 2009 6:47 PM EST reply actions  

Yeah, you just know that guy

is going to come back and gloat the day Omar signs Dye to a multi-year deal. Can we just fire Omar now so he can’t sign Dye and Molina?

by BobbyV_Incognito on Nov 10, 2009 11:21 PM EST up reply actions  

Maybe Omar is just posturing

In an attempt to improve his bargaining position for Holliday. It’s better Boras doesn’t know if Omar really wants Holliday. Not that I’m really too optimistic, since we know Omar doesn’t really know how ballgames are won and lost.

by DoghouseBlues on Nov 11, 2009 12:58 PM EST reply actions  

I've already come to terms with the fact that

Benji Molina is prolly going to be our starting catcher.

by Jsz on Nov 11, 2009 2:50 PM EST reply actions  

at least its not Yadier

sure he’s a ton better, but i’d have this burning urge to destroy things every time i watched a mets game.

by KeithsMoustache on Nov 11, 2009 8:54 PM EST up reply actions  

My testicles just crawled up into my abdomen

after reading the article.

There’s nothing wrong, at all, with acquiring a LF, C, and a 2B each with medium pop, as opposed to a slugger in LF and a couple of light hitters up the middle. The problem, of course, is that Molina and Dye are, what, the worst possible choices for the “medium power” roles? Molina’s OBP kills his offense, and Dye’s defense kills whatever offense he may have remaining. Good God.

I see the Mets are also rumored to be going after Chris Snyder, who may be yet another sinkhole on offense with a high price tag. He makes me think of the Brain Schneider signing, 11.25 mil here over two years including a buyout. If it’s a swap for Castillo straight up that’s certainly worse than the rumored Castillo for Overbay deal. Given Snyder’s back surgery, and that AFAIK he didn’t play after the surgery, I have no idea what kind of player he’s going to be in 2010 and 2011. Castillo has SOME value this offseason, and given that guys like Greg Zaun are going to be available for short, cheap deals, I can’t imagine swapping for Snyder is the best use of the value Castillo still has.

I realize all this might just be posturing by the Mets in order to enhance their negotiating positions, and nothing could be dumber at this point that announcing “We will sign Matt Holliday, whatever the cost”, but you never hear rumors concerning the BoSox GM babbling about going after guys like Dye and Molina.

by SeanSchirmer on Nov 11, 2009 10:05 PM EST reply actions  

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