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Is Orlando Hudson The Answer At Secondbase?

Some things never change: the Mets are supposedly eager to move Luis Castillo to make room for free-agent Orlando Hudson. I agree with the urge to trade Castillo, but is Orlando Hudson much of an improvement? More importantly, is that improvement worth its cost? Last season, the Dodgers signed Hudson to a 1-year deal with a $3.4 million base salary, although he made nearly $8 million through incentives. According to Fangraphs, Hudson was worth $13MM (2.9 WAR) in 2009. If the Mets want to get Hudson, they'll almost assuredly not get that kind of bargain. I honestly have no idea what he might command, but ironically the Castillo contract will probably be a good starting point for Hudson's agent. 

Offensively, Hudson projects better than Castillo. His .342 wOBA last season was right in-line with his career totals to that point. Like Castillo, he hits an absurd amount of groundballs, but isn't dependent on infield hits to generate offensive value, because of a decent amount of power. For that reason, his offensive game is much less likely to deteriorate in the coming seasons. Still, it's important not to overstate the difference in their hitting contributions in 2009--0.3 WAR, or 3.3 runs. 

Hudson's biggest perceived advantage over Castillo is fielding ability, which is true, just not in the way most people think. According to UZR, Hudson was -3.3 runs below average, while Castillo was -10.4 runs below average in significantly less playing time. So, Hudson would be a big upgrade, but only in the sense that no one could possibly worse than Castillo out there. I think the divide in perception vs. reality of Hudson's defense comes not just from him being sure-handed and not rangy, but from being rangy to one side. O-Dog has always been much more proficient at going to his glove-hand side (toward firstbase) than to his left for groundballs. So he will make great diving catches, just in one direction. If the Mets plan to go with Murphy at first in 2010, some of Hudson's defensive value might be negated by the far-right side of the infield already being covered by Murphy. Actually, John Dewan's plus/minus system (which is calculated much in the same way as the popular UZR) breaks each infielder's performance by how they hand balls to their left, dead on, and right. To illustrate my point I applied this data to the STATS fielding chart (plus/minus uses BIS), comparing a Hudson/Murphy infield to a Castillo/Murphy infield. There are a lot of disclaimers attached to this graph, foremost that I just eyeballed this using MS Paint, and also all the standard uncertainty associated with using just one season of data. Anyway:

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What these charts attempt to illustrate is how overlap with Murphy may mean that Hudson shores up the firstbase-side of the infield but leaves an even bigger hole near second. This probably all means nothing, but James Loney, a decent firstbaseman in his own right, rated worse at getting to balls at his right in 2008 v. 2009.

Plus/Minus, though, actually rated Hudson as +8 (~6 UZR), compared to Castillo, -11 (~-8) in 2009. The system had Hudson as -1 on groundballs and +9 on flyballs (which might suit Johan's IFFB tendencies). Ultimately, I think Hudson would be a big defensive upgrade, but maybe not the savior Mike Pelfrey's been looking for, or any better than average. 

Another big concern with Hudson is durability. He has only played 150 games once in his career, although had he not been benched for Ronnie Belliard last year it would be twice. His injury problems aren't chronic like Castillo's, so they are less worrisome going forward, but the Mets better have a good backup plan if they intend to sign Hudson. I would not be reassured by Hudson+Cora. 

Ultimately, I have no easy answer regarding Hudson. If signing Hudson is the condition under which Castillo gets removed from the lineup, so be it, I'd much rather have him than Castillo. I worry, however, that the Mets will overrate his durability and fielding and lock themselves into another bad contract. They'd be better served looking into the trade market or signing a real defensive stud, like Placido Polanco or Adam Kennedy, to a one-year deal. 

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i'd happily take Orlando over Castillo

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by samdaman on Nov 11, 2009 8:36 AM EST reply actions  

the word is that

castillo would be swapped for overbay right? how does an overbay/hudson right side compare to a castillo/murph right side?

by gbaked on Nov 11, 2009 8:50 AM EST reply actions  

For someone to take Castillo...

The Mets are likely going to have to take a large chunk of the contract.

Then they’d have to sign Hudson for a decent amount of money.

To me, if they want to save money, they keep Castillo. Simply because the added benefits of Hudson would cost too much.

by The 'Ropolitans on Nov 11, 2009 8:57 AM EST reply actions  

I'm going to go ahead and say

Castillo will be the Mets 2B next year. It just seems like compounding an old mistake if you trade castillo and cash, then sign hudson for more money and what, 3-4 years? Get a better back-up on the cheap (yes, not alex cora) and live with castillo for 2 more years (ugh, it was hard typing that).

by HotChipWillBreakYourLegs on Nov 11, 2009 9:05 AM EST up reply actions  

Well, after last season

I could live with Castillo. But do we all really think that sort of season is going to happen again?

by The 'Ropolitans on Nov 11, 2009 9:07 AM EST up reply actions  

Why not?

His major problem was 2008, and that was because of his injuries. He didn’t have those injuries, and played very much like his career stats. He is projected to be a shade more ineffective everywhere next season- OBP .363, as opposed to .387 this season, BABIP .315, as opposed to .342 this season.

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by Brooklyn Dodgers Mets Fan on Nov 11, 2009 2:24 PM EST up reply actions  

nitpick

isn’t “-10.4 runs below average” equal to “10.4 runs above average” due to the double-negative?

by JoshNY on Nov 11, 2009 12:21 PM EST reply actions  

Good work

I love Hudson, but we can’t find a taker on Castillo’s contract we should sign a glovey second man to back him up. Perhaps a little late inning defensive replacement?

by Coolpapabell on Nov 11, 2009 12:31 PM EST reply actions  

Because we'd likely be paying Castillo and Hudson's contracts, when all is said and done, I'd just keep Castillo

Hudson isn’t a super massive improvement that is going to show noticeable, tangibleness results (like, say, adding a Chase Utley would). Orlando Hudson has a cool nickname, and he wants to play for the Mets and all (supposedly), but…With Castillo’s contract, I’d rather just pay for one player, and not two.

"Blinding ignorance does mislead us. O! Wretched mortals, open your eyes!"

by Brooklyn Dodgers Mets Fan on Nov 11, 2009 2:26 PM EST reply actions  

Odog: wrong direction

I think the Mets should try to get rid of Castillo. But do not add Odog as the solution. He is a Type A FA and the Mets should not give up a pick for him. Also he is going to be too expensive and is not that much better than Castillo to be worth it. I think a much better solution is Felipe Lopez. He is two years younger than Hudson, will be cheaper to sign and is a Type B FA. They should sign Lopez to a 3yr $12-15m deal.

by TomCarvel on Nov 12, 2009 4:08 AM EST reply actions  

I've been hearing rumors of 3/24 for Hudson

and the Mets have bigger holes to fill than Castillo at 2b, particularly when it means signing an old 2bman who has had a below average UZR for the last two years.

If we get a terrific hitting OFer with good defense, two good starting pitchers, a 1bman who can hit lhp, and a solid catcher, then I’ll start worrying about a position where we were only slightly below average last year.

Part of my problem with Lopez is that other than his good year last year he’s just not that good. His career UZR at 2b is about average, and his bat’s nothing special, and he’s entering his 30s. There’s a lot not to like.

by SeanSchirmer on Nov 15, 2009 9:47 AM EST reply actions  

I've been hearing rumors of 3/24 for Hudson

and the Mets have bigger holes to fill than Castillo at 2b, particularly when it means signing an old 2bman who has had a below average UZR for the last two years.

If we get a terrific hitting OFer with good defense, two good starting pitchers, a 1bman who can hit lhp, and a solid catcher, then (imo) the next move with be to address a position where we were only slightly below average last year.

Part of my problem with Lopez is that other than his good year last year he’s just not that good. His career UZR at 2b is about average, and his bat’s nothing special, and he’s entering his 30s. There’s a lot not to like.

by SeanSchirmer on Nov 16, 2009 2:09 AM EST reply actions  

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