AAOP: 2010 Plans
Free Agent Signings
Ramon Hernandez (C)
Josh Thole is projected to be our starting catcher some time in the future, but no matter how you look at it, next season is not going to be that time. According to the Cincinatti Enquirer, the Cincinatti Reds are very likely to opt-out of their current contract with Ramon Hernandez, because they are looking to cut costs- he would be paid $8.5 million dollars next season, according to it. Hernandez is coming off of a season in which injuries limited his playing time and effectiveness, so if he does become a free agent, he is not going to be offered outrageous deals by potential suitors. While he may be familiar with the Reds organization, the Mets can offer Hernandez, asides for more money, the ability to play during the post-season, something the Reds cannot do, barring an unforeseen Devil Ray-like run. A contract with a base of $2 million dollars with incentives bringing the contract up to as high as $4.5 million dollars over the span of a single season should be able to coax Hernandez, theoretically.
Salary Recap: $2 million - $4.5 million for one year
Matt Holliday (LF)
He's the biggest free agent around, and he’s going to be expensive, but, realistically, the Mets need him. His offense, obviously, is potent, and he can hit for average and for power. Citi Field is spacious, but as empirically evidenced, it doesn’t have as massive an effect on home runs as most believe, meaning that his HR numbers shouldn’t drastically fall upon signing with us. His biggest problem is his defense, and that’s more myth than anything else- his fielding is average, not below average. With Carlos Beltran in Center next to him, that should make up for the extra room he’ll have out there in Citi Field. His
WAR has been over 5.5 for the past three years, and there’s no reason to believe that it’ll be any lower next season, or the next few subsequent ones. A contract of the estimated $20 million dollars over five years is probably what it’ll take to land Holliday, and so be it.
Salary Recap: $20 million for six years
Wilson Valdez (INF)
Wilson Valdez is nothing special, but he'll be able to be picked up on the cheap, and he can play decent infield as a reserve player.
Salary Recap: $0.5 million for one year
Ben Sheets (SP)
Sheets is a high-risk/high-reward player, even when he is "healthy". Sheets is coming off of an injury that kept him out the entire 2009 season. When he’s on, he’s a guy that’s worth a WAR of around 4- and when he’s REALLY on, like in 2004, he was worth as much as 8! Even when he’s not on, such as in his injury shortened 2006 and 2007 seasons, he was still worth 4.0 and 2.2, respectively. As far as we know, the Mets and the Rangers seemed to be the only two teams who seemed interested in him during the winter/spring of 2008/2009, and I’ll take the liberty of assuming that no other clubs will be interested. The Rangers are probably not as interested in Sheets as they were this time last season, with Kevin Millwood being as effective as he was in 2009, and with Scott Feldman having a break-out season. Offering him a one-year contract worth $3 million dollars, with incentives bringing it as high as $8 million (similar to Mark Prior’s 2008 contract) could theoretically bring Sheets here.
Salary Recap: $2 million - $8 million for one year
Erik Bedard (SP)
Like Ben Sheets, Erik Bedard is a high-risk/high-reward player. He’s coming off of two consecutive seasons where injury has limited him to less than 100 innings, and over the course of his entire career, he’s never pitched more than 200 innings, so there’s definitely some red flags for health concerns. When he is healthy, he is fairly dominant, however- in 2007, he had a K/9 rate of 10.93, which was an Orioles record. Bedard is not expected to be able to pitch until sometime after Opening Day 2010, so if he was signed, he’d be appearing midseason. Barring him reinjuring himself, that is almost somewhat of a boon, however- should he return to the game in June or July, his appearance would be very much like a mid-season acquisition, and depending on need, it could also allow the team to trade away another one of our pitchers around the trading deadline for more desperate teams without compromising our pitching rotation. I would offer him a one-year contact worth $3 million with incentives bringing it as high as $7 million dollars.
Salary Recap: $3 million - $7 million for one year
R.A. Dickey (RP)
Dickey is basically a much crappier version of Tim Wakefield. Overall, he’s not that great of a pitcher, but he throws a knuckleball. Since coming back into the Majors with the knuckler, his ERA has dropped from 5.21 in 2008 to 4.62 in 2009. I wouldn’t expect his ERA to continue it’s downward trend, and I wholly expect him to be nothing special, if not bad. As a knuckleball pitcher, he brings a few things to the team: One, as a relief pitcher in the bullpen, he has the ability to make a lot of appearances, which taxes the rest of the pen less. Two, he has the ability to double as a long reliever/spot starter when necessary. Three, he is a knuckleball pitcher. I like knuckleball pitchers, and if anything, he brings a pitch that most of our rivals in the NL haven’t seen, since most haven’t faced Tim Wakefield. Because he’s nothing all that great, he shouldn’t be a very expensive pick-up. A one-year deal with about $0.5 million is what I’d estimate.
Salary Recap: $0.5 million for one year
Bob Howry (RP)
He’s not a major name out there, but Bob Howry’s stats have been remarkably consistent over the past couple of years. In the past six years, he’s had an ERA below the mid-3.00s five out of six times. In the past six years, he’s pitched around 65 innings out of the bullpen five out of six times. He walked more batters, and struck out less than is typical for him last year, but the projections show his K/9 to be 7.15/9 and his BB/9 to be 2.38/9, which is almost a full number improvement from last season. Consistent with what his last contract was, I’d give him a $2 million dollar contract for two years.
Salary Recap: $2 million for two years
Line Up
1st Base: Nick Evans/Danny Murphy
2nd Base: Luis Castillo
3rd Base: David Wright
Shortstop: Jose Reyes
Catcher: Ramon Hernandez
Left Field: Matt Holliday
Center Field: Carlos Beltran
Right Field: Jeff Francoeur
Bench: Fernando Tatis, Wilson Valdez, Omir Santos, Angel Pagan
Pitching Rotation: Johan Santana, Ben Sheets, John Maine, Oliver Perez, Mike Pelfrey, Erik Bedard (Starts season on DL)
Bullpen: Francisco Rodruguez, Pedro Feliciano, Adam Bostick, Brian Stokes, Bobby Parnell, R.A. Dickey, Bob Howry
Total 2010 Payroll:$139.7 to $151.7 million dollars
Carlos Beltran: $18.5 million
David Wright: $10 million
Matt Holliday: $20 million
Jose Reyes: $9 million
Jeff Francoeur: $4 million (Arbitration increase)
Angel Pagan: $1 million
Nick Evans: $0.4 million
Danny Murphy: $0.4 million
Luis Castillo: $6 million
Ramon Hernandez: $2 million - $4.5 million
Fernando Tatis: $1.5 million
Omir Santos: $0.4 million
Wilson Valdez: $0.5 million
Ben Sheets: $2 million - $8 million
Erik Bedard: $3 million - $7 million (*Begins season on DL*)
Johan Santana: $21 million
Oliver Perez: $12 million
John Maine: 2.8 million (Arbitration increase)
Mike Pelfrey: $5.3 million
Brian Stokes: $0.5 million
Pedro Feliciano: $1.6 million (Arbitration increase)
Adam Bostick: $0.4 million
Francisco Rodriguez: $11.5 million
Bobby Parnell: $0.4 million
R.A. Dickey: $0.5 million
Bob Howry: $2 million
Depending on incentives that are reached, we could possibly take on another $10 million +/- contract midseason. The return of Bedard, probably around June or July, allows us to trade a starting pitcher (in all likelihood, John Maine) to a team that might need an extra decent pitcher to make a playoff-run without shooting ourselves in the foot for the year). Thoughts? This is my first time "playing GM"...
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I love the knuckleballer idea, but I'm a Charlie Haeger kind of guy.
"We're just as bad as the old Mets, but this time nobody's laughing"
-Dallas Green
by Stephen Schmidt on Nov 12, 2009 7:26 PM EST reply actions
Dickey has a much better name.
"Blinding ignorance does mislead us. O! Wretched mortals, open your eyes!"
by Brooklyn Dodgers Mets Fan on Nov 12, 2009 10:01 PM EST up reply actions
Its a dangerous plan, the pitching acquisitions are a huge gamble
but it could be interesting if it worked out. And a knuckeballer would be fun, results be damned. My biggest complaint is that Castillo still exists.
by KeithsMoustache on Nov 12, 2009 7:34 PM EST reply actions
Yup.
If everyone stays healthy the 2009 Mets, with the right additions, are a very good team, therefore we don’t need to gamble with the starting rotation. The real need, imo, is to pick up two good, reliable starters.
Love the knuckleballer out of the bullpen. I’ll guess it hasn’t been done much at all since if a team has an effective knuckleballer they won’t be able to resist putting him in the rotation.
The Mets couldn’t wait to get rid of Hernandez. They won’t bring him back under any circumstances. He’s also an ongoing injury risk.
The lineup is still very thin at C, 1B, 2B, and RF.
by SeanSchirmer on Nov 12, 2009 9:23 PM EST up reply actions
I know...
We’d be hard pressed to trade him without eating his contract, but at $6 million dollars, that’s a lot of money to eat. There really aren’t any “super” second-basemen out there, via free agency, or via realistic trade that would be worth eating most or all of Castillo’s contract. I mean, if, say, we trade Castillo buy eating his contract, and then sign Orlando Hudson to fill in at second, we’re not getting that much of a boost at second, and I’d estimate that we’d go from paying $6 million for second base to about ten, or so. I don’t think that that slight boost at second base is worth basically doubling the money we’ve allotted for second.
"Blinding ignorance does mislead us. O! Wretched mortals, open your eyes!"
by Brooklyn Dodgers Mets Fan on Nov 12, 2009 9:54 PM EST up reply actions
i know, i found moving him in a manner that accomplished anything productive was the hardest part of making this plan
it handcuffed me on a few other decisions, so I can see why you just held onto him.
by KeithsMoustache on Nov 12, 2009 10:04 PM EST up reply actions
Also, just noticed...
The Mets never had Ramon Hernandez under contract. I figure you’re thinking of Ramon Castro. Hernandez is far superior to Castro, even when injured. Hernandez has a career WAR of 18.4, with injuries limiting it below 2 over the past three years, while Castro has a career WAR of 6.5 over that very same time period (at the same position), with him never topping over 1.6, even when healthy.
"Blinding ignorance does mislead us. O! Wretched mortals, open your eyes!"
by Brooklyn Dodgers Mets Fan on Nov 12, 2009 10:55 PM EST up reply actions
You're right,
apologies for the oversight. If we had a better backup I’d be happier with your incentive laden deal for Hernandez, but if you’re going to gamble this is a perfectly good one.
by SeanSchirmer on Nov 13, 2009 11:56 PM EST up reply actions
I think the Holliday love is a combination of several factors
1) He’s a very good multi-dimensional player
2) He fills an obvious void
3) He doesn’t cost any prospects
4) Our first round pick is proteced for the first time since the 2004 off-season
5) We should have the money to do it
"We're just as bad as the old Mets, but this time nobody's laughing"
-Dallas Green
by Stephen Schmidt on Nov 12, 2009 8:50 PM EST up reply actions
ill be a lot more amenable to him if he drops below a 100M pricetag
which there is some speculation he might before all is said and done from what i’ve read.
by KeithsMoustache on Nov 12, 2009 9:02 PM EST up reply actions
Agreed
He’s not the best thing since cheddar cheese, but he’s an excellent fit for the 2010-2015 Mets
by SeanSchirmer on Nov 12, 2009 9:15 PM EST up reply actions
It's not that I'm infatuated with him, but
He accomplishes a number of things we need with one money-filled swoop.
"Blinding ignorance does mislead us. O! Wretched mortals, open your eyes!"
by Brooklyn Dodgers Mets Fan on Nov 12, 2009 9:57 PM EST up reply actions
he's definitely the quick fix solution to a number of problems
my only complaint is his contract may make it harder to afford fixes for the other issues. But if we sign him you won’t see me upset about it.
by KeithsMoustache on Nov 12, 2009 10:05 PM EST up reply actions
That's how I felt about him when the off-season began.
I felt he was going to be too expensive, that his defense wouldn’t cut it in Citi Field, and that the stadium itself might cut down on his effectiveness. The second and third have been debunked thoroughly in my mind, and the price tag is what it is, right now- speculation that could very easily go down just enough to be more manageable. A drop in salary at even $5 million dollars, which can equate to something as little as even $1 million dollars less each season for five seasons adds up. Five million dollars can go a long way, when used properly.
"Blinding ignorance does mislead us. O! Wretched mortals, open your eyes!"
by Brooklyn Dodgers Mets Fan on Nov 12, 2009 10:51 PM EST up reply actions
agreed he's on the borderline of a no brainer
if they could get him down to 5/90 i’d pull the trigger in a heartbeat. Money-wise every little bit is going to matter with this team, especially with some important contracts to renegotiate coming up really soon.
by KeithsMoustache on Nov 12, 2009 11:09 PM EST up reply actions
"Five million dollars can go a long way, when used properly."
Omar Minaya laughs in the face of that challenge
"[The Giants] beat us down. We were beat by a grown-man team, a team we want to be like one day. They came in here and took it to us. Out-manned us, out-gunned us. ... It wasn't even close." - Raheem Morris, 9/27/09
Seriously.
$12 million only gets you Oliver Perez!
"I dunno. I never smoked any Astroturf"
-Tug McGraw
I gotta support any plan that brings in a knuckleballer.
And it keeps the farm intact. Very well done.
by BobbyV_Incognito on Nov 12, 2009 11:57 PM EST reply actions
I wanted to get everything done via FA because I'm not so good at trading
I don’t want to embarrass myself by suggesting something that probably isn’t too feasible, or something that probably isn’t in our best interests.
The one major trade I was considering involved us and the Marlins. We send them (and pay for) Castillo, Danny Murphy, and two-mid level prospects (Kunz & Gee?), and get back in return Dan Uggla and Matt Lindstrom, both of whom are supposedly on the block. Ugly is going to give us Castillo-esque defense, but is going to give us some offense, obviously. In return, the Marlins get basically a free second baseman (we’re paying for Castillo), better defense at second, a veteran presence, someone who doesn’t strike out as much as the rest of the team does/did, and a fan favorite down there. They’d get Murphy, a serviceable first baseman, something the Marlins seem to need, who is young, cheap, and also has some plate discipline that the rest of the Marlins don’t necessarily have. We get Matt Lindstrom, who can serve as a set-up/closer, and even with this recent injury season, seems like a more-confident version of Bobby Parnell (at least for the time being). Lindstrom’s inclusion also negates the need to sign Bob Howry, shaving $2 million off of the Free Agent purchases. That gain is offset by Linstrom’s price ($0.5 /-), and Castiilo & Uggla’s contracts ($12 million/-), leaving us spending a minimum of $151.7 million, without adding in any incentives won by players with them in their contracts.
"Blinding ignorance does mislead us. O! Wretched mortals, open your eyes!"
by Brooklyn Dodgers Mets Fan on Nov 13, 2009 12:23 AM EST up reply actions
did you know
Luis Castillo is the Marlins all-time hits leader. He could add to his record!
"[The Giants] beat us down. We were beat by a grown-man team, a team we want to be like one day. They came in here and took it to us. Out-manned us, out-gunned us. ... It wasn't even close." - Raheem Morris, 9/27/09
I don't think anyone wants Castillo, Murphy, or those prospects
Castillo is broken down and can barely play 2nd. He had a bounceback year offensively but is a huge injury risk and isn’t likely to repeat. Murphy can only play 1st, but can’t hit like one. Kunz is a bust, and Gee is ok, but he’s not exactly a top prospect.
The Marlins can get a lot more for Lindstrom and Uggla.
by DoghouseBlues on Nov 13, 2009 9:13 AM EST up reply actions
That's why I ultimatley didn't go with the trade
I’m not a very good judge in value, with Linstrom’s being down with injury and WBC and whatever else, Kunz and Gee being Minor Leaguers…
"Blinding ignorance does mislead us. O! Wretched mortals, open your eyes!"
by Brooklyn Dodgers Mets Fan on Nov 13, 2009 5:28 PM EST up reply actions
This isn't that bad, assuming everyone stays healthy
But I think the offense is too much like last year’s and if someone gets hurt, like Reyes or Castillo or even Muprhy, then you don’t have enough backup. Valdez? Come on.
Gas prices today are a lot like a pitcher's ERA. Anything under 3 is amazing, under 4 is pretty good and anything 5 and up is something you want to avoid.

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