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My off-season plan for the Mets. It isn't pretty, but then again, nothing the Mets do is.

Star-divide

The Mets were miserable in 2009, and unless they do well this offseason, things aren't looking much better... unless they follow my plan.

1. Other than Johan Santana and Mike Pelfrey, no one really has a set rotation spot in 2010. Well I suppose Oliver Perez does, but he's terrible. Point is, the Mets need at least 2 starters for 2010, and I will outline who they should get

My #1 priority: John Lackey, 5 years, $80 million.

Yes, it's a risk. Yes, he was on the DL this year. Keep this in mind though

- He's easily the best free agent starter out there. His ERA+ has been at least 118 each of the last 5 years

- He has only been on the DL twice in his career.

- He's only 31 years old, and doesn't turn 32 until next October

The Mets need a #2 starter if they want to compete in 2010, he's a perfect fit, and they have the money.

Let's keep the other options at mind as well...

Ben Sheets- Did not pitch in 2009 and is incredibly injury prone. Worth a look only if other options fail.

Erik Bedard: Brittle, supposedly unmotivated, and will be out to begin the year. No thanks

Rich Harden- The real life equivalent of the Unbreakable character, Mr. Glass. Harden hasn't even pitched 150 innings since 2004, and this year, he made 26 starts but only threw 141 innings. What does this mean? He threw about 5.41 innings a start, which is pretty terrible. For some perspective, that's basically what John Maine averaged in a start in 2009. He averaged this because of not only an incredibly high K/9, but also an awful 4.28 BB/9 this year. On top all of that, he'll probably want at least $7 or $8 million a year. Paying that much money for a slightly more talented version of John Maine? No thank you.

Randy Wolf- Yes, he had a great 2009. However, this was the first year since 2002 that he pitched 200 innings, or posted an ERA+ above 105. In fact, the previous 3 years, his ERA+ was below 100, which meant he was a below average pitcher. Wolf will likely command around $8 or $9 million, probably on more than a one year deal. Could he replicate 2009 again? Possibly. Could he regress back to 2003-2008 numbers? Considering the fact that his BABPIP was .254 this year, that's more likely, and it's why I don't take the risk on him

Jason Marquis- He's a native Staten Islander, and I would want to sign him just based on that, but since I'm not the Yankees, and I have to use logic here, he likely wouldn't be a good option either. He's been basically league average his entire career, and while he did have a great 1st half, he faltered significantly in the 2nd half. He'll also be looking to cash in, and unless he takes a significant hometown discount, I say no.

Joel Piniero- Perhaps the most interesting alternative to Lackey. Piniero was a career league average pitcher until 2009, where he suddenly became a completely different pitcher, developing significant groundball tendences, and vastly improving his control, leading to a career year. Now, some may wonder what he would be like without Dave Duncan, and I have my doubts as well, but I doubt he'd completely rechange his style again under a new coach. If he wants 3/30, then no way jose, but if he wants something like 2/16 and the Mets can get rid of Perez's contract or don't sign Lackey, I'd honestly be willing to bite the bullet. If neither of those things happen, then I wouldn't sign him

Lackey is the clear choice for me... however, there's also a need for a 2nd starter, and for that, I would pick...

2. Sign Carl Pavano to a 1 year, $4 million deal

Yes, he's the butt of jokes here in NY, and yeah, his ERA in 2009 was 5.10, but he was actually pretty soild in 2009, posting a 6.64 K/9 and a 1.76 BB/9, and an FIP of 4.00.

His price, effectiveness, and lack of a long term commitment make him a perfect signing to help round out the Mets rotation

Santana

Lackey

Pelfrey

Pavano

Maine/Perez

Perfect.

Now onto the bullpen..

3. Sign Kiko Calero to a 2 year, $4 million deal

The bullpen was one of the underlooked problems in 2009, but it must be addressed.

With the departure of Putz, the Mets need a good setup man for K-Blow, and Calero would be a good fit as a hard throwing right hander who averaged over a K per inning, and dominated righties and lefties.

4. Sign Joe Beimel to a 1 year $2 million deal

One of the bigger problems for the Mets bullpen last year was the fact that they had no good 2nd lefty to compliment Feliciano, and it wore on him and the team. Beimel isn't the best reliever in the world, but he does get lefties out which is what he'll be paid to do.

K-Rod, Feliciano, Green are probably guaranteed spots, and the rest can be filled out through spring training and the such

Now onto the starting lineup...

4. Trade Eddie Kunz and Dillon Gee for Josh Willingham to play LF

I am not a huge Matt Holliday fan, and I think it would be a huge mistake to give him a Tex-like contract.

Therefore, I trade for a good hitting LF who is cheap and can hit righties and lefties. He's not great defensively (-5.2 ) but not nearly to the extent of someone like Bay or Hawpe, and was actually above average in 2008.

5. Sign Gregg Zaun to a 1 year, $2 million deal

A cheap switch hitting catcher who can get on base (.347 OBP), hit for power (.417 slg), and can fill in until Thole is ready

6. Trade Luis Castillo to the Dodgers for a mediocre prospect, and sign Felipe Lopez to a 1 year $5 million deal

Castillo won't get you much, but he can get you an OK prospect, and you open it up for a 2nd baseman who not only hit very well last year, but played terrific defense.

7. Sign Nick Johnson to play 1st

Is he injury prone? Absolutely. Is he a great hitter when healthy? Absolutely. Is he better than Danny Baseball? Um, yeah.

8. Non-tender Francouer and go with Pagan in right

For obvious reasons, one being that Pagan is significantly cheaper, and the other that Francouer has little to no chance of replicating his 2009.

9. Don't resign Alex Cora

He is terrible at baseball.

10. Do the following for the bench

-Keep Santos as backup

-Resign Wilson Valdez to a 1 year deal for backup SS duties

-Sign Eric Hinske as power lefty bat off bench

-Sign Endy Chavez as your backup OF. Great defense, ok bat, and cheaper than Reed.

-Keep Murphy for bench

 

So this is what my 2010 team looks like:

 

C: Gregg Zaun: $2,000,0000

1B: Nick Johnson: $5,000,000

2B: Felipe Lopez: $5,000,000

3B: David Wright: $10,000,000

SS: Jose Reyes: $9,000,000

LF: Josh Willingham: $4,100,000

CF: Carlos Beltran: $18,500,000

RF: Angel Pagan: $600,000

Total: $54,200,000

 

Bench:

Chavez: $1,000,000

Valdez: $500,000

Hinske: $1,500,000

Santos: $400,000

Murphy: $400,000

Total: $3,800,000

 

SP:

Santana: $21 million

Lackey: $16 million

Pelfrey: $500,000

Pavano: $4 million

Perez: $12 million

Total: $53,500,000

 

BP:

Rodriguez: $12,000,000

Calero: $2,000,000

Feliciano: $1,500,000

Green: $400,000

Beimel: $2,000,000

Parnell: $400,000

Maine: $4,000,000

Total: $22,300,000

 

Complete total: $133,800,000

 

Conclusion:

I tried to find the cheapest and most cost effective solution that would benefit the entire team the most, without destroying the farm system.

Plus, you have more than enough payroll space to fill a need in-season.

 

Thoughts?

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Not bad, but your trades are a bit lopsided

You’d have to eat most of Castillo’s contract for anyone to consider him.

Kunz and Gee aren’t enough for Willingham.

by DoghouseBlues on Nov 13, 2009 4:27 PM EST reply actions   0 recs

Not true for Castillo

He won’t get much, but Castillo’s 2009 season has given him a sliver of positive value

As for Willingham… maybe. I wasn’t completely sure what he’d cost, but I figure it wouldn’t be much more than that.

by Syler on Nov 13, 2009 4:35 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

He had decent value in 2009

But he has a degenerative knee condition and is a big injury risk. Even if he avoids injury, I don’t think most people expect him to repeat his offensive numbers in ’10. He may play even worse defense in ’10 as he ages and slows down.

He’s not completely worthless but 2yrs/12 million is too much. I’d think you’d have to pay at least $8 million of that to get a taker. If not, another team would just sign Lopez or Polanco.

by DoghouseBlues on Nov 13, 2009 5:15 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

Again, I wasn't completely sure what he'd cost

It isn’t as if he’d cost Davis or Flores

by Syler on Nov 13, 2009 6:08 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

Lackey

simply too risky at five years. Only been on the DL twice? Sure but it is the last two years in a row and with elbow injuries both times. Missed 41 games last year. And while he is very good, he is not as dominant as Santana or Halladay for example. He has averaged 4 WAR over the last four years but only 2 WAR the last two and he is 31. Over four years a contract that expects 4 WAR worth of performance is worth roughly 18 million dollars a year but I bet he won’t average that. So give him a three WAR average over four years and it comes to something like four years at 56 million. Since he is the best pitcher out there I might offer him that as my final bottom line. Not a penny more. And I think I would rather wait and see if I could get Halladay or Cliff Lee if the Phillies fail to extend his contract.

by Endys Game on Nov 13, 2009 4:35 PM EST reply actions   0 recs

I don't want Lackey

but pretty good overall

by Sam Page on Nov 13, 2009 4:41 PM EST reply actions   0 recs

I wouldn't be upset if this happened

but I think they can do better

Gas prices today are a lot like a pitcher's ERA. Anything under 3 is amazing, under 4 is pretty good and anything 5 and up is something you want to avoid.

by Bobby Baseball on Nov 13, 2009 4:48 PM EST reply actions   0 recs

yeah...

Gas prices today are a lot like a pitcher's ERA. Anything under 3 is amazing, under 4 is pretty good and anything 5 and up is something you want to avoid.

by Bobby Baseball on Nov 13, 2009 9:31 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

Alot of good, gutsy moves but

I don’t know about Lackey or Pavano. That commits a lot of money on 30-something pitchers. And this lineup doesn’t solve our power problem.

I applaud the gutsy move not to get Holliday though. And I like N Johnson and Beimel pickups. And starting Pagan in RF to save some $ is not a bad idea, either.

But I think the lineup needs more pop.

by saberkeith on Nov 13, 2009 5:12 PM EST reply actions   0 recs

Well my reasoning is that a lot of our power will come from guys we already have

I don’t expect Wright to hit 10 HRs again

Beltran over a full season will hit 28-30

Reyes is good for 15-16

Willingham hit 24 HRs last year, and should be good for at least 20 again.

Johnson and Lopez could have about 8 or 9 each, maybe more for Johnson.

Zaun hit 8 HRs in 262 ABs, so it’s not crazy to think he could hit 10-11 in 400 AB.

My lineup isn’t the Phillies, but it would get on base A LOT, which would lead to a good amount of runs being scored.

by Syler on Nov 13, 2009 5:24 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

That seems like too much and too many years for Lackey

I’d disagree about your assessment of Wolf as well, ERA+ just means his ERA was below average not that he was a below average pitcher. There are a crapton of reasons an ERA+ could be below average other than just pitching below average.

And to me a rotation of Pavano, Perez, Lackey with his age/injury problems, is setting yourself up for too many headaches, not that I’m sure there are many other options out there that wouldn’t result in headaches.

by Gina on Nov 13, 2009 5:36 PM EST reply actions   0 recs

It's a lot for Lackey but that's what the market dictates

Burnett got essentially the same deal, and Lackey is imo a much better pitcher.

Halladay would be nice but given the cost of the new contract and the value of the prospects we’d have to give up, it isn’t realistic.

The Mets need a #2 starter badly, and he’s the only FA that fits that bill.

by Syler on Nov 13, 2009 5:39 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

As for Wolf...

His FIPS from 2003-2009 are:

4.28
4.55
4.97
6.43
3.99
4.17
3.96

Given his extensive injury history and the fact he’ll want a 3 year deal, I just can’t advocate signing him,.

by Syler on Nov 13, 2009 5:44 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

FIPS of

3.99, 4.17, and 3.96 the last 3 seasons are kind of stellar, and better than anyone not named Johan in our rotation. I also don’t see how him relatively cheaply for 3 years is more risky than Lackey for 16 million per for 5 years, he’s been healthy for 2 years straight.

by Gina on Nov 13, 2009 6:25 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

Pavano is as much an injury risk as Sheets/Bedard/Harden/et al.

He made 33 starts last season, but you’ll have to go back five years until you get to the last time he made 30+ starts in a season.

"Blinding ignorance does mislead us. O! Wretched mortals, open your eyes!"

by Brooklyn Dodgers Mets Fan on Nov 13, 2009 5:38 PM EST reply actions   0 recs

He'd only be making $4 million

and I think he’s a better investment than spending $8 million on a guy who was out all of 2009, or on a guy who will be on the DL to start the year

by Syler on Nov 13, 2009 5:42 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

The idea of 5 years for Lackey is where this plan fails and fails hard

I’ll respect your comparison to Burnett and analyze it.

Let’s agree on the fact that Lackey is steadily regressing as he is already 31.

Your thought is that we should sign Lackey to a 5 year 80 mil contract (16/yr)

Now with that in mind, (and using Burnett as our equivalent)

Burnett’s 2009 season was worth exactly 14 million dollars in salary.

Assuming Lackey puts up a similar performance if he signs (which is a big enough if), we’d be paying him 2 million over what he produces.

Combine that with a steady regression of Lackey’s performance and potential for injury (and this potential increases with age), and we get anywhere from 15-40 mil overspent, at best.

Worst case scenario: see Darren Dreifort contract.

Overall, I know you have good intentions, but you have to do more research.

by sagecoll on Nov 13, 2009 6:03 PM EST reply actions   0 recs

This plain fails hard???

Your reasoning is absurd; any pitcher who is given a long term extension will have risk for injury and decline, but it doesn’t stop teams from doing it.

Sometimes, you have to “bite the bullet” and take a risk.

We really can’t afford to go the whole “injury prone projects” route again

by Syler on Nov 13, 2009 6:07 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

I agree about any pitcher

but in this case he wouldn’t even be worth it the first year, let alone the rest of the contract. And him being overpaid by 2 million is probably best case scenario. Where as most of the time when you’re talking about big contracts to pitchers they’re not going to be under performing their salary until the 3rd and 4th years into the contract.

by Gina on Nov 13, 2009 6:27 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

Bite the Bullet?

sounds like you should work for Minaya.

by sagecoll on Nov 13, 2009 6:37 PM EST reply actions   0 recs

No need for that

You’re being overly critical. Signing Lackey for 5 years is a risk, but it’s not THAT bad.

by DoghouseBlues on Nov 13, 2009 7:09 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

I'm sorry

You’re right, I was harsh, I’m sublimating my anger from the news about Francoeur today

by sagecoll on Nov 13, 2009 7:23 PM EST reply actions   0 recs

too many bad choices

First why would you want the always hurt Nick Johnson, and I don’t think you get anything by going with Willingham over Francouer except for less defense. Pavano couldnt handle NY and needs to stay away.

Lackey is good of we can sign him

Maine needs to be traded away, he never finishes a season strong, perez lets cut our losses now( should have never resigned him)..Pagan cant run the bases so he needs to go

bring back Endy Chabez is great improvement over Reed, Lopez is a good back up plan if we dont get Hudson.

Zaun is a good bet

by Rickfansince76 on Nov 14, 2009 3:14 AM EST reply actions   0 recs

Willingham is significantly better than Francoeur offensively (.365 wOBA to 317 wOBA career)

and has been better defensively the last two years.

I’m pretty sure Pagan knows how to run the bases. Lopez is a better option than Hudson at this point. Cheaper, better in the field and you won’t have to make a long term commitment. In 09 Lopez was worth more than Hudson, 4.6 WAR to 2.9 WAR. We’re not getting rid of Perez, as much as we all want to, and trading Maine now would be selling low. Maine is cheap and could be effective. And in the 26 starts over the course of four seasons, Pavano showed he couldn’t handle New York? I’m pretty sure a pitcher’s skill in Minnesota remains the same should that pitcher move to New York or anywhere else for that matter.

"We must win and we must know how to win rather than win because we have statistical people."

by Evan_S on Nov 14, 2009 3:32 AM EST up reply actions   0 recs

This team is pretty bad

Gregg Zaun is not a starting catcher, Period, and where the heck did you get those numbers you listed. He is career .344 OBP and .388 SLG, has been used almost exclusively as a backup, and is not at all an improvement over last years catching pairs. Looking back (though I said this at the time), the Mets should have kept Santos and Castro, not Schneider, and played whoever was fresher.
Josh Willingham is not a solution in LF. Dude does not hit enough and has not lived up to the expectations (too much pressure?).
Carl Pavano is interesting, but I am certain teams will be interested in him so that he costs more than 4 mil. Everyone saw him pitch down the stretch.
Why do we want Nick Johnson? He will probably sign with us and then never play again. Just not worth signing people who are always getting injured. Sure, Lackey represents that risk too since he has been injured the past two years, but you don’t have anyone available who could replace Lackey; whereas Johnson is not that much of an upgrade for what he will cost.
We learned last year that when Pagan is on the bench we want him to be playing, but when he is starting we want him on the bench. He is a fourth outfielder on a good team, and starter on a bad team. I can see him platooning with the corner guys to get plenty of playing time, but we shouldn’t pencil him in to start.
I do not want Hinske (DH-league only player) or Valdez on my major league team wasting bench space. Where can Hinske play? An awful LF or maybe an awful 1B, and he is not like a super great hitter, so why? Valdez was great defensively and can work on his hitting for Buffalo, but does not start the season on the big team. I agree we need someone with his skills on D, but I think Everett is a much better choice.
This teams pitching is a little better, but somehow they manage to score just as few runs and still underwhelm in the power department-except now we are losing speed too!
I like Lopez at second, Lackey, Calero, Maine in the pen and that you didn’t break up the core or the prospects, but this team is still fourth best in the NL east, sorry.
Grade: C-

by astromets on Nov 14, 2009 3:21 PM EST reply actions   0 recs

Well, let's see...

Zaun’s numbers were from last year, and I don’t see how you could say he isn’t a starting catcher when you advocate for Bengie “.285 OBP” Molina in your post.

Also, what the hell are you talking about in regards to Willingham? The guy hit .260/.367/.496 last year and has a career OPS of .840

I advocated signing Johnson because he is a massive upgrade over Murphy, and there are no other good realistic options for 1B.

As for RF… Pagan isn’t ideal, but he’s a better option than Failcoeur

In regards to the bench….Everett is a horrendous hitter and he’d be more expensive, so why not just use Valdez?

Hinske is an ideal pinch hitter, and he would ideally only start 20 games

In any case, your arguments are weak and don’t explain the C- grade

by Syler on Nov 14, 2009 3:41 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

Zaun

He isn’t a starting catcher because he usually hasn’t been used that way in his career and is turning 39 next year

by astromets on Nov 14, 2009 3:47 PM EST reply actions   0 recs

I guess this is your plan and so you call the shots...

But you’re dreaming if you think Thole will be ready by the end of this year. Maybe he is passable by then, but no way his defense is where it should be to start in the majors. He needs at least a year, probably more, though there is little chance he gets all of that.

I am not a huge Molina fan, I just think he is the smartest move for the Mets to make this year and is worth two years. We are not getting Mauer or Martinez and after that the talent is all pretty similar. I would like someone who understands the responsibilities of starting and could hopefully give Thole some tips so he can be a great catcher for a long time too. If Thole does ever become ready, Molina could just slip into the backup mentor role. If someone could come up with a better FA alternative, then I would push for that person 100%, but so far no one has.

by astromets on Nov 14, 2009 4:10 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

If Molina cost $2 million, I wouldn't be against him

But he’ll cost at least $6 million, over 2 years, and it just is not smart to give a player like him multiple years.

by Syler on Nov 14, 2009 4:17 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

Good post

I’m also a little iffy on Lackey but I like a lot of this.

by James Kannengieser on Nov 14, 2009 3:51 PM EST reply actions   0 recs

the rest

Willingham just hasn’t been what everyone expected, an all-star, he strikes out a decent amount, and he doesn’t hit enough to make the lineup you present good enough to win. That was the whole point of the C-, this team would maybe make it to .500, it wouldn’t make the playoffs. That was my main problem with him, he doesn’t hit enough for what we need.

You say Pagan is better than Francoeur, but why? Francoeur has been a starting RF since he came up, Pagan has been injured a lot and a fourth outfielder. Francoeur rarely makes a defensive miscue, Pagans head is somewhere in the clouds every other game it seems. Both are useful to have around, and both shouldn’t be playing all the time, which is why the work well together.

Everett has been just as bad a hitter as Valdez, you’re right, I just assumed he was better. I still feel more comfortable with him there because he has been around in the majors and given the opportunity before, and that is what I want in my bench guys, so they know their role.

Hinske is a wasted roster spot if he is never going to start, like Reed last year.

Johnson, when healthy, is a massive upgrade over Murphy when struggling. Johnson is no guarantee to be healthy, and Murphy no guarantee not to be struggling, but one makes league minimum and leaves open options during the year to maybe try for A-Gon or maybe even D-Lee if the Cubs flop again, while the other will take a multi-year deal. Johnson is no guarantee and he is slowing down.

by astromets on Nov 14, 2009 4:03 PM EST reply actions   0 recs

Willingham can hit though

He isn’t an all star, but he’s still a very good hitter, and he’s significantly cheaper than Holliday or Bay. If Wright, Beltran and Reyes return to career norms, he wouldn’t have to be a superstar bat.

Pagan may not have started all his life, but he was excellent last year. He was 9.8 runs above average, and despite his defensive miscues, he was 5.8 runs above average defensively, not to mention that he’s also a lot cheaper than Francoeur.

Hinske is a decent hitter who can hit for power, something we didn’t have on the bench last year

As for Johnson… I in no way ever advocated signing him to a multi year deal, and if he wanted one, I would tell him to shove off. I like Johnson, because he hits for moderate power, and gets on base a lot. Adrian Gonzalez isn’t realistic, and I doubt the Cubs would trade Lee after the year he just had.

by Syler on Nov 14, 2009 4:15 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

you're right

My initial look at Willingham made me think he hit less than he did and I was surprised upon deeper inspection, but far from overwhelmed. But I will tell you where I think you are wrong: even with Wright, Beltran and Reyes we still need another superstar bat. Would we have been anywhere as good as we were without those three AND Delgado from 06-08? I don’t think we could have. True, those teams could’ve used some better supporting players, but we also got better than expected help from players like Valentin and Nady (and Maine).

by astromets on Nov 14, 2009 4:41 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

You're putting too much faith in veterans, here.
I still feel more comfortable with him there because he has been around in the majors and given the opportunity before

Just because Francoeur has more MLB experience than Pagan doesn’t mean he’s better. So what if Frenchy’s been a starter since he came up? He’s not much more valuable than Pagan, and he’ll cost more. And Valdez is the poor man’s Adam Everett, so why pay full price for something we already have? Trusting in players just because they’ve been here before is a flawed way to build a roster; you’re essentially trusting other GMs’ judgment, and overlooking things like a player’s development, and his being blocked by others.

by BobbyV_Incognito on Nov 14, 2009 4:21 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

way to take that out of context

I was saying that about my bench guy Everett over Valdez; I wouldn’t use that as a metric for the young people who are starters, but I want my bench guys to have ML experience starting. I should’ve elaborated saying that I still feel Valdez has room to grow offensively; I thought I read he was a good prospect before his true age was revealed, or something, at which point his value slipped some or something.
I am not saying that because this guy has been a starter and this other guy has not, so I will choose the starter. I am saying this guy, Everett for instance, has been a starter because of his defense is good, and I want someone coming off my bench to play awesome defense at short (probably second too), so do I want Valdez who seemed to play good D for us last year but w.o much experience or Everett who has always played good D for teams, and even found a job as a starter because of that D. Think back a few years when A-Hern got called up. Everyone thought he was a vacuum at short, but couldn’t hit. We saw him again just what, 2-3 years later and we think he can’t handle short at all. Small sample sizes are misleading, big ones are a better measure of ones future impact.

by astromets on Nov 14, 2009 4:34 PM EST reply actions   0 recs

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