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Meet the Mets

I think I'll retract my desire to see Chone Figgins as a Met if it means him in left field and Castillo remaining at second.

MLB Trade Rumors also passes along a quote saying that the Mets are not a desirable destination for players.

Hot Foot argues that the Mets should take a flyer on Chien-Ming Wang.

Mets Merized has taken on the mantle of being Jeff Francoeur's primary defender and is starting to sound a little paranoid. Ted Berg concedes partly to this, but prays that the Mets don't extend the contract.

The Mets are considering former Cleveland manager Eric Wedge for a position on the bench.

New York is also thinking of bringing back Josh Thole from Venezuela after a rash of kidnappings.

Baseball America is impressed so far with Jenrry Mejia.

Bernie Madoff's Met jacket sold for $14,500.

Despite his amazing ability to take up Nick Evans' playing time, Fernando Tatis was a pretty valuable bench player.

Around the NL East

Elijah Dukes got ejected in a fall league game. Nicely done.

Would the Braves really think about giving up a first round pick for Billy Wagner?

Around MLB

NYBD's post regarding Carl Crawford's unhappiness (linked to as fact here; I'm hanging my head in shame on this one) has been widely discredited. More here. Silva, in response, even mocked the Tampa region

More Tampa bay stuff. DRaysBay talks with GM Andrew Friedman. Compare this transcript to anything Omar has ever said.

Spit target and umpire John Hirschbeck calls Roberto Alomar a good friend and a sure Hall of Famer.

Would it make sense for the Pirates to unload Ryan Doumit now?

Jason Fry has some suggestions for improving beat writers' product.

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by The 'Ropolitans on Nov 16, 2009 10:41 AM EST reply actions  

Thank God

According to that first MLBTR article, a Francoeur extension is “not likely to happen.”

by boom_roasted on Nov 16, 2009 11:27 AM EST reply actions  

If Josh Thole got kidnapped

I would enlist the most badass members of AA to form the (A)A-Team and go down to Venezuela and get our boy home. I’m going to assume Catsmeat has access to a van or, at minimum, knowledge of how to deal with the long road trip down to Venezuela. Plus, after we rescue Thole while losing only Ken Dynamo, we can stop in Mexico to check up on Ollie and “persuade” him to retire – medium style.

by Sokojoe on Nov 16, 2009 11:39 AM EST reply actions  

I got a lot of songs on the iPod, a cricket bat and a bowling ball.

That should work.

WOLVERINES!!!!

"He's definitely mixing it into his repertoire. That's French for 'repertoire' " - Keith Hernandez

by Catsmeat Potter-Pirbright on Nov 16, 2009 12:32 PM EST up reply actions  

Can we lose James instead?

Also Ollie’s in boot camp in Arizona.

by Sam Page on Nov 16, 2009 12:54 PM EST up reply actions  

How James be Batman

when I’m Batman?

"We must win and we must know how to win rather than win because we have statistical people."

by Evan_S on Nov 16, 2009 1:35 PM EST up reply actions  

Is that

the ‘good’ Death Wish sequel? Also, couldn’t any of them have essentially been subtitled ‘The Crackdown’?

by deadspy3 on Nov 16, 2009 1:55 PM EST up reply actions  

The "good" sequel was Death Wish 3

in my humble opinion. It’s over-the-top and fantastic. I’ve probably seen it 25 times.

by James Kannengieser on Nov 16, 2009 1:58 PM EST up reply actions  

I love the Death Wish pattern

1 – NY
2 – LA
3 – NY
4 – LA
5 – NY

by Sokojoe on Nov 16, 2009 2:15 PM EST up reply actions  

YES!

The best on-screen Batman, no doubt.

by deadspy3 on Nov 16, 2009 1:55 PM EST up reply actions  

There's only one Catwoman...

…and that’s Eartha Kitt, Julie Newmar and Lee Meriwether.

"He's definitely mixing it into his repertoire. That's French for 'repertoire' " - Keith Hernandez

by Catsmeat Potter-Pirbright on Nov 16, 2009 2:13 PM EST up reply actions  

Not Halle Berry or Michele Pfeiffer?

God Adam West sucked as Batman, that whole show is so terrible. He’s much better as the mayor of Quahog anyway.

"We must win and we must know how to win rather than win because we have statistical people."

by Evan_S on Nov 16, 2009 2:50 PM EST up reply actions  

I think it's actually very good

The acting, especially of the Commissioner and Batman, is fantastic, and the stories are kind of political and subtle. Of course, the special effects are non-existent but it was the sixties.

by deadspy3 on Nov 16, 2009 2:56 PM EST up reply actions  

The acting is laughable!

And it really killed Batman’s image from being the Dark Knight of Gotham into something campy. Batman is a complex character, mysterious to everyone, terrifying to his enemies. The Joker is a homicidal lunatic, much more Heath Ledger than Caesar Romero. Seriously, Batman the Animated Series (by the way, Kevin Conroy is the best Batman ever, at least his voice, and Mark Hamill is excellent voicing the Joker as well.) had more of an adult tone that that version.

"We must win and we must know how to win rather than win because we have statistical people."

by Evan_S on Nov 16, 2009 3:07 PM EST up reply actions  

I think Adam Wests batman is incredibly entertaining

but you have to treat it as a different thing entirely from the newer Batmans. Comparing the two is kind of pointless as they had totally different aims. You describe it as laughable, and thats exactly what it is. Its entertainment based and not action based. While given the choice I’d watch the newer batman movies, I have no problem with Adam Wests rendition. I agree with deadspy that a lot of the fun of it was in the subtext of the stories.

by KeithsMoustache on Nov 16, 2009 3:23 PM EST up reply actions  

You're looking at Batman

like the only “right” way to depect the character is ala Frank Miller’s Dark Knight or with an “adult tone.” Statements like “The Joker is a homicidal lunatic, much more Ledger than Romero” are not truth as there isn’t a real Joker to base that asserstion on. The Joker is whatever the artist decides to do with the character. Nothing is set in stone and that’s a good thing. Like when Aretha Franklin changed the entire tone of Redding’s song Respect. Anyways, I like the 60s version, it was the most different Batman has ever been, I also like liked Year One and The Dark Knight Returns, Nolan and Burton’s Batman and Arnold as Mr Freeze (“Chill out” “Ice to meet you” wonderful stuff)

by Sokojoe on Nov 16, 2009 3:26 PM EST up reply actions  

I never liked the 60s show

even when I was a kid watching on TV land or something, i found it more funny than cool. I love what Miller did and that has really become the standard for me. Year One, even moreso than the Dark Knight Returns was brilliant

"We must win and we must know how to win rather than win because we have statistical people."

by Evan_S on Nov 16, 2009 3:49 PM EST up reply actions  

And I just saw this in Wikipedia

“In his initial dozen or so appearances, starting with Batman #1 (1940), the Joker was a straightforward homicidal maniac, with a bizarre appearance modeled after the Joker playing card. " I agree it’s great that so many artists can make the characters the way they want, but the 60s show is so campy it’s ridiculous.

"We must win and we must know how to win rather than win because we have statistical people."

by Evan_S on Nov 16, 2009 3:52 PM EST up reply actions  

I think the straight homicidal joke is boring

Cesar Romero’s joker had an influence on Hammill that was positive, I think. It gave the duality that the joker could be the likable and funny villain but still commit horrible crimes.

by Sam Page on Nov 16, 2009 4:00 PM EST up reply actions  

The Dark Knight image

was created in the late 1980’s by Frank Miller when he wrote Dark Knight Returns, which became the basis for a movement throughout all comics, not just Batman. Actually, West’s Batman was more true to the original tone of the comics.

Obviously, Batman the Animated Series is the best Batman ever, the complexity of the joker in that series will never by matched by Ledger, Nicholson or anyone.

by Sam Page on Nov 16, 2009 3:28 PM EST up reply actions  

Sure

not true to the 1939-original tone of the comics, but definitely different than the darkness we associate with the character today.

by Sam Page on Nov 16, 2009 3:43 PM EST up reply actions  

Batman was darker in the 40s and 50s

not as dark as Miller’s but certainly not as campy as the 60s version.

"We must win and we must know how to win rather than win because we have statistical people."

by Evan_S on Nov 16, 2009 3:45 PM EST up reply actions  

I mean yea everything is darker than the show

just the aesthetics, gaudy colors, and bad dialogue were all very silver age. I guess we’ll have to agree to disagree Mr. _S.

by Sam Page on Nov 16, 2009 3:57 PM EST up reply actions  

false face to henchmen:

“there goes batman, quick, head them off at the pass.

robin to false face: “pass intercepted false face!”

plot foiled yeah!

i read the dark knight and it was pretty dope. the only batman comic i ever bought was when bane broke his back. not a great purchase. i do own an ass load of x-men comics tho.

Lets hope that when gut check time comes again the Mets will pass it with flying colors.

by kendynamo on Nov 16, 2009 7:43 PM EST up reply actions  

Batman: Year One is spectacular

I highly recommend.

"We must win and we must know how to win rather than win because we have statistical people."

by Evan_S on Nov 16, 2009 7:59 PM EST up reply actions  

This is why I love this place.

A discussion on rescuing a hypothetically kidnapped Josh Thole turned into a group dissertation on the evolution of Batman and the Joker.

by BobbyV_Incognito on Nov 17, 2009 12:48 AM EST up reply actions  

I swear

as soon as Robin spoke, I broke out laughing. I can understand people liking it, a lot of people grew up watching it, to others it can just be entertaining, but I wouldn’t call any of it good. Maybe I’m just a television elitist.

"We must win and we must know how to win rather than win because we have statistical people."

by Evan_S on Nov 16, 2009 4:02 PM EST up reply actions  

I think

Robin’s over-earnest kid-acting is half-endearing, half-irritating. Actually maybe he is the Francouer of the whole operation.

by deadspy3 on Nov 16, 2009 4:04 PM EST up reply actions  

I love how

it’s kind of postmodern before postmodernism. Having Bat Ladder written on the ladder is absurdly brilliant. Is that for Batman, Robin, the public, the TV show crew!? Excellent

by deadspy3 on Nov 16, 2009 4:03 PM EST up reply actions  

read the old Batman comics from the 60's up until the mid/late 80's

they are much, much more like the Adam West show than the Dark Knight. It wasn’t until Frank Miller’s “The Dark Knight Returns” in 1986 followed by the Tim Burton 1988 “Batman” movie that Batman became the darker, more serious fare we know today.

I greatly prefer the modern interpretation, but it’s not really fair to criticize the Adam West show for depicting Batman the way he was almost universally portrayed at the time.

"[The Giants] beat us down. We were beat by a grown-man team, a team we want to be like one day. They came in here and took it to us. Out-manned us, out-gunned us. ... It wasn't even close." - Raheem Morris, 9/27/09

by cjmulrain on Nov 17, 2009 3:03 AM EST up reply actions  

I suppose I did go with a somewhat obscure Simpsons quote . . .

although I’m also not sure there is such a thing an obscure Simpsons quote.

"He's definitely mixing it into his repertoire. That's French for 'repertoire' " - Keith Hernandez

by Catsmeat Potter-Pirbright on Nov 16, 2009 3:20 PM EST up reply actions  

Whacking day is coming

The greatest day of the Year!

I didn’t think it was that obscure.

If there's ever a riot at Citi Field and Oliver Perez was the starter, I started the riot.

by meigs1414 on Nov 16, 2009 3:35 PM EST up reply actions  

You know what the problem is

When they show repeats, they go through every episode, so I rarely see the same episode twice anymore on a regular basis.

"We must win and we must know how to win rather than win because we have statistical people."

by Evan_S on Nov 16, 2009 4:10 PM EST up reply actions  

That one, to me, is not obscure at all

But that’s because that one, along with about ten other really good ones (Beer Baron, Lemon of Troy, Last Exit to Springfield, the 2nd, 3rd and 4th sideshow bob ones, etc.), I had my computer and watched them repeatedly at college, in lieu of during work.

I like the fact that Fox did that, showing the episodes in order, but they should just poll their audience about their favorites and only play like the top 100 or so. That would be ideal.

If there's ever a riot at Citi Field and Oliver Perez was the starter, I started the riot.

by meigs1414 on Nov 16, 2009 4:46 PM EST up reply actions  

I watch the Simpsons all the time so I'm ashamed of myself

But like Seinfeld, which has far less episodes, and is shown more often, I can literally watch any episode (minus the Puerto Rican Day Parade) and know virtually every line. I wish they’d just show re runs of the Simpson from the first 12 or so seasons. I still like the new ones, but from like season 3 to season 10, the Simpsons is by far the funniest show ever.

"We must win and we must know how to win rather than win because we have statistical people."

by Evan_S on Nov 16, 2009 6:26 PM EST up reply actions  

Oh hell yeah

definitely those seasons are by far the best.

If there's ever a riot at Citi Field and Oliver Perez was the starter, I started the riot.

by meigs1414 on Nov 16, 2009 7:55 PM EST up reply actions  

NO

I can’t believe I missed a Simpson’s quote!!! I’m so ashamed.

"We must win and we must know how to win rather than win because we have statistical people."

by Evan_S on Nov 16, 2009 3:54 PM EST up reply actions  

ALSO

FAMILY GUY IS TERRIBLE.

by Sam Page on Nov 16, 2009 3:29 PM EST up reply actions   1 recs

Had you said that two years ago I'd have tracked you down and bludgeoned you

However, it has been pretty mediocre the last few years. But the original run was hysterical.

"We must win and we must know how to win rather than win because we have statistical people."

by Evan_S on Nov 16, 2009 3:56 PM EST up reply actions  

Me too

Regarding Family Guy, there are some great episodes here and there, but it’s not the same. Most are mediocre and some are really bad. I think it’s mostly laziness on the writers side. I mean, there is no worse hell than having to sit through 3 minutes of Conway Twitty

"We must win and we must know how to win rather than win because we have statistical people."

by Evan_S on Nov 16, 2009 4:26 PM EST up reply actions  

oof that was bad

I flipped to another channel and changed back to it multiple times in the hopes that it stopped. Good job by all the writers!

If there's ever a riot at Citi Field and Oliver Perez was the starter, I started the riot.

by meigs1414 on Nov 16, 2009 4:39 PM EST up reply actions  

yea, that was pretty much the worst thing ever

but then, I think that’s sorta the point. I think Seth MacFarlane is like the Bill Bellicheck of TV animated comedy – he’s gotten bored of just dominating the market, so he’s gonna try crazy shit and see how much he can get away with. The Conway Twitty thing was MacFarlane’s version of going for it on 4th and 2 on Sunday

"[The Giants] beat us down. We were beat by a grown-man team, a team we want to be like one day. They came in here and took it to us. Out-manned us, out-gunned us. ... It wasn't even close." - Raheem Morris, 9/27/09

by cjmulrain on Nov 17, 2009 3:07 AM EST up reply actions  

Agreed

"Blinding ignorance does mislead us. O! Wretched mortals, open your eyes!"

by Brooklyn Dodgers Mets Fan on Nov 16, 2009 4:52 PM EST up reply actions  

Nah, my nipples are more pronounced

"We must win and we must know how to win rather than win because we have statistical people."

by Evan_S on Nov 16, 2009 2:00 PM EST up reply actions  

Oh yeah,

do you remember all the fuss about those nipples!?

by deadspy3 on Nov 16, 2009 2:14 PM EST up reply actions  

Good point, losing Dynamo would be rough

James being a CPA and all, can work alone as the mission’s independant auditor, in a role akin to Donald Genaro. Obviously, he will also be eaten while on a toliet in South America.

And shit you’re right, Ollie isn’t in Mexico. But since we’re in Mexico, looks like there’s a slight change of plans AA SPRING BREAK!!

by Sokojoe on Nov 16, 2009 1:46 PM EST up reply actions  

i'd like to hear more about how this team would

use their statistical numbers to carry out this mission. everyone can’t do paperwork or there won’t be anyone to drive the van.

I.M. Forme
"When you get yourself into trouble is when you feel you have to do something, and then you get yourself in trouble." --Omar Minaya

by itsmetsforme on Nov 16, 2009 1:50 PM EST up reply actions  

send Ollie to Venezuela

kidnapping may be the only way out of this

I.M. Forme
"When you get yourself into trouble is when you feel you have to do something, and then you get yourself in trouble." --Omar Minaya

by itsmetsforme on Nov 16, 2009 2:07 PM EST up reply actions  

I'd love to be book version of Gennaro

He was a badass hero. Also he’s a lawyer, not a CPA, oops.

by James Kannengieser on Nov 16, 2009 3:20 PM EST up reply actions  

I don't know why they changed some of the characters

also, book Muldoon was the most bad ass character, ever. The movie version was kinda bad ass, but he was so much smaller of a role, and he died like a punk. Very disappointing.

"[The Giants] beat us down. We were beat by a grown-man team, a team we want to be like one day. They came in here and took it to us. Out-manned us, out-gunned us. ... It wasn't even close." - Raheem Morris, 9/27/09

by cjmulrain on Nov 17, 2009 3:09 AM EST up reply actions  

He didn't really die!

Well, you don’t see a body, and in the comics which follow the movie, you discover that he survived. This is discovered when safari hunters come to the island to catch raptors to be trained as guard-dog equivalents for some nefarious billionaire.

by deadspy3 on Nov 17, 2009 2:50 PM EST up reply actions  

hey why do i die?

i’ll just stay in the van and be the van guy. plus i’ll make sure we have appropriately bad ass van art. several wolves and a full moon will be involved.

and hopefully thole’s kidnapper will be nicknamed sub-zero so that after we strangle him to death with barb wire we can look into the video camera and exclaim “HERE IS SUB ZERO… NOW… PLAIN ZERO.”

Lets hope that when gut check time comes again the Mets will pass it with flying colors.

by kendynamo on Nov 16, 2009 3:25 PM EST up reply actions  

Why does anyone take Mike Silva seriously?

I don’t read his blog, but every time I see him linked to here or at other blogs, he’s either being discredited or spouting ludicrous baseball analysis.

by englishgrey on Nov 16, 2009 12:03 PM EST reply actions  

That's my take as well.

Why bother giving him the site traffic? It only ends up rewarding bad behavior.

"He's definitely mixing it into his repertoire. That's French for 'repertoire' " - Keith Hernandez

by Catsmeat Potter-Pirbright on Nov 16, 2009 12:31 PM EST up reply actions  

You forgot

sarcasm-denoting air quotes around “analysis”.

by JoshNY on Nov 16, 2009 12:59 PM EST up reply actions  

No, no one takes Silva seriously.

I go there for the comedy, and to see a bunch of people bash him.
Watch him come here and troll later.

"We're investigating the investigative procedure of the investigation of Tony Bernazard"---Omar Minaya (he really didn't say it but he would"

by firejerrynow on Nov 16, 2009 3:41 PM EST up reply actions  

Andrew Friedman

He talks about “market inefficiencies” in his chat with DRays Bay. Does anyone think Omar Minaya has a clue what that term even means?

You know, since Friedman brings up the key “Moneyball” term, I’d like to mention that reading “Moneyball” today is a bit like reading Charles Darwin: it’s a total paradigm shifter, but there’s a lot that’s flat out wrong in it. Beane seemed to dismiss the importance of good defense, whereas Friedman appeared to make it the centerpiece of the 2008 AL Championship squad.

Meanwhile, here in the Stone Age, we’re seriously considering extending Jeff Francoeur over his lucky BABIP. I give up.

Somehow, a chain of events unfolded that put Steve Phillips in a professional broadcast booth Sunday night so he could rip Carlos Beltran. Try to explain that in any other terms.

by Greenpoint Ian on Nov 16, 2009 12:56 PM EST reply actions  

Times have changed

And so have the metrics. Beane’s dismissal of defense was based more on the fault of the evaluating metrics available at the time as well as the unpredictability of determining where balls in play go. (At least as I remember reading it) Now that there are more credible defensive stats I think Beane would value defense more.

by Reg Dunlop on Nov 16, 2009 3:38 PM EST up reply actions  

Yeah I think Beanes even mentioned since then

or at least Oakland beat writers have that they’ve shifted to valuing defense because now obp/slugging is getting overvalued in the market while defense is being undervalued.

by Gina on Nov 17, 2009 8:37 AM EST up reply actions  

Wang

No no no no no. The absurd increase in his HR rate might be chalked up to the new stadium, or injuries, or both, but his walk rate isn’t tremendously low, he’s not suddenly going to start striking guys out at 30 years old, and an extreme ground ball pitcher (whose ground ball rate has declined since 2006, by the way) should be a non-starter as a free agent unless and until the Mets pick up a 2B with good range. His reasonably low ERAs in 2006 and 2007 were lucky products of his defense, and his 19 wins each of those two years were almost entirely a product of the Yankees’ offense.

Although, kudos to Hot Foot Blog for the excellent title “Mets Could Use A Wang”.

by JoshNY on Nov 16, 2009 1:45 PM EST reply actions  

yeah but think of the great headlines to replace Putz' sole contribution last season

“Mets Minaya Plays with Wang signing”
“Mets Pay Too Much for Wang”
“Mets Wang a Little Stiff in loss to the Nationals”
“Mets Schedule Season-ending surgery on their Wang”

even “better” if they resign Putz for a setup man.

I.M. Forme
"When you get yourself into trouble is when you feel you have to do something, and then you get yourself in trouble." --Omar Minaya

by itsmetsforme on Nov 16, 2009 1:55 PM EST up reply actions  

true

but they really don’t measure up to headlines involving both “Yanks” and “Wang”.

by JoshNY on Nov 16, 2009 2:12 PM EST up reply actions  

NY blows load after they Yank their Wang

load would be a “typo,” it’s meant to be lead

"We must win and we must know how to win rather than win because we have statistical people."

by Evan_S on Nov 16, 2009 2:54 PM EST up reply actions  

Stuff

Joel Sherman: The Mets are not a desirable destination for hitters? Sure we are. As demonstrated by statistical analysis, Citi Field does not eat all that many home runs. Ultimatley, the almighty dollar trumps all.

Chien-Ming Wang: Personally, I think the Yankees would be stupid to dump Wang, especially considering his age and how much he makes, compared to what he’s done for the team over the last couple of years. But, if they don’t want him, I think Wang would be a great addition to the club. As a sinkerballer, he’ll benefit from Citi Field’s deeper dimensions than Yankee Stadium.

Jeff Francoeur: One more year, I have no problems, so long as he keeps up his hitting, and learns to walk. An extension, though? No, not really. Metsmerized is just making itself look/sound silly.

"Blinding ignorance does mislead us. O! Wretched mortals, open your eyes!"

by Brooklyn Dodgers Mets Fan on Nov 16, 2009 4:50 PM EST reply actions  

Silva criticized Tampa Bay

because a bucnh of their bloggers basically said he was an idiot.
Silva did not read How to Not Make Yourself look like an idiot while Blogging 101

"We're investigating the investigative procedure of the investigation of Tony Bernazard"---Omar Minaya (he really didn't say it but he would"

by firejerrynow on Nov 16, 2009 8:39 PM EST reply actions  

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