Where Chone Figgins Fits
The Mets apparently at least feigned interest in Chone Figgins at the GM meetings, but were concerned were he'd "fit" on the team. While that most likely means Castillo is blocking him at second, it's questionable whether Figgins, a third baseman, fits on the Mets at all. He carries the reputation of being "versatile," a label most often given to Mark DeRosa type players who have considerable experience at multiple positions, but hit too well to be bench players. Also, like DeRosa, Chone Figgins seems to be pretty bad at most of those positions:
| POS | INN | UZR | UZR/150 |
|---|---|---|---|
| 2B | 794.1 | -4.6 | -8.5 |
| 3B | 4513.1 | 23.4 | 8.0 |
| SS | 150.2 | -0.8 | -7.7 |
| LF | 242.2 | -3.5 | -17.7 |
| CF | 1918.0 | -5.7 | -3.5 |
| RF | 186.2 | -3.3 | -23.2 |
Often, when discussing versatility, experience gets overrated and skills underrated, because experience is more tangible. After a certain amount of time at a given position, a player can learn how to not embarrass himself, even if he doesn't have the range or the arm to play the position. DeRosa is the classic example. On the defensive spectrum from hardest to easiest to play: C->SS->2B->CF->3B->RF->LF->1B, DeRosa is good at RF and LF, and bad at SS, 2B, 3B, with no experience at C or CF. That's not to say he isn't versatile, there are certainly players who can't play the infield as passably as him, but if you asked most fans who's more versatile defensively: Mark DeRosa or Jose Reyes, they'd probably say DeRosa. If you put the two in either CF, SS, 2B, or 3B, though, I'd bet Reyes would outperform him easily, despite DeRosa's experience.
So when many look at Chone Figgins' fielding stats, they see a bunch of negative numbers and assume a similar situation, perhaps deservedly so. Specifically, there's concern whether Figgins will be a defensive improvement at second, where Castillo's biggest failing has been fielding. However, I'm optimistic that he would be a good defensive second baseman.
First, it's important to remember that you need about three years of UZR data before making a predictive claim about a players fielding performance. His per 150 game numbers for LF, RF, and SS are extremely low, but are the products of maybe 20 starts extrapolated to 150, making them basically meaningless. Just ignore those. The two positions where we have truly significant amounts of data on Figgins, CF and 3B, he's performed averagely and very well, respectively. Weighting his most recent performance and his infield performance more, his +16.7 2009 at 3B is certainly encouraging. Also, for what its worth, the two areas he struggled in playing 2B were errors and doubleplays, according to UZR, both of which are more easily learned than range or instincts. Given that I just encouraged you to disregard meaningless sample sizes, though, slicing the data even more like that is probably bad. In short, I think a +40 defender at 3B this season, according to Dewan's +/-, has a shot to be at least average at 2B, especially when the data doesn't conclusively say otherwise.
That's not to say I necessarily want the Mets to sign him. Offensively he sprays a ton of linedrives and has great plate discipline, hence the high OBPs. He doesn't have much power (career ISO<.100), but at his best is like a super-Luis Castillo. His total production offensively has been pretty streaky year-to-year, 2009 and 2007 were great, 2008 was bad, but his walk-rate has steadily increased throughout:
I actually agree with ol' Jerry Manuel on this one, Citi Field might suit Chone. The spacious outfields could help buoy his BABIP, and in turn his overall value.
In leftfield, Figgins is way too risky. One season removed from a .319 wOBA, with a questionable defensive track record, Figgins, the leftfielder, sounds like Daniel Murphy II. Speed doesn't necessarily mean range; if the Mets want range, they should just sign Mike Cameron. Some users have suggested moving Wright to first and Figgins playing third. While that'd probably optimal defensively, the franchise's all-time greatest position player isn't going to be asked to defer, especially when he's a perfectly fine third baseman himself.
Signing Figgins as a second baseman all depends on the price. He won't be a 6-WAR player next year at 2B, but could still be worth $10MM per, on a short term deal. Looking at BPro's baserunning statistics, Figgins' speed projects to be worth about +0.5 WAR. Using his namesake projection system for offense, and a really rough regression of his 2B UZR, that all adds up to ~3 WAR, a $12-$15 value. I'd hesitate to give another long-term contract to a "speed guy" on the wrong side of 30. Looking at comparable players on Baseball-Reference, 3 of the top 5 were retired by age 30. I don't know what that means, but surely nothing good.
Other considerations that make me secretly root for the Mets signing Figgins include: he's a fun player to watch, he has a really cool name, his ability to backup Wright, he has Utley Cove power, and most importantly, considerable grission:
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Great article
Interesting points. But the .gif is painful to watch. That would have been such an epic win.
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I guess my question is
Would the upgrade from him to Castillo be worth not only the 10 million we’re paying him, plus Castillo’s 6 million, or would we be better off sticking with Castillo and investing the money elsewhere, since I’m assuming we’re not going to be moving castillo without either eating his contract or taking on a worse one. Since I can’t imagine they’ll spend 16 million on second basemen AND sign a player like Holliday and a pitcher that is definitely superior to everyone not named Johan Oliver Perez on our roster.
Personally, I think that with most 2b FAs out there, and most 2bs theoretically availible through reasonable trade
we’re probably better off sticking with Castillo. We’re going to have to pay either all or most of his salary to any team that we might theoretically trade him to, on top of paying the salary of anyone who might take over the spot. I’d rather get crap out of Castillo, and pay him his damn $6 million dollars than trade him away, pay his damn $6 million dollars anyway, get someone else to play the position, and pay them $6 million dollars on top of it all, for a player who’s only a little better, defensively or offensively, than Castillo. I know in my AAOP, a lot of stuff didn’t happen, or got stuck, because of that.
"Blinding ignorance does mislead us. O! Wretched mortals, open your eyes!"
by Brooklyn Dodgers Mets Fan on Nov 17, 2009 9:01 AM EST up reply actions
The Mets seem eager to upgrade 2B
despite Castillo’s excellent year, which suggests the Mets doctors aren’t at all optimistic about his degenerate knees. Or maybe their interest in Figgins is just to drive the price up for the Phillies. And almost every AAOP wants to move Castillo albeit in some unrealistic scenarios.
Maybe I’m pessimistic, but I think a realistic projection for him is about 85 games and 1 WAR which means his 6 million is almost a sunk cost. Murphy at least has a chance to improve and Pagan could play LF. While we could really use an upgrade at 1B or LF, it’s easy to argue that 2B is as big of a need.
I would still strongly consider eating 2/3 – all of his contract, and signing a 2B like Polanco or Lopez if they could be had for reasonable deals.
by DoghouseBlues on Nov 17, 2009 9:21 AM EST up reply actions
I have no problem with Polanco or Lopez
I’m a big Lopez fan, I’d just disagree with signing someone who’s going to cost as much as Figgins.
Especially to risk move him to a new position
Am I crazy, but how come no one talks about moving Wright to 2nd as much or more than they talk about moving him to 1st.
by DoghouseBlues on Nov 17, 2009 9:30 AM EST up reply actions
I guess because of his struggles at 3rd
And because 2nd would be considered moving up the defensive scale. Plus the fact our front office is incapable of thinking outside the box. I think moving him to second could make sense, I just don’t think there’s anyway it happens with this team, they seem to be stuck into a stereotypical idea of a second basemen.
I think Wright is an exception to the defensive scale.
I’m definitely no expert, but I think he has above average quickness and glove for 3B and a below average arm, so I think he might actually be better or at least as good at 2B—which would make him even more valuable than at 3rd.
by DoghouseBlues on Nov 17, 2009 9:43 AM EST up reply actions
Totally agree
Wright’s d is really hurt by his arm, but his range is fantastic. He seems like a good shot to be a decent 2B.
I think, considering the money
Lopez or Polanco would be better fits than FIggins.
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Grission
He’s wearing a normal shirt and Cano is wearing some sort of hoodie. That’s got to count for something.
figgins
reality check/at 10M/ chone is to expensive for the wilpons, I think omar is just trying to drive up the asking price to keep the phils from signing him. omar’s #1 priority before apr is unloading castillo and perez on some unsuspecting suckers
Unless he clones himself, I don't know if there are any takers...
"Blinding ignorance does mislead us. O! Wretched mortals, open your eyes!"
by Brooklyn Dodgers Mets Fan on Nov 17, 2009 10:06 AM EST up reply actions
I think Omar should call the Royals every day this offseason
until they break down and take Castillo and Perez
"[The Giants] beat us down. We were beat by a grown-man team, a team we want to be like one day. They came in here and took it to us. Out-manned us, out-gunned us. ... It wasn't even close." - Raheem Morris, 9/27/09
and Castillo would give them the veteran leadership (now with rings!) they so desperately need
"[The Giants] beat us down. We were beat by a grown-man team, a team we want to be like one day. They came in here and took it to us. Out-manned us, out-gunned us. ... It wasn't even close." - Raheem Morris, 9/27/09
One goal this offseason
should be to acquire players whose values may exceed their costs.
Chone Figgins will likely be worth the money he signs for but is not a good bet to be worth substantially more.
This is also why I think we should spend money on Cameron instead of Holliday and Harden instead of Lackey.
If Hollidays going to be getting a 19 million per contract I agree
But if he signs for 16-17 million while he may not outproduce it as much as Cameron will outproduce his contract he’d be a long-term solution for a position we have long-term questions for where as Cameron would just be a stop gap and leave us searching for an answer the next year.
Of course that’s assuming they don’t think Frenchy is the long-term answer for rf, f-mart being the other long-term answer. In which case all this posturing doesn’t matter cause we’re screwed.
I hate to say it
But I think the best way to use Figgins to improve the Mets in the short term would be to let him play third and move Wright to 1B, at least temporarily. I think this only really makes sense if Figgins can be had on a shorter type deal, and the plan would be to consider moving Wright back to 3B at some point. Maybe even during this year if Ike Davis tears of Triple-A. Having all three on the roster and Wright available at 1B would really open up some flexibility. Against lefties you could put Wright and Figgins the corners. Against righties, it would all be a question of defense. If Figgins plays a capable 2B, he could shift over there, Wright back to 3B, Davis in at 1B. Or if Pagan and Francoeur are having disappointing seasons, either Davis or Figgins could be tried in RF. And at the very least, if Davis does prove ready, having Figgins as a super util bench guy would be a good problem to have, and probably a tradable asset of that appears to be the best use of his value, since Davis isn’t costing you anything extra.
Short term wise, Wright would lose some value at 1B, but I have to believe the combo of Figgins and Wright at the corner infield spots would be more productive than the combo of Murphy and Wright. Having to focus less on throwing, Wright might be able to recoup some defensive value, and rather than trying to right everything he did wrong in 2009 at once, he could focus simply on range and receiving, rather than his historically questionable throwing. And there would still probably be some room to add a power bat to LF. I might not even mind Jason Bay at this point if the deal is something like 4/60. His defense is cruddy, but pair him with someone like Endy or Jerry Owens and you can buffer that a bit.
"All energy flows according to the whims of the great magnet
What a fool I was to defy him"
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by Mark Himmelstein on Nov 17, 2009 2:11 PM EST reply actions
In some parallel universe of our own in 2010
our infield is Figgins, Reyes, Wright, and Davis and, my word, it’s a good infield!
by TheBigStapler on Nov 17, 2009 3:16 PM EST up reply actions
What makes you think that?
Of all established players I’d imagine getting pissy about a position change, Wright would be just about last on my list of “excpected to throw a hissy fit”. He might not love the idea, but if Figgins is the direction the team decides to take, its the best way to improve, and I’m pretty confident Dubs would recognize that. Just give him some nonsense about Kevin Youkilis’ jewelery, I don’t think it’d be a huge issue.
"All energy flows according to the whims of the great magnet
What a fool I was to defy him"
-HST
by Mark Himmelstein on Nov 17, 2009 3:45 PM EST up reply actions
Is it really the best way to improve?
Paying Figgins 10 million to play anywhere seems like a meh proposition. I imagine paying less for Nick Johnson or Adam Laroche to play first would be just as good.
Don't disagree with you at all
I don’t think Figgins is the right guy to go after. But if he were signed, I just think this would be the most efficient way to build the daily lineups.
"All energy flows according to the whims of the great magnet
What a fool I was to defy him"
-HST
by Mark Himmelstein on Nov 17, 2009 4:25 PM EST up reply actions

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