Jauss Applesauce - Mets go with Jauss as bench coach, Backman seems like shadow manager, Marquis and Mets are "perfect fit"
by Joe Budd on Nov 18, 2009 8:28 AM EST
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Meet the Mets
Bart Hubbuch writes that Wally Backman would be the logical heir to Jerry Manuel should the Mets dump their manager mid-season. Jason Fry is a little hesitant to take that risk. At this point, I can see the Mets going with Backman to appease the grission crowd, but it would be odd to jump over a candidate like Tim Teufel who has been a loyal, competent, and controversy-free manager in the Met minor league system for a few years already.
Speaking of Met coaches/managers, the new bench coach is Dave Jauss.
Carlos Beltran continues to be a class act off the field.
Jason Marquis thinks that his home town Mets are a perfect fit as his new home. The guy was an All-Star AND won 15 games...
Ben Shpigel puts in a pitch for Carlos Delgado. I'm starting to think that he might be the best choice at this point.
The Mets have shown some interest in John Smoltz this off-season who has mentioned that he'd be willing to go to the bullpen as well.
Around the NL East
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Backman? Why?
Personally, I want an experienced guy to manage the Mets, ala La Russo or someone of that ilk. These ’86 guys should work their way up through the ranks like everyone else. I could see Hojo getting a shot over Backman. He has been in the Mets organization for years and has come up through the ranks. Let Backman be a bench coach or something first at the ML level. Sheesh, the dude is like one degree removed from the still smoking train wreck that his life was, nowhere near being ready to manage in the majors. It kills me that just because someone was on the ‘86 team, we should ignore all of the dysfunctional garbage that they do and just say all is forgiven in an effort to turn back the clock. It’s pathetic. Damn, do the Mets need a championship so that we can get beyond this ‘86 team stuff.
by MJ20 on Nov 18, 2009 9:17 AM EST reply actions 1 recs
He is the best around.
"He's definitely mixing it into his repertoire. That's French for 'repertoire' " - Keith Hernandez
by Catsmeat Potter-Pirbright on Nov 18, 2009 9:50 AM EST up reply actions 1 recs
And nobody's gunna bring him down.
If there's ever a riot at Citi Field and Oliver Perez was the starter, I started the riot.
by meigs1414 on Nov 18, 2009 12:29 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
I don't believe it for a minute
The Wilpons care deeply about media relations and about being perceived well, and after Omar’s disastrous 2009, they’re not going to go anywhere near a guy who could blow up.
by SuperT on Nov 18, 2009 10:39 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
It's not the 86 stuff
Backman’s reputation as a player was the he was a gritty gamer. He was developing a a reputation as a manager as fiery no nonsense guy.
Since most of the MSM, mainstream bloggers, and FAN callers think that these are all things this Mets team is missing and why the Phillies win champtionships, it makes sense that they would be touting him as the heir.
The fact that he can provide warm and fuzzy memories of 86 is just icing on the cake.
by Reg Dunlop on Nov 18, 2009 11:43 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
yup
if it was just ’86 stuff, HoJo and Teufel would be just as attractive candidates as Backman
"[The Giants] beat us down. We were beat by a grown-man team, a team we want to be like one day. They came in here and took it to us. Out-manned us, out-gunned us. ... It wasn't even close." - Raheem Morris, 9/27/09
by cjmulrain on Nov 18, 2009 12:55 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Zito Territory For Lackey?
Wow, that’s a stretch…
by Joe D. on Nov 18, 2009 9:21 AM EST reply actions 0 recs
Marquis is a great fit for the Mets
A mediocre pitcher for a mediocre team! Hurrah!
by deadspy3 on Nov 18, 2009 9:24 AM EST reply actions 0 recs
I would've gone with
“a mediocre pitcher coming off a career year (in which he was still only slightly better than average) and a team with a GM that’s stupid enough to think 15 wins means he’s a good investment.”
Re. Smoltz, he was good in his limited time with the Cardinals and very good during the short amount of time he was healthy in 2008. I mean, even with the Red Sox when he wasn’t really healthy, his K:BB blows Marquis out of the water. Plus he’s got experience pitching out of the bullpen so he could be used there if your other rotation options worked out well. Wouldn’t be the worst investment if he’d agree to a contract with some health-based incentives. Still, it’d feel a little dirty.
by JoshNY on Nov 18, 2009 9:46 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
To be fair to Minaya,
he let Steve Trachsel and his shiny 15 wins walk after the ’06 season without a second thought. He also basically kicked Al Leiter out the door which was a very smart and tough PR move since he had a very lucky 3.21 ERA and had been the Mets ace/fan favorite for basically 7 years.
by Sokojoe on Nov 18, 2009 10:08 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Traschel also had an ERA that was almost 5
His 2006 season might be the definition of bad pitchers that get a lot of wins because of good offensive production. He also screwed the team (possibly) in the playoffs when he left the game early in the Game 3 of the NLCS against the Cardinals (after giving up 5 run), which taxed the bullpen and might have changed how things went, if he started in place Maine in Game 6, and then Maine starting in Game 7…He definitely was a FA when the team was down on him.
"Blinding ignorance does mislead us. O! Wretched mortals, open your eyes!"
by Brooklyn Dodgers Mets Fan on Nov 18, 2009 10:28 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Right
but ,as with Leiter, Omar has shown more restraint with signing bad pitchers than he is given credit for. Sure, Trachsel was an easy decision but Leiter was not. I’m not saying I want Minaya running this team but calling him “a GM that’s stupid enough to think 15 wins means he’s a good investment” is a bit unfair imo.
by Sokojoe on Nov 18, 2009 10:34 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
"15 wins means he's a good investment" = Oliver Perez, 3/$36
Sure, he was a year removed from his 15-win season, but…Well, Omar MInaya thought he was a good investment.
"Blinding ignorance does mislead us. O! Wretched mortals, open your eyes!"
by Brooklyn Dodgers Mets Fan on Nov 18, 2009 10:41 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
I think you're oversimplfying
and also making assumptions that you can’t know. I think Omar may have seen potential or maybe he was attached since trading Nady for Hernandez and Perez was one of his crowning acheivements circa mid-season 07, I dont know but we def cant say that he thought it was a good investment because of the 15 wins two seasons prior.
by Sokojoe on Nov 18, 2009 11:17 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
You don't re-sign players unless you think they're going to perform for your team
Perez’ only bright spot in the past three years was his ‘07 season, where he performed admirably. The month or so he spent here in ’06 was bad, with the exception of that one CG shutout against the Braves. But, then again, Dave Mlicki also threw a CG shutout, so throwing singular CG shutouts aren’t necessarily indicative of above-average quality talent. His pitching in the 2006 postseason was better than anything we all could have expected, but still wasn’t all that impressive by anyone’s measure- impressive for Perez, yes, but 11.2 IP in two games, with an ERA of 4.63 isn’t exactly lights out or anything. Skipping his 2007 temporarily, his 2008 season wasn’t impressive, either: leading the league in walks with 105, walking almost 5 per 9 IP, his lowest K/9 rate in his career, an ERA of 4.25. His 2007 season- where his most impressive stat was his 15 wins (he threw only 177 IP, and sported a WHIP, BB/9, K/9 rates that weren’t his career best)- was his main selling point during his tenure with the Mets.
"Blinding ignorance does mislead us. O! Wretched mortals, open your eyes!"
by Brooklyn Dodgers Mets Fan on Nov 18, 2009 11:29 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
I don't know what we're talking about anymore
but if you’re saying that the reason primary Omar signed Perez was because he won 15 game two years prior to signing the contract then I respectfully disagree though neither of us can prove to be right or wrong here so to each his own and all that.
by Sokojoe on Nov 18, 2009 12:10 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
The above post demonstrates why his 15 wins in 2007 were the only real good thing that Perez did while on the Mets, and his only real selling point, realistically
"Blinding ignorance does mislead us. O! Wretched mortals, open your eyes!"
by Brooklyn Dodgers Mets Fan on Nov 18, 2009 12:45 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Still, while everyone agrees that Perez sucks
your post doesnt demostrate that wins from two years ago are what Omar was thinking about when he signed. You’re making an assumption. I am also making an assumption that Omar was thinking more about potential or being comfortable with “knowing” Perez or age or whatever. Neither of us can prove that we’re right so to each his own.
Also, when Scott Boras is you agent, you have an entire book worth of selling points and the primary one, which we all love, was that Perez is comparable to Sandy Koufax.
by Sokojoe on Nov 18, 2009 12:50 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Elaboration:
That is to say, Oliver Perez’ 15 wins in 2007 were the only things that could be cited in a positive manner during his tenure as a Met to warrant Omar Minaya re-signing him (for such an absurd contract, nonetheless). Would his slipping
"Blinding ignorance does mislead us. O! Wretched mortals, open your eyes!"
by Brooklyn Dodgers Mets Fan on Nov 18, 2009 12:51 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
I'd agree they were his only selling point from stats point
But I don’t think Minayas decision to sign him was based very much on stats. Unfortunately the assumption that Minaya thinks in “realistic” terms isn’t necessarily true. It seems likely that Minaya was convinced Oliver was going to magically not suck and live up to his “upside”. Unfortunately, at least IMO, the upside of Oliver is a myth that should have disappeared alongside of the 5 mph he lost on his fastball from 03 to present days.
by Gina on Nov 18, 2009 2:19 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
But Dave Mlicki
pitched a complete game shut out for the first ever game against the Yankees, and struck out Derek Jeter for the final out.
"I was so frustrated [Saturday], I [could have said] anything," ~Oliver Perez
by Lance Johnson on Nov 20, 2009 6:55 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
ok, fine
how about “a GM that’s stupid enough to think a pitcher who’ll be 31 next year and is coming off only his second good MLB season is a good investment”?
by JoshNY on Nov 18, 2009 11:16 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
I got what you were saying first time around
Semantics aside.
I agree with your take on Smoltz, and even if he could provide 100 innings between the rotation/bullpen before his shoulder explodes again I’d welcome him.
by James Kannengieser on Nov 18, 2009 11:30 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
if Smoltz joins the Mets
I’d have to become a braves fan to get away from him. He is evil and his satanic rituals have no place on my mediocre ballclub.
I.M. Forme
"When you get yourself into trouble is when you feel you have to do something, and then you get yourself in trouble." --Omar Minaya
by itsmetsforme on Nov 18, 2009 12:30 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
... satanic rituals?
I mean, his Wikipedia page says he’s with Jeff Foxworthy, so presumably he has a shitty sense of humor, but I don’t think that makes him evil.
by JoshNY on Nov 18, 2009 4:56 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
that is to say
“he’s friends with Jeff Foxworthy”
by JoshNY on Nov 18, 2009 4:57 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Big difference
"Blinding ignorance does mislead us. O! Wretched mortals, open your eyes!"
by Brooklyn Dodgers Mets Fan on Nov 19, 2009 12:20 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Word,
your statement just made me think of Leiter and Trachsel which were part of a good start from the the Minaya regime. I like to stay positive and its been a while (months) since I’ve complemented Minaya for something so I had to take the oppurtunity.
by Sokojoe on Nov 18, 2009 12:12 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Actually, if his price is reasonable, Marquis IS a good fit for the Mets---
That’s IF his price is reasonable, and IF it’s for something like 2 years with a 3rd year based on IP, and IF it’s not with anything other than the expectation that Marquis will throw around 200 innings of average to slightly above average baseball.
THAT has a lot of value. Fangraphs has Marquis as being worth $32 million over the last three years. It takes some very good pitching to be worth that much. But Marquis should only be signed if the Mets are also going to sign another, better starter. If Marquis is their only SP acquisition, we’re probably f*cked.
by SeanSchirmer on Nov 18, 2009 5:53 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
He'll be their only SP acquisition
and they’ll overpay.
because we’re the mets.
by Gina on Nov 18, 2009 6:15 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Stuffs
I don’t think Backman would be a good manager, when Jerry gets canned. At least, lets give him some time to manage in an “actual” (no knock against those independent teams he managed) team in the organization, and work his way up the ranks, gaining experience and whatnot. Teufel is a good theoretical replacement for Jerry, sure why not. Backman can get to the back of the line.
Jason Marquis is a perfect fit with the Mets just like, if I tried, I could jam my feet into shoes two sizes smaller. Of course Marquis is going to say he’s a perfect fit. Marquis is as good a fit as an overpaid back-of-the-rotation starter can be with this team. So, he’ll probably get a 3-year, $30 million dollar contract.
I’m of mixed opinions about Delgado. He showed in his limited playing time that the psychological factor of Citi Field didn’t affect him, hitting 3 of his 4 HRs at home. Coming off his surgery, though…I guess a big factor will be how he does in rehab winterball (he is playing, right?). In the end, I think that there are AL teams looking for power that would be more willing to give Delgado a larger contract than we might.
What good is John Smoltz going to be? I don’t really see it. We already have Nelson Figueroa as that starter who really isn’t all that great, but decent enough, who can pitch out of the bullpen or start. Smoltz will probably come at an Alex Cora-like price: based on the name, and not the performance.
"Blinding ignorance does mislead us. O! Wretched mortals, open your eyes!"
by Brooklyn Dodgers Mets Fan on Nov 18, 2009 9:30 AM EST reply actions 0 recs
sadly, i've never watched greinke pitch
were any of his games televised nationally? it’s the royals. and he never faced the yanks in 09.
by letsgocyclones on Nov 18, 2009 9:55 AM EST reply actions 0 recs
Basically, he pitched deep into most games, and made most hitters look silly.
I know he pitched in the All-Star Game, which was nationally televised, but other than that, probably not. I don’t pay too much attention to the AL, though, so…Maybe a game on Saturday afternoon or something.
"Blinding ignorance does mislead us. O! Wretched mortals, open your eyes!"
by Brooklyn Dodgers Mets Fan on Nov 18, 2009 10:00 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
I pay the for the overpriced mlb.tv package
Its hard to justify the cost but watching Grienke this season pretty much made it worth it to me. Basically, the only reason I get it is to watch great starters as I never really put on a game because of a specific batter, except Ichiro, he’s so hot right now, Ichiro.
by Sokojoe on Nov 18, 2009 10:14 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Damn that Hansel.
He’s so hot right now.
by JoshNY on Nov 18, 2009 11:16 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
It's a walk-off!
"I dunno. I never smoked any Astroturf"
-Tug McGraw
by squid92 on Nov 18, 2009 1:02 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
The idiocy continues...
This fetishizing of the 86 Mets needs to stop.
And Jason Marquis sounds like someone begging for a date to the prom. If the Mets are seduced by this “I’m from NY” garbage, they’re even dumber than I thought.
by Bieser's Balk on Nov 18, 2009 10:29 AM EST reply actions 0 recs
if he really wants to come play here
2 years, $6M/year
by JoshNY on Nov 18, 2009 11:18 AM EST up reply actions 1 recs
Forget the Backman nonsense
Who is Dave Jauss and why is he a better bench coach than former managers Bob Melvin and Eric Wedge? Sounds like Manuel took to least qualified candidate.
by Major on Nov 18, 2009 11:10 AM EST reply actions 0 recs
In regards to the managers
you just have Teufel manage against lefties and Backman against righties.
by dtro on Nov 18, 2009 12:36 PM EST reply actions 2 recs
Has anybody thought about how Backman manages a short season team?
The Cyclones won’t even play a game until June. If the team want to replace Manuel with Backman midseason, he won’t have had any experience within the organization.
by TheBigStapler on Nov 18, 2009 12:48 PM EST reply actions 0 recs
Clearly this was designed
to maximize the number of months we could steal the backpages from the Yankees with the media frenzy over whether/when Manuel would be fired… Do we have any cross country night games in late June/early July?
by Gina on Nov 18, 2009 2:22 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
We got a four game series against the Giants right after the All-Star break. The stars might align just right...
"Blinding ignorance does mislead us. O! Wretched mortals, open your eyes!"
by Brooklyn Dodgers Mets Fan on Nov 18, 2009 3:14 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
This is what I would like to believe
Backman got hired as the usual Cyclone deal: get an ex -Met to manage and put fannies in the seats. It’s just that Wally’s so full of himself he doesn’t get it and thinks he’s on his way back to the majors. BUT…I do have to remind everyone (if my memory is correct): Backman was managing in the White Sox system and got fired when he told Ron Gardenhire to beat the Sox so the manager could get fired and he (Wally) could take over. Anybody remember who was the manager of the Sox at the time? Weren’t his initials JM?
by StorkFan on Nov 18, 2009 10:03 PM EST reply actions 0 recs
I must have gone to about 15 Cyclones games last year. They don't have trouble getting people in the seats there.
"Blinding ignorance does mislead us. O! Wretched mortals, open your eyes!"
by Brooklyn Dodgers Mets Fan on Nov 19, 2009 12:22 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
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