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Why Omar Minaya Failed And What It Means For The Future

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On July 27, 2002, Omar Minaya, then General Manager of the Montreal Expos, traded Lee Steven, Brandon Phillips, Grady Sizemore, and Cliff Lee to Mark Shapiro's Indians for Bartolo Colon and Tim Drew.

In 2002, Major League Baseball owned the Expos. The offseason before, the Expos had narrowly avoided contraction, because the Twins, the other team in line for contraction, had another year on their lease of the Metrodome. In a month the league would agree to a new collective bargaining agreement that barred contraction, but at the time it still seemed a possibility. So MLB's proxy GM, Minaya, looked for a player to maybe help the Expos win a Wild Card berth, a parting gift for Montreal. 

One of the many front-office personnel the Expos shed under their reorganization by MLB was Tony LaCava, their farm director. He jumped to the Indians as a cross-checker. When Omar Minaya called Mark Shapiro about Bartolo Colon, Tony LaCava handpicked the prospects the Indians would receive. When the trade was announced, Shapiro, like Bill Smith would be six years later, was denounced as a young GM over his head. It also marked the first time, Minaya got "his guy" in a trade. 

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I recall this point in baseball history because it has much to do with why both of these men are currently employed as general managers. Both of these general managers are also coming off 90-loss seasons in the wake of playoff aspirations. Omar Minaya and Mark Shapiro, however, couldn't be more different.

Omar Minaya is a former pro-baseball player, drafted out of high school. Early in Minaya's tenure with the Mets, his success was championed as an exemplar of old-fashioned roster construction. Before Minaya lost "his guys," the process entailed conference call between his scouts, Sandy Johnson and Tony Bernazard, and his paperwork guy, John Ricco. This franchise doesn't just contrast the careful calculation of other front offices, it advertises the fact: "Paperwork, that's false hustle. It takes away creativity. People who are into paperwork are into covering their asses, so if things go wrong they can point to all the work they did." 

No team evidences false hustle better than the Indians. Mark Shapiro graduated from Princeton and has a reputation as one of the smartest GM's in baseball. Like Minaya, Shapiro surrounded himself with men of similar background--his sidekick Chris Antonetti is a Georgetown man. The Indians under Shapiro have developed a process, which involves a lot of "paperwork," most famously, the proprietary DiamondView system, supposed to quantify a players' holistic value. As Antonetti described the goal of DiamondView: "There's still this level of variability, but we've reduced it to the smallest level we can." The Indians, the front office, are the progressive group many Mets fans clamor for, but the Indians, the team, are the 90-game losers Mets fans are sick of watching.

Therein is an interesting point of comparison: how did these two seemingly polar-opposite executives, who launched each other's career with the most lopsided trade of the decade, end up at a similar point? Of course, there's no easy answer--'They both forgot to hit the win button!'--and the two situations are, to an extent, unique. Still, one would expect the American League's smartest GM and the National League's highest payroll to battle for the playoffs, not the sixth pick in the first-year player draft. 

A recent post at Let's Go Tribe entitled "Fire Everyone! - Mark Shapiro" came up with an answer, thought not a completely comfortable one. The article was the last in a series of posts on why, obviously, everyone should be fired, so there's a sense the author is playing devil's advocate. Still, he raises an interesting point about the nature of the GM's job, and this article is largely an addendum to it, so give it a read too. The crux of his argument and the cliff notes version of the post is neatly summarized here:

For all that, however, the brilliant executive can't necessarily tell you whether it's better to overspend on Raul Ibañez or Kerry Wood.  He can't necessarily devise a process to tell you that, and he can't necessarily hire the right person to tell you that, either.  Nor can he devise a process to hire the right person to tell you that.  It doesn't always come down to objective analysis or having a good process.  Sometimes it comes down to talent: the talent to play, the talent to evaluate talent, the talent to develop talent, and the judgment to make decisions about talent.

Jay argues that evaluating talent, if not innate, is at least a skill in and of itself. The Colon-trade was Shapiro's signature move, but LaCava, the scout, handpicked the players he would receive. The laundry list of players Shapiro has acquired from horse-trading is impressive, but none match up to Lee-Sizemore-Phillips. In fact, with Huntington and LaCava long gone, is it coincidence that the returns on Cliff Lee and Victor Martinez were so underwhelming?

Maybe, but I am more interested in the way this situation runs counter to the assessment I constantly hear, and occasionally have given, of Omar Minaya: "He's a great scout and evaluator of talent, but is too sloppy with resources. The Mets would be better suited with a more statistically-inclined GM." Is this Shapiro/Minaya comparison a two parts to whole situation, where one lacks the scouting acumen, the other a supercomputer called DiamondView?

First, consider Minaya's scouting reputation. Starting out as an international scout with the Rangers, he signed Sammy Sosa. That's the kind of signing you can hang your hat on, and Minaya has, as the other players he signed include non-entities: Chris Colon, Ruben Mateo, Jorge Toca, and Timo Perez(!). He also signed Fernando Tatis and Joaquin Benoit, who became pretty good players. Still, including my performance-enhanced namesake, not exactly the greatest list in the world, but a good one.

This reputation comes equally from his supposed ability to "identify players who can help the Mets" and get them, irrespective of costs. It sounds basic, but seemingly describes whatever Shapiro lacked when deciding "whether it's better to overspend on Raul Ibañez or Kerry Wood," as Jay says. Call them Minaya's guys, as in "Omar got his guy" or Minaya's favorite synonym for person.

It started with his two biggest free-agent pick-ups: Pedro Martinez and Carlos Beltran. Pedro's talent was obvious, but the contract was a minor disaster as he was injured through most of it. Minaya claimed that Pedro "made the brand," i.e. made the Mets more attractive to international free agents, but the jury is still out on that one. His other big signing, Carlos Beltran, will undoubtedly go down as the biggest success of his tenure. Beltran, one of the few true five-tool players left in baseball, has been worth significantly more than his $18M/year. It's unclear to what extent Minaya predicted, or even knows, that to be true, as he likely just sought to get Beltran for the best price he could, without any precise estimation of his value. In fact, Beltran was supposedly someone Minaya didn't get the green light to sign in Texas. Carlos had been Minaya's guy for a while. 

When the Mets were at their best, in 2006, his guys were nearly always coming through. In a 2006 article, Dave Studeman identified ten players that Minaya picked up on the cheap and became integral parts of the great '06 squad: Chad Bradford, Darren Oliver, Duaner Sanchez, Pedro Feliciano, Jose Valentin, John Maine, Endy Chavez, Roberto Hernandez, Guillermo Mota, and Oliver Perez. Players like Jose Valentin, a guy no one else would expect to be a starting-caliber second baseman, were making Minaya look like a genius, like he had that something Mark Shapiro lacked. Those were ten moves that get you on the cover of Sports Illustrated, that made people pay attention when you started talking about "false hustle," as if it were secret knowledge.

In the conclusion to that piece, Studeman writes, "It may be luck, it may be skill. It may be the result of a team with money taking good calculated risks." Here's a hint: six of those players were relievers, the most luck-dependent players in baseball. Ultimately, though, time revealed the truth: it was luck. Even from that original list, of the seven he retained, five fizzled out, either from injuries or ineffectiveness. Regarding the other two, Endy Chavez was replaced by the awful Jeremy Reed and Pedro Feliciano became the last man standing in several subsequent bullpen failures.

Then, Minaya started to display some bad tendencies. He became too loyal to his guys: if a reliever with poor skills floundered in the first-half, Minaya would trust him to right the ship. Similarly, as if to underscore that he had done something right, Minaya would pay ridiculously over-market contracts to previous buy-low pick-ups, like Oliver Perez and Luis Castillo, negating the value that made the moves good in the first place. He proved unable to manage injury risks, entrusting Moises Alou and John Maine with serious duties while keeping no reliable back-ups on hand. Minaya's front office overreacted to small sample sizes, see: Omir Santos, Marlon Anderson, and Daniel Murphy. He gave away Heath Bell, Brian Bannister, and Darren O'Day.

Yet, none of these miscues sticks out as a particularly strong indictment of his ability's as a scout, just as a talent evaluator. Moises Alou was a great player, when he played. He was a horrible pick-up for a team that needed a reliable, everyday left-fielder. On the major league level, talent evaluation involves using the most accurate objective measures to evaluate a player's track record, something observation can't do reliably, in any sport or field. These past few years, the Mets would have been better suited with a Mark Shapiro-type, with no particular scouting expertise, but an ability to objectively evaluate major-league talent and make sound business decisions. With a large payroll and the established core of Wright/Reyes, it seems the Mets badly needed some false hustle, some paperwork, some stability, not a huge gamble at 15 of the the 25 roster spots every season. 

But maybe it is too late for that. As fielding stats get more widely accepted, it seems a glorified Moneyball scenario, where a few teams with superior objective analysis carry an edge, is becoming less likely. As more players, are signing long-term deals with the teams that drafted them, and fewer are hitting free agency, the statistical analysis the Mets have been so neglectful of becomes just the baseline. Indeed, as Jay wrote about some of the most successful teams around the league: "it's noteworthy that other organizations that have gone with the 'Ivy League whiz kid' GM model tend to have a 'wise old baseball man' figure hanging close by, advising the gifted non-scout executive. The Red Sox had Bill Lajoie attached to Theo Epstein; Allard Baird is in that role now, while Lajoie is now advising Huntington in Pittsburgh. The Rays put Gerry Hunsicker with Andrew Friedman, and down in Texas, Jon Daniels has access to no less than John Hart and Nolan Ryan." With that pattern in mind, I was encouraged to read that the Wilpons convinced Sandy Johnson to stay out of retirement, allegedly in preparation for a non-Minaya centric front office. 

For similar reasons, these forces will also probably push forward the mythical symbiosis of scouting and statistics that everyone pays lip-service to but isn't quite sure what they're referring to. More than just pitchf/x and hitf/x, the observation of both amateur and professional talent will come down to hyper-specific scouting reports that use data and observation to spot trends of growth or deterioration in a player's skills. And maybe, even then, it will take some "wise old baseball man," with a special eye for talent, to build the best franchise. 

On December 10, 2008, the Mets, Indians, and Mariners completed a three-way trade, in which the Mariners received Aaron Heilman, Endy Chavez, Jason Vargas, Mike CarpEzequiel Carrera, Maikel Cleto, and Franklin Gutierrez. The Mets received J.J. Putz, Jeremy Reed, and Sean Green, while the Indians received Joe Smith and Luis Valbuena

This trade, for me, perfectly encapsulates two failed models for a front office and the future of a what it means to a successful one. Omar Minaya acquired a talented player with serious injury concerns, and severely downgraded two known major-league entities, presumably not knowing he did. Shapiro acquired a minor league infielder with good stats, but a "bad body" and mixed scouting reports. While there is plenty of time for him to improve, Valbuena was merely replacement level this season. Meanwhile, Jack Zduriencik, the long-time scouting director who understands and embraces statistical analysis, brought in a 6-WAR centerfielder and a boatload of interesting prospects. 

The Mets under Minaya were famed for embracing multiple perspectives, both of the scout and the statistician. Sadly, they failed to understand how those roles fit into a functioning front office. First, they need a reliable process for evaluating and valuing major league talent, a la the Indians. Then, they can get their "guys."

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Minaya....

…. will need to be replaced before any substantial improvement is made.

"We praise or blame as one or the other affords more opportunity for exhibiting our power of judgment." Friedrich Nietzsche, "Human,All Too Human" (1878)

by wgarrett on Nov 2, 2009 8:49 AM EST reply actions   0 recs

I agree.

Was thinking the same thing.

"It's like the old phrase goes.....The balls in your court now Mr.Church, so you take that ball, you dribble it up the court and....................................... get a layup"
- Keith Hernandez

by nrmax88 on Nov 3, 2009 1:51 AM EST up reply actions   0 recs

excellent analysis sam

remember when sports illustrated put minaya on the cover and called him the mix master? more like the ass master.

Lets hope that when gut check time comes again the Mets will pass it with flying colors.

by kendynamo on Nov 2, 2009 9:22 AM EST reply actions   0 recs

I think you're confusing Minaya with former GM, Steve Phillips

clearly he’s the ass master

"[The Giants] beat us down. We were beat by a grown-man team, a team we want to be like one day. They came in here and took it to us. Out-manned us, out-gunned us. ... It wasn't even close." - Raheem Morris, 9/27/09

by cjmulrain on Nov 2, 2009 10:08 AM EST up reply actions   0 recs

yeah thats true

there many orders of crapulence that omar can claim to master, but i believe the realm of ass now well and decidedly belongs to phillips

Lets hope that when gut check time comes again the Mets will pass it with flying colors.

by kendynamo on Nov 2, 2009 2:13 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

lofty post

Lets hope that when gut check time comes again the Mets will pass it with flying colors.

by kendynamo on Nov 2, 2009 2:12 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

well written

even though every time i look at the Putz trade i die a little more on the inside.

by KeithsMoustache on Nov 2, 2009 10:47 AM EST reply actions   0 recs

I hear you

At first, when it first happened, I was excited and optimistic. Even before the season began, though, I started having doubts- mainly from the loss of Carp and Smith.

"Blinding ignorance does mislead us. O! Wretched mortals, open your eyes!"

by Brooklyn Dodgers Mets Fan on Nov 2, 2009 2:36 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

I was never optimistic

The trade screamed to me that the Mets were Getting Serious about their bullpen problem and were going to Do Something About It, even though they had no idea how to actually make the necessary improvements. It was a trade to appease the tabloid back pages.

On another note, excellent post, Sam.

Somehow, a chain of events unfolded that put Steve Phillips in a professional broadcast booth Sunday night so he could rip Carlos Beltran. Try to explain that in any other terms.

by Greenpoint Ian on Nov 2, 2009 4:43 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

WTG, Sam.

Nice piece.

Oh, the butcher and the baker and the people on the street: wheredotheygo?!?!?

by CharlieH on Nov 2, 2009 12:34 PM EST reply actions   0 recs

Great stuff here, yo.

batting helmets. batting titles. obp.

by Durelo on Nov 2, 2009 2:18 PM EST reply actions   0 recs

Articles like these

are why Amazin’ Avenue is the premier Mets blog. Great job

"We must win and we must know how to win rather than win because we have statistical people."

by Evan_S on Nov 2, 2009 2:30 PM EST reply actions   0 recs

Great article,

and let’s face it, this guy needs to go. As a Mets’ fan, I’m insulted that
they have the stones to bring back this guy & Manuel; and before the
All-Star Break, we will probably have a new manager, because he just
won’t get it done.

by burtweidemeier on Nov 2, 2009 4:23 PM EST reply actions   0 recs

Is Ricco really a stats guy?

Didn’t he suggest the Francoeur trade?

by EtSuKe on Nov 2, 2009 5:04 PM EST reply actions   0 recs

its a team effort

the mets lead the league in delta frequent flier miles
they racked up the most between Buffalo and New York

"We're investigating the investigative procedure of the investigation of Tony Bernazard"---Omar Minaya (he really didn't say it but he would"

by firejerrynow on Nov 2, 2009 7:42 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

good piece

but you can’t write off his acquisitions of good relievers as luck and then criticize him for giving away relievers. not to mention if you look at the rule V draft, minaya was the only person to actually hit on his pick (outside of everth cabrera); so he would’ve been better off drafting somebody bad like everyone else.

and do you really think they bought into santos, or just knew they couldn’t count on castro to stay healthy? and minaya wasn’t the only one to buy into murphy for this year; most of us thought murphy would be solid, and keith law was sold on his bat in a platoon role this year.

on the whole though, good stuff.

by firejerrymanuel on Nov 2, 2009 6:27 PM EST reply actions   0 recs

The acquisitions were good

the relievers were just a little lucky, thats why the acquisitions probably looked better at the time than than they were. Your criticisms are fair, though.

by Sam Page on Nov 2, 2009 7:12 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

Sam...

Having re-read this post, I noticed that not once, did you acknowledge:

“you know what I’m sayin’ "

I thought I’d just point that out.

by fxcarden on Nov 2, 2009 7:32 PM EST reply actions   0 recs

Excellent, Excellent post

"We're investigating the investigative procedure of the investigation of Tony Bernazard"---Omar Minaya (he really didn't say it but he would"

by firejerrynow on Nov 2, 2009 7:40 PM EST reply actions   0 recs

Hey, visiting from LetsGoTribe, I’m the author of the article cited in this one. Not sure if anyone will see it at this point, but I wanted to offer some perspective and feedback on this topic.

First thing is, everyone should understand, there is no either-or when it comes to the job of the GM. Every GM needs to be able to maintain an organization that can identify and develop talent, and every GM needs to understand contract valuation and managing a budget. The Indians may present a case where they do everything right except identifying and developing talent, and you see the results.

At the same time, there have been litearlly dozens of GM failures where a highly respected evaluator got a shot at the top job and simply had no idea how to deal with contracts and budgets. Dayton Moore would seem to be the operative example right now, but two the most colossally dumb GMs of this decade, Ed Wade and Bill Bavasi, would seem to fit this description as well.

Minaya? Maybe, maybe not. One of the interesting things about the Colon Deal is that Minaya has made clear many times that he only makes that deal if the Expos allegedly are going to be contracted. We can never know what deal he does or doesn’t make for Colon if he doesn’t think they’re going to be contracted anyway. We also can never know what deal Shapiro makes for Colon, with the Expos or with anyone else, if he can’t get those three prospects.

by Jay on Nov 4, 2009 5:47 PM EST reply actions   0 recs

Now about Diamondview …

I think Sam Page has misconstrued Antonetti’s statements and mine a little bit. Nobody in the Indians organization would suggest that Diamondview is running the team, anymore than home runs are hit by bats. Stripping away the mysticism, Diamondview is just a database — nothing more, nothing less. They have some advanced metrics programmed into it, some commonly known ones and lots of custom ones as well, but that just makes it a spreadsheet.

It also stores scouting reports, and one of the really interesting things Shapiro did is to unify the terminology (or nomenclature) that people were using across the organization, so that a “60” means the same thing regardless of what scout marks it down, or words like “curve” or “pitchability” or anything else. This is really smart stuff, although again, obviously no substitute for having gifted evaluators.

One of the interesting tidbits I found when I interviewed Antonetti was that they track statements made by players to the media — they like to have an easy reference as to whether a given player tends to take responsibility for what happens on the field vs. maybe throwing his teammates under the bus, blaming the umps, etc. I did ask Antonetti point-blank, do the Indians boil each player’s value (and contract value) down to a single number? And he said, very clearly, no. It’s too complicated a question to boil down to a number, like FanGraphs “Value” or SuperVorp or whatever.

They also track mentions of players in conversations with other teams, to get a rough sense of how interested teams may be in moving certain players. They are constantly tracking players of interest in other systems, apparently with a lot of detail. I think a year before they traded for Asdrubal Cabrera, he was on a list of possibly dozens of prospects that the Indians would like to acquire — he fit a certain statistical profile, a certain scouting profile. Also, an organizational profile — because of others in their system, the Mariners were likely to undervalue him.

I mention all this because it really puts the lie to what Minaya calls “false hustle.” There is no “false” to any of this “hustle.” It is very, very sharp work, putting in the time to gather vast amounts of disparate data types in little bytes and aggregate it together into something powerful. It has produced real value. Beyond evaluation and analytical issues, the Indians must be given credit for being meticulous and patient in finding the very best offer for their players in trades. I may not love the Cliff Lee deal right now, but I don’t doubt that it was the best offer out there. It’s better than the Jays did get, or will get, for Halladay.

For these and other reasons, Shapiro’s track record on trades cannot be given to Tony LeCava or any other evaluator. If you look at my article, you see a very, very long list of prospects acquired by Shapiro, and particularly for the position players, nearly all of them eventually found some major league success. Two of the very worst ones are Andy Marte and Alex Escobar. Marte had a huge year (age 25) in Triple-A this year, so maybe he won’t remain a bust forever, maybe he’s just a late-bloomer like Carlos Peña. Escobar, as you probably know, broke his leg, still led Triple-A in home runs the next year, still led the AL in outfield assists despite only playing in 90 games that year … my point is that even his worst acquisitions didn’t look terrible. His best ones didn’t come entirely at Minaya’s expense — he also acquired Travis Hafner, Franklin Gutierrez, Asdrubal Cabrera, Coco Crisp, it’s just a huge list. (And by the way, over at LGT, we are thrilled to have Luis Valbuena, and we rate that deal — Gutierrez for Valbuena and Joe Smith — as a very good one for Shapiro.)

So it’s a mistake to view the Indians as a stats-only organization. For one thing, talk about stats savvy vastly oversimplifies and underrates what they have done to maximize value in decision-making. For another, they clearly care a great deal about subjective evaluation and scouting. The hypothesis isn’t that they are too stats-oriented. The hypothesis is that they aren’t very good at hiring and utilizing good evaluators (etc.), and they simply may not realize how mediocre they are in that area.

Shapiro may also have a problem with being in love with his own hires. He clearly did not think Eric Wedge should have been fired, and his reason for thinking that seems to be that Eric Wedge is a totally great guy. I imagine it’s a similar story with John Mirabelli, who has been the head of scouting since 2000 or so. Nobody can really explain how he still has a job.

Anyway, sorry for the long length, hope this sheds some light on your deconstruction of your own front office.

by Jay on Nov 4, 2009 5:49 PM EST reply actions   0 recs

comment titles are good! join us!

Any mysticism I portrayed DiamondView with was strictly tongue-in-cheek. I was well aware that it was a database and the variety of non-statistical measures that is stores. Any reference to it as “false hustle” was mocking Minaya’s characterization of such things. I have long-held respect for the processes and advances in player evaluation that the Indians do, although that doesn’t change my mind about Shapiro, who I think is an ok GM, not great GM as many would call him.

I also don’t think I “gave away” his track record of trades to anyone, although by your own admission, LaCava had a big hand in his best trade. I suggested my readers also read your article, because I didn’t see the point in rehashing every single prospect he’s acquired.

Nor do I see where I portrayed the Indians as a “stats-only” organization. If I had intended this question as at all serious:

Is this Shapiro/Minaya comparison a two parts to whole situation, where one lacks the scouting acumen, the other a supercomputer called DiamondView?

I would not have had to write that much. I would merely have stated my over-simplified and general conclusion and been done with it. The whole article has overtones of “you need stats and subjective analysis,” but that’s not because I interpreted your original piece as saying the Indians failed because they had no scouts, I merely used it as a springboard for thinking about the nature of talent evaluation.

P.S. I don’t know why you’re thrilled about the Gutierrez trade. I understand why you might like it in the long run, but I think he clearly lost that trade as it presently stands.

by Sam Page on Nov 4, 2009 6:36 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

Sorry, in my “false hustle” comments, I meant only to amplify the criticism of Minaya. I didn’t mean it as a response to your views.

Re: the Valbuena deal, it may be that we have a large-vs-small market disconnect. We traded four seasons of Gutierrez, only one at minimum salary, for 11 seasons of Valbuena and Smith, five of them at minimum salary. If both guys are serviceable major leaguers, that is a substantial net gain in player assets. It is a lot less important for the Mets and Mariners continuously to gather pre-arbitration talent than it is for the Indians to do so.

Based on talent alone, it’s closer, but I think we have different assessments of these guys. Gootz is absolutely stellar in CF, but that isn’t that much more valuable than a solid defender at 2B — if at all. Gootz has struggled to make consistent contact his entire career, and given his age, it’s more likely he ran into some luck this year than he suddenly changed his offensive profile. There is some chance he will be an offensive threat in the future. There is a much better chance he will be an anchor in the lineup at some points. Trust me, I’ve been following this guy for years now.

Valbuena is much younger, and I believe he will end up being the better all-around hitter of the two. Plus, Joe Smith at some point will be a contributor.

by Jay on Nov 4, 2009 7:33 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs


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