Reader Poll: Omar's Future
Given how Omar Minaya kept his job, despite a massive shift in popular opinion last season, I'm wondering how fans view this coming season in relation to his job security. Please read all of the options before voting.
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The problem is
It’s entirely possible the Wilpons would find someone worse.
Like who, Sabean?
Or Colletti, or Cerone, or the guys from Mama’s?
by BobbyV_Incognito on Nov 22, 2009 5:36 PM EST up reply actions
yeah
I hear the hday1/hday7 guy lobby for a front office position
"Solo homers usually come with no one on base." -Ralph Kiner
No credibility means no way I want him back
The Jose Guiilen rumor sealed the deal for me. Look, I understand that it’s probably wrong, but it’s credible that Omar would flip Angel Pagan for Jose Guillen, taking back (say) $5MM of salary in the process.
That’s all you need to know.
If he makes the right moves and we win the WS in 2010 then bring him back
If not good luck in the unemployment line Omar
DO WHAT JOSE REYES DO!!!
it's childish
to say that no matter what he does this off season/ regular season, i still wouldn’t want him back. but frankly, i feel like i’d rather see the mets lose without minaya than see them win with him. i’m not sure how this happened, but i feel like i should blame Minaya / the entire Mets management / Carlos Beltran staring at that filthy curve ball for it.
wait what
you’d rather see the mets lose without minaya then see them win with him? what the hell?
"Solo homers usually come with no one on base." -Ralph Kiner
Darn.
I guess my plans to have this peer-reviewed and submitted to Proceedings of the National Academy of Sciences is foiled.
PNAS is a pain in the ass to submit to
on a side note
by KeithsMoustache on Nov 23, 2009 12:10 AM EST up reply actions
Attempted to.
you pretty much need a sponsor from the National Academy of sciences on your paper to get it considered and we decided not to go begging someone who had nothing to do with the paper to put their name on it so we could get it accepted, ended up going elsewhere.
by KeithsMoustache on Nov 23, 2009 10:43 AM EST up reply actions
Sam Page, he lobby Matt at MetsBlog to run a poll.
"He's definitely mixing it into his repertoire. That's French for 'repertoire' " - Keith Hernandez
by Catsmeat Potter-Pirbright on Nov 22, 2009 3:44 PM EST up reply actions
The only way
I could vote for keeping omar was if he were to bring depodesta in underneath him and release a epstein-esque press release
by MetsKnicksRutgers on Nov 22, 2009 3:56 PM EST reply actions
Who are those 10 +/- people?
"Blinding ignorance does mislead us. O! Wretched mortals, open your eyes!"
by Brooklyn Dodgers Mets Fan on Nov 22, 2009 9:09 PM EST up reply actions
Metsbloggers?
Mrs. Minaya? Steve Phillips, hoping his successor is a bigger disaster than him, thus erasing memory of his myriad failures as Mets GM?
by BobbyV_Incognito on Nov 22, 2009 11:01 PM EST up reply actions
Why would Metsbloggers visit here? All we have to offer are Cheetos and Mountain Dew
"Blinding ignorance does mislead us. O! Wretched mortals, open your eyes!"
by Brooklyn Dodgers Mets Fan on Nov 23, 2009 9:28 AM EST up reply actions
haha oh man, that guy is gonna achieve legendary status quick around here
by KeithsMoustache on Nov 23, 2009 10:44 AM EST up reply actions
That's what I love most around here, asides for the fact that people know what the hell they're talking about: on in-jokes
"Blinding ignorance does mislead us. O! Wretched mortals, open your eyes!"
by Brooklyn Dodgers Mets Fan on Nov 23, 2009 1:36 PM EST up reply actions
Choice 4
I’d like to see him fired immediately but that’s not happening. If he has a good offseason and the Mets make the playoffs next year it’s tough to stay on the ‘under no circumstances’ bandwagon.
by James Kannengieser on Nov 22, 2009 4:55 PM EST reply actions
I voted under no circumstances,
but I’m not sure that was really fair of me. I strongly dislike Omar and think that even if they are successful next year he is a detriment to the organization in the long run. However, people can change. Maybe Omar starts to realize that there are more ways to go about evaluating players, and even if he doesn’t change his personal philosophy he starts to take seriously input from those who have a different view.
If Omar shows some sort of evolution as a GM then I am ok with his staying on, because he seems like he has a decent eye for talent and is not really a bad guy. I just fear Omar is what he is and always will be, and what he is doesn’t really cut it for the 2nd most valuable franchise in MLB.
Unfortunately
he’s shown no sign of that this offseason. None. The mere fact that the Mets are widely considered to have actual interest in offering a multiyear deal to Bengie Molina, in the neighborhood of 2/10, seals that particular deal. Minaya is a bottom 10 GM, maybe bottom 5.
If he makes the “right” moves this offseason and the Mets win the WS it will have been a combination of career years and accidental signings, and we’ll NEVER get rid of him.
So fair, schmair. Voting Omar out under any circumstances is simple self-defense.
by SeanSchirmer on Nov 23, 2009 1:05 PM EST up reply actions
If his offseason meets my expectations
that would mean he’s gotten a clue and shifted his philosophy (not that I’m sure he has a philosophy to shift), so I would be OK with bringing him back, provided the team is successful. If not, it would be too little, too late.
if all the teams are more successful next year, and he doesn't make any moves to save his butt
not just at the major league level. I am starting to resign myself to the idea that 2010 (and maybe 2011) may just be a year(s) to wait for a wave of young players to reach the majors and so if some of our low minor leaguers make some good strides and the good upper level ones don’t falter too bad, then I think Omar deserves some credit for that. I have been looking at that 2008 draft a lot lately, I want to post something about it soon, and we have a good number of guys from small colleges and that draft that did really well at either Brooklyn or St Lucie last year. Omar took our minor league system, which was a wasteland when he got here, and started rebuilding from the bottom up, the only way you really can. He probably figured that with the talent he brought to the big league club early on in his tenure, he wouldn’t need to have as much depth at higher levels because the team would be good unless there were injuries to multiple all-stars (hmm…). He hasn’t made too many bad trades that were his fault; for instance, he probably never knew what he had in Heath Bell because he hardly saw him, not that anyone could have predicted he would improve that much; and many GM’s probably would have taken a chance on Putz for Smith and MiLB players. He has more signings that did good for the team than ones that did bad, with the latter coming the past two offseasons in Castillo, Mota, and Perez; Castillo doesn’t even look too bad if the economy is as good as two years ago. I just feel we need to give someone enough time to create a plan for this team and see it followed through so we can have built a dynasty, or powerhouse like the Sox.
True but
His draft history is very checkered. As great as 2008 seems so far, 2007 was a total failure in design and specific players chosen and 2009 was a disaster in terms of drafting players they couldn’t sign. When building a system from the bottom up, drafting a college player like Eddie Kunz, who you hope can become a big league reliever right away but is just as likely to be a AAA-guy, is a weak strategy.
Draft strategy is mediocre at best and...
even if some of these top prospects (who I like) pan out in 2011, that’s seven years into Minaya’s term. The idea that a GM needs seven years to develop a productive major leaguer is ridiculous.
by Bieser's Balk on Nov 22, 2009 8:05 PM EST up reply actions
If his offseason *exceeds* my expectations
Because my expectations for the moves he’ll make are fairly low. He would need to show that he understands the concepts of filling out the back of a roster and not overpaying for players after career years (or otherwise) before I’d want him back.
The offseason needs to result in a playoff berth...
but it can’t just be that. If Omar extends Jeff Francouer, signs Bengie Molina, signs Johnny Damon, and signs Jason Marquis, and we get the wild card due to weak years by other teams and awesome years by the core, he cannot come back. But he would.
"I dunno. I never smoked any Astroturf"
-Tug McGraw
it's been brought up once or twice by MSM writers.
"I dunno. I never smoked any Astroturf"
-Tug McGraw
That sounds like a good Onion article
“San Francisco Giants sign Johnny Damon, Yankee Stadium right field dimensions to 4 year deal”
by James Kannengieser on Nov 22, 2009 10:14 PM EST up reply actions
No matter how good he does in the future, it doesn't erase the past.
Say we magically win the World Series next season, by some miracle. Is that going to change his philosophy as a GM, one that I would say is fundamentally flawed? Odds are, no.
"Blinding ignorance does mislead us. O! Wretched mortals, open your eyes!"
by Brooklyn Dodgers Mets Fan on Nov 22, 2009 9:11 PM EST reply actions
well if we win the world series it means he must have changed his philosophy
cause we’re sure not gonna win with the current one.
by KeithsMoustache on Nov 23, 2009 12:11 AM EST up reply actions
Meh we could get incredibly lucky
Which really would be getting incredibly unlucky cause the Wilpons would re-upp Omar for ten years and he’d be convinced his hustle was golden and never change.
The Angels won a WS under Disney
Doesn’t mean they were well run. they got incredibly hot at the right time and had huge years by scrubs.
An assclown like Minaya could get lucky (Santana) again but the combo of Jerry and Omar has no chance of a title unless the other 29 teams are all swept up in a hurricane leaving the mets as the only team around.
Jerry and Omar assclowns for life
by Ghost of seven in a row on Nov 23, 2009 2:04 AM EST up reply actions
That's exactly it
I don’t want to sound like those assholes who exist where ever that dislike the president so much (this one, or the last one, to be bipartisan) that they want a massive terror attack to happen, making him look bad, but Omar getting Maine for nothing, Perez for nothing (in the good moments that he’s had), Santana, all of that good stuff hid the constant bad that Minaya does. If it weren’t for that good, his bad would be a lot more easier exposed, and dare I say he’d probably be gone already.
"Blinding ignorance does mislead us. O! Wretched mortals, open your eyes!"
by Brooklyn Dodgers Mets Fan on Nov 23, 2009 9:33 AM EST up reply actions
I'm pretty surprised by the results of this poll
People are justified in not having faith in Minaya, but so much support for “under no circumstances” is pretty hard-line. If he has a smart offseason maybe it’s a sign he can adapt and change his approach a bit. Couple with a 92-95 win season and I’d be more inclined to support him. In that scenario, this offseason is far more important for Omar evaluation than next season’s results. Maybe 90%/10%.
by James Kannengieser on Nov 23, 2009 12:21 AM EST reply actions
This is what I mean.
I said “under no circumstances”, but I really feel it’s somewhere between “meets expectations/contends in 2010” and “under no circumstances”. Because if we have a decent offseason and contend in 2010 due to our awesome CURRENT star players, Omar really doesn’t deserve to stay, does he?
"I dunno. I never smoked any Astroturf"
-Tug McGraw
I just think it's silly to say that under Zero circumstances should Omar Minaya retain his job after/during next season.
I wrote it above, but I’d fire him now if I could. Since that’s not gonna happen, and he’s going to be given this offseason to work with, I’m not gonna have the f*ck’em-no-matter-what mentality. Maybe he’ll realize he needs to do something new. Maybe John Ricco knows what he’s doing and Omar will listen to him. I’m giving him a shot. Of course he’ll probably sign Alex Cora and Bengie Molina to silly contracts tomorrow and I’ll recant this comment.
by James Kannengieser on Nov 23, 2009 12:38 AM EST up reply actions
Lol that's my reason for the under no circumstances
I have no faith in his ability to change.
I agree totally
I walked around wearing my Mets jacket today and people looked at me, shook their head, and smiled the way you would look at a crazy guy singing and playing air guitar on the train. I really don’t like that feeling. Of course I did wear the jacket in public so I guess I had it coming.
Omar made this, Omar must pay in full.
Jerry and Omar assclowns for life
by Ghost of seven in a row on Nov 23, 2009 2:08 AM EST up reply actions
I have yet to have that happen, and I've been wearing my jacket for a while now, since it got cold like last week
"Blinding ignorance does mislead us. O! Wretched mortals, open your eyes!"
by Brooklyn Dodgers Mets Fan on Nov 23, 2009 9:34 AM EST up reply actions
its not about our faith in his ability
if you admit that you could change your mind if his mentality shifts, then you can’t really claim “under no circumstances” just “under no probable circumstances”
by KeithsMoustache on Nov 23, 2009 10:46 AM EST up reply actions
Well I wanted Willie gone after 05
and still wanted him gone after 06. I feel like those choices could be luck. Signing Holliday to me would be a good enough off season, and should him, along with Santana, Wright, Reyes and Beltran, all put up 5+ WAR seasons, they will be successful. He needs to go.
"We must win and we must know how to win rather than win because we have statistical people."
Fair enough, I'll change my vote.
If Omar adopts my AAOP in its entirety, I’m willing to accept his continued tenure at GM. Generous, eh?

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