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Rule 5: The Other Draft (Updated 11/25)

Finishing with a terrible record in 2009 affords the Mets a few luxuries, the most obvious being that they will have the seventh overall pick in this year's Amateur Draft.  However, also worth paying attention to, they will receive the same selection in this winter's Rule 5 Draft.  Though the Rule 5 draft is essentially a swap meet of replacement level players, gems like Johan Santana, Josh Hamilton and Dan Uggla do occasionally emerge from its depths, especially in the first few picks.  With that, here are a few interesting names who are eligible and have been left off their respective club's 40-man rosters:

Star-divide

Update in comments by acerimusdux:

Edgar Osuna, LHP - ATL

Another interesting 21 year old is Braves prospect Edgar Osuna. He was ranked 17th in the Braves system, and had a solid year in AA as well. He may have less upside, but it sounds like his stuff could fit well as the second lefty in the pen.

Per BA:

Osuna challenges hitters with an assortment of pitches that he mixes well. He spots his mid 80s fastball with precision and uses it to set up a plus curveball and the best changeup in the system. He has fine control and does a good job of locating his pitches.

Graham Godfrey, RHP - OAK

Another good AA starting pitcher exposed in a very pitching deep system is A’s prospect Graham Godfrey. A 24 year old who had a 3.50 ERA in 28 starts, it sounds as though he has a good low 90s sinker and above average slider which could play well in a relief role. Godfrey was the prospect the A’s received from the Jays 2 years ago when they dealt Marco Scutaro.

Steven Wright, RHP - CLE

Finally, the best Cleveland Indian exposed might be another 24 year old, Steven Wright. Wright was a second round pick in 2006 and seems especially well suited to a bullpen role. In 2005, he had won the award for the best reliever in the Cape Cod League. He worked as a SP in the minors the last 2 seasons, with 61 starts under his belt, before being converted back to relief this year in AA. After moving to a bullpen role on 4/29, he threw 71.1 IP in 35 appearances, with a 2.39 ERA. Over his last 26 appearances, he had a 1.25 ERA. Basically, you have a guy with enough minor league innings under his belt to be reasonably prepared, plus already having a comfort level in a bullpen role, and having passed the AA test. He reportedly throws a low 90s fastball and a plus slider. He might not have the most upside, but if you are looking for an MLB ready pen arm Wright might be the best bet.

 

Update 11/24:

Tug Hulett, INF - KC

Another interesting bat, Hulett is already 26, but he hit .297 / .389 / .479 in Triple-A this year, and .300 / .382 / .519 last year at the same level in Seattle's system.  He can play all over the infield, primarily playing 2B in his career but also floating around at SS and 3B in different years.  He combined to hit 25 HR and 83 XBH in the last two seasons in about 850 PAs.  He seems like a great candidate for a Rule V utility guy with upside if he needs to fill in for an extended period, maybe even Dan Uggla part deux with better defense and a less power. 

UPDATE:  It turns out Hulett was Designated for Assignment on November 20th, so the Royals have till the 30th to trade him or he can choose between a minor league assignment or free agency.  If he chooses the former, he will still be Rule V eligible, otherwise he can sign with any team.  I would take a hard look at this guy if I'm the Mets, or just about any team, guys with bats who can play all over the infield are not common commodities.  Part of the downside on him appears to be body type, I've heard him described as "short and fat," but shouldn't that just make the Dan Uggla comp even more appropriate?

UPDATE 2:  Well, forget Hulett.  Why does it always seem the Red Sox make the moves I want the Mets to make?

Benjamin Snyder, LHP - SF

Pitched well in relief as a 24 year old in Double-A with a good strikeout rate and decent command.  Absolutely dominated lefties with a 10.65 K/9 and 1.71 BB/9.  Probably not someone worth taking in the first round, but could make an interesting LOOGY if he's available afterwards. 

Brad Snyder, OF - CHC

A lefty hitting outfielder who missed some time in 09 due to injury, Synder flashed some real pop this year by hitting .278 / .333 / .553 with 14 HR in just 260 PAs in Triple-A.  He'll be 28 next year, but he can play all three outfield positions, and though he played mostly RF this year, he did have a +7 TZ/150 in CF last year in Triple-A.  Could be a useful fourth outfielder, but again, probably not a guy worth taking with the 7th overall pick.

Also, I fixed the broken Minor League Splits links and switched them to B-R for Lofgren, Kroenke, and Texeira.

 

Update added in the comments by Robcast23:

Scott Mathieson, RHP - PHI

For those who have forgotten Mathieson, he was an ‘02 draft of the Phillies out of Canada with a pretty live arm. He’s a big strong righty with a mid 90’s FB but health has been a very big concern for him. He’s had 2 major elbow surgeries since blowing out his elbow in ‘06 and he’s currently on his most recent comeback. pitching exclusively out of the bullpen now, he was quite strong in the AFL posting a 2.84 ERA w/ 15k’s in 12.2IP. He walked a bunch of guys, however command is usually the last thing to come back after arm surgeries and apparently his velocity was good.

I'm not sure what to make of Mathieson.  The impressive AFL is definitely encouraging, and if his velocity's back, he's definitely worth taking a look at, but it would be risky to imagine keeping him on a big league roster all year unless you can really afford to be patient with him. 

Aneury Rodriguez, RHP - TB

You may remember Aneury Rodriguez being swapped for Jason Hammel before the ‘09 season. Another big righty with a live fastball, Rodriguez was on a very steady climb through the minors when the rays started him in AA this season. However, he scuffled a bit in his Double-A debut, posting a 4.35ERA w/ a declined K rate, but in 142IP he still only allowed 122 hits w/o a ridiculous BB total. Sounds like bad luck to me, or at the very least he’s not very hittable. His issue is that beyond his mid 90’s FB, his secondary offerings aren’t great. in a relief role i think he could excel as soon as next year.

Rodriguez does sound interesting.  I also took a brief glance at him but saw his Double-A struggles and didn't look too far beyond it, but a big righty with a live fastball like is certainly worth considering.  Having him spend a year in the bullpen might prove a very good gamble.

Drew Locke, OF - HOU

Locke is a righty, power-hitting OF who just dominated AA to the tune of a .340 AVG and 20 HRS with an acceptable 42/86 BB/K ratio. he was actually a Dodger prospect that was taken in the minor league phase of the Rule 5 draft last winter and has very steadily put up solid offensive seasons since being drafted out of BC in ‘05. two issues with him though; one, he’s going to be 27 next year (though it looks like he was brought along slowly in the dodgers OF rich system). and two, his D is supposedly pretty suspect. Sounds like he’d basically be vying for Nick Evans’ spot on the team as a righty bat with pop off the bench.

Sounds similar to Garner.

 

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Danny Dorn, 1B/OF - CIN

Hit .277/ .344 / .470 as a 24 year old in Triple-A this year and seems to have played passably at 1B and LF.  Also hit .275 / .363 / .535 last year in Double-A.  He struggled against southpaws, but hit .299 / .370 / .497 against righties this year and .312 / .394 / .554 through his career.  The 66 homers he's hit in roughly 1600 career career PAs suggest he has some real pop.  Gets bonus points for having a three syllable name with alliteration.  If he's available at pick seven, he should be a very strong consideration.  He's a guy you can essentially throw into the mix with Daniel Murphy and Chris Carter as a potential lefty half of a first base platoon, and his ability to play the outfield could make him a useful bench piece if he doesn't win the starting gig. 

Yohan Pino, RHP - CLE

The PTBNL return the Indians received for Carl Pavano, Pino has bounced back and forth between the rotation and pen the last few years in the Twins system, but he's been pretty effective either way.  His listed birthdays are different on B-R and Minor League Splits, the former suggesting he's 25 and the latter saying he turns 24 in December.  His fastball is not overpowering, high 80s, but he has a quality breaking ball and spots the ball well.  And even with the less than dominant heater, he still managed to strike out 117 of the 499 batters he faced in Triple-A (23.4%), while walking just 29 (5.8%).  He is flyball prone, with a sub-1.00 GB/FB ratio each of the last three seasons, and even in CitiField his 3.5% HR/FB is sure to rise, but he still could be a useful arm. 

Chuck Lofgren, LHP - CLE

Once a big name prospect, Lofgren has already been a victim of the Rule 5 draft once.  Whatever upside he once had is mostly gone, but he may still have some short-term upside as a LOOGY. 

Steven Johnson, RHP - BAL

Another fly ball prone arm given away in a salary dump trade, Johnson went from LA to Baltimore in the George Sherrill deal.  According to Baseball America at the time of the trade, Johnson, a former 13th round pick has stuff that's a bit above average, but he has a high effort delivery that causes him his command troubles.  He pitched very well in HiA and Triple-A this year as a 21 year old.  Putting him on a big league roster would be a risk, but the reward may be higher than with a guy like Pino. 

Tommy Mendoza, RHP - LAA

Perhaps not the best fit for a big market club like the Mets, Mendoza just turned 22 and is coming off a 3.80 FIP season in Double-A.  Can't find much info on his stuff, but you have to at least look at a pitcher like this if you can get him for nothing.  Just based on the numbers, command seems to be his hallmark, and if there's any potential development left here, a team thinking long term could find a very useful piece in Mendoza. 

Cole Garner, OF - COL

A lefty masher with good tools, Garner hit .288 / .342 / .492 in Double-A last year with 16 homers in 440 PAs.  He also stole 13 bases in 18 attempts and played quality defense in the corners and below average defense in center.  He hit lefties to the tune of .330 / .386 / .557.  As a 24 year old in Double-A, he's not the safest bet, but the combination of tools and power make him an interesting player. 

Zach Kroenke, LHP - NYY

Kroenke's a 25 year old reliever who posted a 3.65 FIP in Triple-A after a good year in Double-A in 2008, though his K% declined.  Still, he gets groundballs and was effective against lefties and righties alike.  He looks like a decent gamble to stick in a big league pen. 

Kanekoa Texeira, RHP - NYY

A dominant groundball reliever with a decent K% to go along with it, Texeira is 23 and has only topped out at Double-A thus far, but could be effective as a big league reliever.  A classic sinker/slider pitcher, he maintained a 61.2 GB% this year.  He could be a decent middle reliever or ROOGY right away.

Chris "Disco" Hayes, RHP - KC

A submarining righty with a blog and an affinity for advanced metrics, Hayes was recently discussed in this fanshot.  He has a fastball in the low-70s and is a strike thrower.  Hayes probably isn't the best choice with the 7th overall pick, but he could be worth a flier in the later rounds as the heir to the greatness that was Chad Bradford.


 

Feel free to add anyone I missed, I'll try to keep the post updated.

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Wait, Disco was left off?

I don’t care about getting him for the ’pen. I want to get him to replace Omar as the GM. Or Warthen as the pitching coach.

"We're investigating the investigative procedure of the investigation of Tony Bernazard"---Omar Minaya (he really didn't say it but he would"

by firejerrynow on Nov 24, 2009 6:47 AM EST reply actions   0 recs

is Disco particularly good at baseball?

i don’t just want to sign him because he likes new statistical metrics

"Solo homers usually come with no one on base." -Ralph Kiner

by metsguy234 on Nov 24, 2009 6:49 AM EST up reply actions   0 recs

3.76 Equivalent fip

he’d fit into the ‘pen. And he’s smarter than half the FO

"We're investigating the investigative procedure of the investigation of Tony Bernazard"---Omar Minaya (he really didn't say it but he would"

by firejerrynow on Nov 24, 2009 6:53 AM EST up reply actions   0 recs

rec'd

"He's definitely mixing it into his repertoire. That's French for 'repertoire' " - Keith Hernandez

by Catsmeat Potter-Pirbright on Nov 24, 2009 9:39 AM EST up reply actions   0 recs

If he's available after the first round

There’s really nothing to lose, so I wouldn’t be too upset if they did draft him there, but in the first round it would be a wasted pick. He has been effective in the upper levels, but there’s probably more to gain by picking a guy like Dorn or Garner who are pretty safe bets to provide some value off the bench and have a chance to surprise you if they wind up with any significant playing time. It is Rule V, so you’re not finding an insta-stud here, all the guys have spots, but I think I like those two better than any of the arms I’ve really looked at. If we were talking about a smaller market team in a rebuilding phase, guys like Mendoza, Johnson, Matheison, or Rodriguez, are all interesting, since they all have live arms and some development left, but for a team trying to compete, it’d probably be hard to keep them on the major league roster all year. Relievers like Pino, Kroenke, Texeira, and Hayes are probably the types of arms the Mets should focus on.

"All energy flows according to the whims of the great magnet

What a fool I was to defy him"

-HST

by Mark Himmelstein on Nov 24, 2009 4:08 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

good idea

i can’t wait for he rule 5 draft. i was actually just starting to prepare a similar post last night. 2 names thats stuck out for me were scott mathieson of the phillies and aneury rodriguez of the rays.

for those who have forgotten mathieson, he was an ‘02 draft of the phillies out of canada with a pretty live arm. he’s a big strong righty with a mid 90’s fb but health has been a very big concern for him. he’s had 2 major elbow surgeries since blowing out his elbow in ‘06 and he’s currently on his most recent comeback. pitching exclusively out of the bullpen now, he was quite strong in the AFL posting a 2.84 ERA w/ 15k’s in 12.2IP. He walked a bunch of guys, however command is usually the last thing to come back after arm surgeries and apparently his velocity was good.

you may remember aneury rodriguez being swapped for jason hammel before the ‘09 season. another big righty w/ a live fastball, rodriguez was on a very steady climb through the minors when the rays started him in AA this season. however, he scuffled a bit in his double A debut, posting a 4.35ERA w/ a declined K rate but in 142IP he still only allowed 122 hits w/o a ridiculous BB total. sounds like bad luck to me, or at the very least he’s not very hittable. his issue is that beyond his mid 90’s fb, his secondary offerings aren’t great. in a relief role i think he could excel as soon as next year.

by robcast23 on Nov 24, 2009 7:08 AM EST reply actions   0 recs

I lobby Disco for bullpen

"Blinding ignorance does mislead us. O! Wretched mortals, open your eyes!"

by Brooklyn Dodgers Mets Fan on Nov 24, 2009 8:40 AM EST reply actions   0 recs

Don't forget that the teams in front of the Mets

all have full 40 man rosters, which basically gives the Mets the first pick of the draft. I’m a bigger fan of the rule five draft then I should be given the results of it but it’s a nice thought process challenge both in trying to pick out an undervalued player as well as figuring out a way to keep a player on the roster the whole year who’s most likely not ready for the majors.

the number one issue facing the Mets is finding that one guy who’s going to say "get on my shoulders and ride me to the championship."

by Sokojoe on Nov 24, 2009 8:52 AM EST reply actions   0 recs

Technically, any of those teams ahead o the Mets can still make a pick

But they’d have to clear a 40-man spot first. But yeah, the Mets are in good position here, and if handled right, could essentially freeroll themselves a useful piece.

"All energy flows according to the whims of the great magnet

What a fool I was to defy him"

-HST

by Mark Himmelstein on Nov 24, 2009 1:03 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

I also lobby Disco for designated Submariner/Pitching Coach.*

*(even if he doesn’t like hockey).

Also, Mark, thanks for putting this together. These summaries are great for keeping on top of things I normally don’t think about like, say, the Rule V Draft.

"He's definitely mixing it into his repertoire. That's French for 'repertoire' " - Keith Hernandez

by Catsmeat Potter-Pirbright on Nov 24, 2009 9:16 AM EST reply actions   0 recs

Unfortunately this is prob much ado about nothing...

What would make anyone believe that the Mets will get this right this time?? Does the name Darren O’Day mean anything to anyone????

by ThnkGoodnessforHowieRose on Nov 24, 2009 9:45 AM EST reply actions   0 recs

I see what you're saying

but basically the Mets picked the best player out of the rule five draft last year. They did their research to figure out that the surgery O’Day supposedly needed was a smokescreen to leave him off the 40 man, and unfortunately lost him during the roster shuffle that they felt they needed to call up an emergency starter in Casey Fossum. While the end result was unfortunate, I would say the Mets got it right on draft day and with having a higher pick and open roster spots, I’m curious what the Mets can come out with as, while the success rate is slim, the risk/cost is next to nothing. Besides, it just gives hardcore baseball fans another thing to think about during the offseason.

the number one issue facing the Mets is finding that one guy who’s going to say "get on my shoulders and ride me to the championship."

by Sokojoe on Nov 24, 2009 10:08 AM EST up reply actions   1 recs

I'm saying...

that even when they do get it right, they get it wrong in the end… they’ve never been an organization that has much patience…. but lack of patience and poor judgment combined is a big handicap to work with.

by ThnkGoodnessforHowieRose on Nov 25, 2009 9:53 AM EST up reply actions   0 recs

I don't think Lofgren really profiles as a LOOGY

In AAA vs. LHB, his K/9 is 6.63 and his GB% is 35.6%. Meh!

(Thanks for doing this post and digging up some interesting names!)

by TheBigStapler on Nov 24, 2009 9:46 AM EST reply actions   0 recs

Steven Johnson throws K's

He’s the only pitcher among the ones listed here with a K/9 around 9. He is also only 22 years old.

by TheBigStapler on Nov 24, 2009 9:54 AM EST reply actions   0 recs

Pino was over 8.00

And has outstanding command, but again, underwhelming stuff-wise and we’re not sure exactly how old he is.

"All energy flows according to the whims of the great magnet

What a fool I was to defy him"

-HST

by Mark Himmelstein on Nov 24, 2009 1:05 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

Is there a list anywhere of what players are availble to be selected to browse?

"Blinding ignorance does mislead us. O! Wretched mortals, open your eyes!"

by Brooklyn Dodgers Mets Fan on Nov 24, 2009 10:51 AM EST reply actions   0 recs

The names here are fantastic

First, for all the Major League fans, you’ve got both a Hayes AND a Dorn.

Second, in Texeira and Zach “the homophone” Kroenke, you’ve got 2 guys whose names bear enough of a resemblance to actual superstars that the drunk FAN callers who don’t actually follow the team can trumpet their acquisitions.

by dontstopbelieving on Nov 24, 2009 11:34 AM EST reply actions   0 recs

See, I've got it right here in my contract.

It says, “I don’t have to do any calisthenics that I don’t feel are necessary.”

the number one issue facing the Mets is finding that one guy who’s going to say "get on my shoulders and ride me to the championship."

by Sokojoe on Nov 24, 2009 12:45 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

Awesome movie

Can Lou Brown manage the Mets instead of Jerry? I think he would do a better job.

If there's ever a riot at Citi Field and Oliver Perez was the starter, I started the riot.

by meigs1414 on Nov 24, 2009 10:20 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

Gee, I don't know

He’s got a guy on the other line asking about some white walls.

the number one issue facing the Mets is finding that one guy who’s going to say "get on my shoulders and ride me to the championship."

by Sokojoe on Nov 24, 2009 10:39 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

Is that a typo?

Hayes’ fastball sits in the “low 70s”? They throw harder than that in Little League. If that’s accurate, forget him; I don’t care if he’s using a nuclear submarine, 70-75 mph will not get major league hitters out.

by madisonmetsfan on Nov 24, 2009 12:14 PM EST reply actions   0 recs

Jamie Moyer and Tim Wakefield would beg to differ.

Frankly, speed is not the be-all end-all. If he’s throwing slow but with deception, movement and change of speed, then it doesn’t really matter. He seems to be able to get AA and AAA hitters out just fine, so I don’t see why he wouldn’t be able to progress to a higher level.

by dtro on Nov 24, 2009 12:23 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

Not good comps.

Wakefield’s a knuckleballer, and Moyer can still hit 80 (and threw a lot harder when he was Hayes’ age). Plus, the scrap heap is littered with guys who could get minor leaguers out with underwhelming stuff who couldn’t hack it in the bigs.

by madisonmetsfan on Nov 24, 2009 1:14 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

Disco Hayes

Could hit the high 80s but he chooses not to, as his style is more effective at getting hitters out

by deadspy3 on Nov 24, 2009 1:34 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

He's a submariner a la Chad Bradford

Its unlikely he’ll be successful in the big leagues, but not impossible.

"All energy flows according to the whims of the great magnet

What a fool I was to defy him"

-HST

by Mark Himmelstein on Nov 24, 2009 1:39 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

Aaaagh

You’re shattering my dream of a 2011 Mets World Series clincher pitched by a reacquired Brian Bannister (8.2 IP, 9BB, 0H, 0R) who hands over to Disco Hayes for the final out, all achieved using statistical numbers!

by deadspy3 on Nov 24, 2009 1:46 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

Forget Disco? Forget you!

"Blinding ignorance does mislead us. O! Wretched mortals, open your eyes!"

by Brooklyn Dodgers Mets Fan on Nov 24, 2009 12:58 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

Chad Bradford called

And asked to remind you of his ’06 season with the Mets.

"We're investigating the investigative procedure of the investigation of Tony Bernazard"---Omar Minaya (he really didn't say it but he would"

by firejerrynow on Nov 24, 2009 5:11 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

Is it within the rules of baseball to get Disco Hayes, and keep him on the roster

…but as a coach, not a player?

"I dunno. I never smoked any Astroturf"
-Tug McGraw

by squid92 on Nov 24, 2009 12:19 PM EST reply actions   0 recs

Better yet

… as the GM, not a player.

by mnbv on Nov 24, 2009 12:58 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

Imagine the possibilities for false outrage

if the headline after the Rule V Draft is that the Mets select “Texeira from the New York Yankees.” Maybe the paperwork could get flubbed and we actually end up with Mark.

"[The Giants] beat us down. We were beat by a grown-man team, a team we want to be like one day. They came in here and took it to us. Out-manned us, out-gunned us. ... It wasn't even close." - Raheem Morris, 9/27/09

by cjmulrain on Nov 24, 2009 12:22 PM EST reply actions   0 recs

I had the same thought about this Zach Kroenke

Like maybe they’d send us Zack Greinke instead.

by JoshNY on Nov 24, 2009 3:28 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

Sounds like something Omar might do.

"Blinding ignorance does mislead us. O! Wretched mortals, open your eyes!"

by Brooklyn Dodgers Mets Fan on Nov 24, 2009 4:27 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

he doesn't have time for the paperwork

"We're investigating the investigative procedure of the investigation of Tony Bernazard"---Omar Minaya (he really didn't say it but he would"

by firejerrynow on Nov 24, 2009 5:12 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

Paperwork?

That’s false hustle, baby.

"He's definitely mixing it into his repertoire. That's French for 'repertoire' " - Keith Hernandez

by Catsmeat Potter-Pirbright on Nov 24, 2009 5:19 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

GET DISCO

That is all I have to say

by deadspy3 on Nov 24, 2009 12:47 PM EST reply actions   0 recs

eh

there are way too many really interesting arms out there to waste our position on someone w/ such a limited upside.

by robcast23 on Nov 25, 2009 10:50 AM EST up reply actions   0 recs

I'm only partly serious

Though I do want him to be the Mets second pick!

by deadspy3 on Nov 25, 2009 12:39 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

another interesting name

drew locke from houston. locke is a righty, power-hitting OF who just dominated AA to the tune of a .340 AVG and 20 HRS w/ an acceptable 42/86 BB/K ratio. he was actually a dodger prospect that was taken in the minor league phase of the Rule 5 draft last winter and has very steadily put up solid offensive seasons since being drafted out of BC in ‘05. two issues w/ him though; one, he’s going to be 27 next year (though it looks like he was brought along slowly in the dodgers OF rich system). and two, his D is supposedly pretty suspect. sounds like he’d basically be vying for nick evans’ spot on the team as a righty bat w/ pop off the bench.

apparently koby clemens is unprotected as well, not that it matters.

by robcast23 on Nov 24, 2009 11:33 PM EST reply actions   0 recs

for more good Rule 5 info

a poster over at the astros crawfish boxes is currently running a very in-depth look at rule 5 eligible players by division here.

by robcast23 on Nov 24, 2009 11:36 PM EST reply actions   0 recs

Awesome

They’d been trying to compile a list here at minorleagueball, so I’d been going off that and a few other random sources I found.

"All energy flows according to the whims of the great magnet

What a fool I was to defy him"

-HST

by Mark Himmelstein on Nov 24, 2009 11:48 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

Aneury Rodriguez

I’ve been searching myself for eligible guys and researching, looking up scouting reports.

Best guy so far for me is Aneury Rodriguez. Yes, his AA numbers were average, but this is a 21 year old in AA. Look at the splits. He struggled initially, but improved pretty much every month. Then absolutely dominated over the second half, 5-1 2.22 ERA, .188 BAA over his last 9 starts. If he can survive a year in the pen, you might have a potential future #3 SP there. Kid has a good amount of projection left. There might be better choices for next year’s pen, but this guy will be near the top for upside potential.

Coming into the season, he was the Rockies #16 prospect before the trade by BA, with this on his stuff:

He has a fastball that is a solid 91-92 mph with late movement, and his curveball is a good complementary offering, with out pitch potential. He already has a feel for a changeup and is quite pitch-efficient for his age.

Another interesting 21 year old is Braves prospect Edgar Osuna. He was ranked 17th in the Braves system, and had a solid year in AA as well. He may have less upside, but it sounds like his stuff could fit well as the second lefty in the pen.

Per BA:

Osuna challenges hitters with an assortment of pitches that he mixes well. He spots his mid 80s fastball with precision and uses it to set up a plus curveball and the best changeup in the system. He has fine control and does a good job of locating his pitches.

Another good AA starting pitcher exposed in a very pitching deep system is A’s prospect Graham Godfrey. A 24 year old who had a 3.50 ERA in 28 starts, it sounds as though he has a good low 90s sinker and above average slider which could play well in a relief role. Godfrey was the prospect the A’s received from the Jays 2 years ago when they dealt Marco Scutaro.

Finally, the best Cleveland Indian exposed might be another 24 year old, Steven Wright. Wright was a second round pick in 2006 and seems especially well suited to a bullpen role. In 2005, he had won the award for the best reliever in the Cape Cod League. He worked as a SP in the minors the last 2 seasons, with 61 starts under his belt, before being converted back to relief this year in AA. After moving to a bullpen role on 4/29, he threw 71.1 IP in 35 appearances, with a 2.39 ERA. Over his last 26 appearances, he had a 1.25 ERA. Basically, you have a guy with enough minor league innings under his belt to be reasonably prepared, plus already having a comfort level in a bullpen role, and having passed the AA test. He reportedly throws a low 90s fastball and a plus slider. He might not have the most upside, but if you are looking for an MLB ready pen arm Wright might be the best bet.

Also worth a look might be relievers Josh Tomlin of the Indians, Josh Perrault of the Orioles, and Jared Lansford of the A’s.
  

    

by acerimusdux on Nov 25, 2009 2:54 AM EST reply actions   0 recs

agree about anuerys

he seems like the best bet to help the 2010 team to me. but however you look at it there are more than enough interesting players for the mets to be very aggressive in filling out those last couple roster spots.

by robcast23 on Nov 25, 2009 10:49 AM EST up reply actions   0 recs

If its an arm I agree

Rodriguez seems like a guy who can both be kept on the roster this year as a reliever and then might provide some upside down the road. But I’m leaning more towards one of the position guys. You can probably get an interesting enough reliever, just short on the upside, after the first round, but you won’t find any really interesting position players there. I think a guy like Dorn or Hulett would be ideal for the first pick. The Mets have an opportunity to get something worthwhile but you know they’re not going to be patient with someone they see as a SP unless they’re willing to pull a Johan and keep him in the pen for a year (with would make sense with a guy like Aneurys), and a position player seems both easier to keep on the roster and potentially more valuable than a reliever. Dorn could be a better fit for a platoon 1B than Murphy or Carter, since he does legitimately destroy righties and has some real power, and Hulett could be an asset as a utility guy off the bench who can fill in at multiple positions, spell Castillo fairly frequently, and provide a nice bat for PH situations.

"All energy flows according to the whims of the great magnet

What a fool I was to defy him"

-HST

by Mark Himmelstein on Nov 25, 2009 2:11 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

agreed

i’d MUCH rather see someone like dorn, garner or locke than the typical mackowiak, kielty, brady clark type signings that seem to be one of omar’s winter traditions.

and you make a good point about aneurys, he’s an interesting case where we could stash him in the pen this season and he would probably be effective and eventually then transition him into the rotation if his secondary stuff continues to develop. he’s definitely my top choice at this point.

by robcast23 on Nov 25, 2009 3:39 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

Upside

Yes, with that 1st pick, it would be nice to grab someone who might have at least some upside. Cole Garner sounds interesting as a guy with some tools who might be a bit of a late bloomer. Maybe the best upside of the position guys I’ve looked at so far, but not sure he’ll hit at this stage. Dorn sounds like a Murphy type, probably not any better, but it wouldn’t kill Murphy to have a year in AAA either. Hulett won’t be available, he was never put through waivers, he was traded to the Red Sox instead, and is now on their roster.

Another position guy I liked was Steve Clevenger, a lefty catcher who was the Cubs 11th ranked prospect coming into the season, and sounds very similar to Josh Thole, maybe a bit less bat but a better arm.

by acerimusdux on Nov 25, 2009 8:49 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

Is there any limit to the number of guys you can take in the Rule V draft?

Could the Mets pick, say, seven pitchers, spend spring training taking a good look at them, and give six back to their original clubs (paying $25k per, iirc), keeping the best one?

Seems like a cheap way to fill out the bullpen, find a fifth starter, etc.

by SeanSchirmer on Nov 25, 2009 11:49 AM EST reply actions   0 recs

And if I'm not mistaken the Mets have three open spots right now

Mets.com listing has 36, though I feel like I remember reading a more updated source that had 37 spots filled. Either way, Mets.com also includes Tim Redding, who should be a FA. Plus they have spots for guys like Arturo Lopez, Jack Egbert, and Jeremy Reed, who aren’t exactly keepers. Even Sullivan is kinda worth hanging onto at this point, assuming he still has options (if not, no reason to hold onto him). But after the third or fourth round, there’s usually nothing much left of interest anyway.

"All energy flows according to the whims of the great magnet

What a fool I was to defy him"

-HST

by Mark Himmelstein on Nov 25, 2009 2:18 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

As of 11/20

Yes, it appears the Mets have 4 spots open as of 11/20, so could draft up to 4 players.
It also appears they will have the first pick. My understanding is that rosters are frozen for rule 5 purposes as of 11/20. I don’t think teams can drop players in order to make a pick.

by acerimusdux on Nov 25, 2009 3:05 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

The Rule 5 pool is frozen but not the 40 man rosters. You couldn’t suddenly decide that you made a mistake exposing someone and then add them to the 40 man but you could drop a man from the 40 man roster at the last minute to make a pick.

by MickS on Dec 3, 2009 2:56 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

This

Was my understanding as well. And also that there are provisions for players who change organizations between now and the draft, such as Tug Hulett, who was left of the KC 40-man, but subsequently traded to Boston and added to their roster after the deadline.

"All energy flows according to the whims of the great magnet

What a fool I was to defy him"

-HST

by Mark Himmelstein on Dec 3, 2009 5:11 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

Apropos of nothing

Whenever I see this thread title I think of the obscure Mars Volta song entitled “Abortion: The Other White Meat”

by deadspy3 on Nov 25, 2009 2:45 PM EST reply actions   0 recs

Koby Clemens...

He played in Lancaster last year and his BABIP was insane, but good hitting catchers are so hard to come by. They could stash him as a 3rd string catcher like the Nats did with Flores a few years back. Even if you don’t want to waste a bench spot, I don’t see the harm in making him the backup C- half the BU catchers can barely muster a .600 OPS. anyways. Is his defense really bad or something?

by Matt Himelfarb on Nov 27, 2009 10:40 PM EST reply actions   0 recs

Scott Mathieson

 “I’m Scott Mathieson. I’ve got a lisp and I’ve got diabetes”.

"We must win and we must know how to win rather than win because we have statistical people."

by Evan_S on Dec 2, 2009 3:02 AM EST up reply actions   0 recs

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