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Around SBN: The End Of Sabanball: Details, Barbarians, And Precision

Dave Jauss is the new bench coach, Razor moves to the 1B coach position, Chip Hale is the new 3B coach, everything else stays the same.

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Damn...Everything else stays the same.

"Blinding ignorance does mislead us. O! Wretched mortals, open your eyes!"

by Brooklyn Dodgers Mets Fan on Nov 24, 2009 9:52 PM EST reply actions  

So

Is Razor now the 1st base coach of life?

"We must win and we must know how to win rather than win because we have statistical people."

by Evan_S on Nov 24, 2009 10:05 PM EST reply actions  

I could swear Jauss...

was some dude from that random Sportswriters on TV show that used to air on SportsChannel back in the day. Anyone else remember that show? With like Rick Telander and some other guys smoking cigars. Those were the days — pre-Around the Horn, Skip Bayless, etc. Just Sportswriters on TV and some Chet Coppock.

Clearly, I’m babbling and adding nothing to the discussion. Please carry on. Nothing to see here.

by Bieser's Balk on Nov 24, 2009 10:22 PM EST reply actions  

How any guys will get thrown out at second on routine singles this year?

Because it’s gangsta to aggresively run yourself into easy outs.

"It's like the old phrase goes.....The balls in your court now Mr.Church, so you take that ball, you dribble it up the court and....................................... get a layup"
- Keith Hernandez

by nrmax88 on Nov 24, 2009 11:07 PM EST reply actions  

we are

clearly the team to beat in the NL East now

by Rey-O on Nov 25, 2009 12:28 AM EST reply actions  

shocking

how can razor shines be back when we had record breakimg men thrown out at home….the entire coaching staff and manager (except hojo) is made up of utility guys that were never anything in the majors…AND IT SHOWS….they should give Jerry and his staff 40 games if they are not 24-16…they should be gonzo…THAT WOULD BE GANGSTA

by metaje on Nov 25, 2009 7:56 AM EST reply actions  

I think 1B is a better place for him.

He’s cool, because of his name. But, he sucks. Put him at first, and basically, we get to keep him around for his name, and not let him potentially ruin things.

"Blinding ignorance does mislead us. O! Wretched mortals, open your eyes!"

by Brooklyn Dodgers Mets Fan on Nov 25, 2009 6:39 PM EST up reply actions  

Dang

The Montreal Expos and 1986 Topps cards make me smile.

"He's definitely mixing it into his repertoire. That's French for 'repertoire' " - Keith Hernandez

by Catsmeat Potter-Pirbright on Nov 25, 2009 9:48 AM EST up reply actions  

I am smiling

because in that photo he looks like he is being pursued by a werewolf in a bad teen-scream movie

by deadspy3 on Nov 25, 2009 10:12 AM EST up reply actions  

That's odd.

I think he looks like he knows that he IS the werewolf.

"He's definitely mixing it into his repertoire. That's French for 'repertoire' " - Keith Hernandez

by Catsmeat Potter-Pirbright on Nov 25, 2009 10:21 AM EST up reply actions  

we've trod this path before

but what use is it knowing how many men were thrown out at home unless we also know how many close decisions went Razor’s way. eyeballing it, it seems that we’re right and he sucks. but has anyone done a study to try to figure out how aggressive is too aggressive (generally)? I remember reading somewhere that overall success rates on coming home from sac flies, at least, are unnaturally high, suggesting a general lack of aggressiveness that isn’t smart.

by Pack Bringley on Nov 25, 2009 9:44 AM EST up reply actions  

p.s.

i’m not suggesting such a study would produce some kind of catch-all answer or anything close to it. there are a million situations and personnel variables and matters of inches.

by Pack Bringley on Nov 25, 2009 9:47 AM EST up reply actions  

ok

This has a lot to say about the sac fly situation.

“To summarize the point, when you compare the needed scoring probability using the matrices with what actually happens, it would appear that third base coaches only send runners when they are virtually certain they’ll make it. We can infer this because if they took more risks we would likely see lower success rates. The point becomes even stronger when you recall that errors aren’t included in these statistics. This behavior, from a strategic perspective anyway, is suboptimal. Chalk it up to the human propensity to be risk averse.”

by Pack Bringley on Nov 25, 2009 9:53 AM EST up reply actions  

Most coaches are utility guys or major league faliures

Anyone who was solid to great over their MLB career probably made enough money that when they retire, they don’t have go into coaching. Working your way up to the majors as a coach pretty much requires that you work your way through the minors. Star players don’t want to go through that process again. That’s why very few become full time coaches. Even if they did, what’s the guarantee that they would be any good?

by Reg Dunlop on Nov 25, 2009 10:03 AM EST up reply actions  

who's the best player to ever manage in the majors?

yogi?

Funny that this never came up (as far as I heard) in all the talk about Girardi’s pitching decisions in the Series. Worked out better for the Yankees.

In the 1973 World Series, Yogi’s Mets had a 3-games-to-2 lead on the Oakland Athletics. Berra chose Tom Seaver and Jon Matlack, each pitching on 3 days rest, for games 6 and 7. When the Mets lost both games, Berra was criticized for not using George Stone in Game Six as a starter, thus giving him a fully-rested Game Seven pitcher. Berra expressed no regrets: “What better situation would you want to have? Seaver and Matlack having to win one game! I have no regrets or second thoughts. I went for the kill. It just wasn’t in the cards”.

by Pack Bringley on Nov 25, 2009 11:00 AM EST up reply actions  

ted williams is probably the best player to manage

"Solo homers usually come with no one on base." -Ralph Kiner

by metsguy234 on Nov 25, 2009 11:18 AM EST up reply actions  

Ty Cobb

& Rogers Hornsby have a case. And Frank Robinson was probably the best player to have a long career as a manager

"[The Giants] beat us down. We were beat by a grown-man team, a team we want to be like one day. They came in here and took it to us. Out-manned us, out-gunned us. ... It wasn't even close." - Raheem Morris, 9/27/09

by cjmulrain on Nov 25, 2009 5:33 PM EST up reply actions  

Williams wasn't very successful as a manager.

"Blinding ignorance does mislead us. O! Wretched mortals, open your eyes!"

by Brooklyn Dodgers Mets Fan on Nov 25, 2009 6:42 PM EST up reply actions  

that wasn't the question though

“best player to also be a good manager” is probably Joe Torre (if you’re willing to consider him a good manager. 4 rings certainly gives him a lot of leeway in the debate). I’m relatively sure he’s the only former MVP to win multiple WS as a manager

"[The Giants] beat us down. We were beat by a grown-man team, a team we want to be like one day. They came in here and took it to us. Out-manned us, out-gunned us. ... It wasn't even close." - Raheem Morris, 9/27/09

by cjmulrain on Nov 25, 2009 10:19 PM EST up reply actions  

"the entire coaching staff and manager (except hojo) is made up of utility guys that were never anything in the majors"

Yeah, boy, it sure would be great if the Mets could have a manager that was a really great major leaguer like, umm, uh, Joe Girardi, Charlie Manuel, Terry Francona, or Tony LaRussa.

"He's definitely mixing it into his repertoire. That's French for 'repertoire' " - Keith Hernandez

by Catsmeat Potter-Pirbright on Nov 25, 2009 9:10 AM EST reply actions  

Oops, reply fail.

d’oh.

"He's definitely mixing it into his repertoire. That's French for 'repertoire' " - Keith Hernandez

by Catsmeat Potter-Pirbright on Nov 25, 2009 9:11 AM EST up reply actions  

how many games into the season

until Raze breaks out the patented Razor Windmill at first base??
Happy to limit the damage Shines can do, but scared of the possibilities.

I.M. Forme
"When you get yourself into trouble is when you feel you have to do something, and then you get yourself in trouble." --Omar Minaya

by itsmetsforme on Nov 25, 2009 2:16 PM EST reply actions  

Oh my word

I think we could be on for a record season of failed inside-the-park home run attempts.

by deadspy3 on Nov 25, 2009 2:46 PM EST up reply actions  

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