Another Reader Poll: Blasto or Frenchy

by Sam Page on Nov 25, 2009 3:49 PM EST

While I work on some more real content, I thought of another potentially interesting poll. I know there isn't a real-life situation where this will become relevant; I'm just wondering.

Poll

Which player would you rather have on the Mets right now?

Lastings Milledge

192 votes

Jeff Francoeur

482 votes

674 votes | Poll has closed

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I like how this polls doesn't take into account

the two glorious years of Brian Schneider we got.

by Gina on Nov 25, 2009 3:53 PM EST reply actions

ha the first year was decent

albeit not quite average

by Sam Page on Nov 25, 2009 3:55 PM EST up reply actions

You dont have to ask me twice...

I’ll take the former first rounder who has driven in 400, you can keep the former first rounder who hasn’t done squat.

Happy Thanksgiving AA!

by Joe D. on Nov 25, 2009 3:58 PM EST reply actions

We don't do RBI's here

Lastings FTW

"We're investigating the investigative procedure of the investigation of Tony Bernazard"---Omar Minaya (he really didn't say it but he would"

by firejerrynow on Nov 25, 2009 8:06 PM EST up reply actions

I'm sending an army...

of Frenchy lovers to your site.

by Joe D. on Nov 25, 2009 4:00 PM EST reply actions

I actually like Frenchy

I look past his occasional statistical shortcomings and focus on how well he did with the Mets this season and the intangibles he brings to the team

"Solo homers usually come with no one on base." -Ralph Kiner

by metsguy234 on Nov 25, 2009 4:04 PM EST up reply actions

metsguy234 lobby Joe D for job.

by Sam Page on Nov 25, 2009 4:05 PM EST up reply actions

Some how

I see can’t shake the image of the Mummy Returns, when you threaten to raise an army.

An army of CG skelotns hell bent on destruction.

by Coolpapabell on Nov 25, 2009 5:14 PM EST up reply actions

You had me until intangibles.

"I dunno. I never smoked any Astroturf"
-Tug McGraw

by squid92 on Nov 25, 2009 5:48 PM EST up reply actions

Try

this isn’t a war you want to start.

by Sam Page on Nov 25, 2009 4:06 PM EST up reply actions

Should I be readying my popcorn?

by Gina on Nov 25, 2009 4:07 PM EST up reply actions

let the good times roll

by KeithsMoustache on Nov 25, 2009 5:11 PM EST up reply actions

you mean your spreadsheets

"We're investigating the investigative procedure of the investigation of Tony Bernazard"---Omar Minaya (he really didn't say it but he would"

by firejerrynow on Nov 25, 2009 8:06 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs

Ha

I was wondering how Francoeur got 62% of the vote.

by boom_roasted on Nov 25, 2009 5:24 PM EST up reply actions

YOU MEAN WINCOUER???

he is practically worshiped around these parts.

Lets hope that when gut check time comes again the Mets will pass it with flying colors.

by kendynamo on Nov 26, 2009 1:01 PM EST up reply actions

I lobby his name be changed to NeutraCoeur

A. It sounds awesome
B. Marginal Win Value = ~$4.4 million. Francoeur’s projected salary = ~$4.4 million. Francoeur’s projected value = ~1 WAR. Neutral value Jeff Francoeur = NeutraCoeur!

"All energy flows according to the whims of the great magnet

What a fool I was to defy him"

-HST

by Mark Himmelstein on Nov 26, 2009 1:46 PM EST up reply actions

From the same manufacturer of Neutrogena, though he is bad for our hearts.

I was going to relate it to one AA member, but better not.

by Michkin on Nov 26, 2009 2:36 PM EST up reply actions

Ask your doctor if NeutraCoeur is right for you.

Side effects may include: wild, uncontrollable aggression towards baseballs; loss of self-discipline; sudden interest in dressing fashionably; and an inexplicable love of Delta Airlines.

by BobbyV_Incognito on Nov 26, 2009 9:26 PM EST up reply actions

If loving Lastings is wrong...

I don’t want to be right.

The numbers are comparable with Francoeur getting the edge in power (both in past and 2010 Bill James projections), but I just have a lot more fun rooting for Meek Millz.

by Bieser's Balk on Nov 25, 2009 4:09 PM EST reply actions

Plus, of course

L Millz be the president.

"He's definitely mixing it into his repertoire. That's French for 'repertoire' " - Keith Hernandez

by Catsmeat Potter-Pirbright on Nov 25, 2009 4:10 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs

But Eric B

is President.

and Rakim.

Those guys kicked ass, and I bet woulda wOBA’d over .400 too.

by wobatus on Nov 25, 2009 5:19 PM EST up reply actions

Rakim

Greatest Rapper of all time. Truly the God MC.

"We must win and we must know how to win rather than win because we have statistical people."

by Evan_S on Nov 25, 2009 5:44 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs

Where have you gone, JohnPeterson?

by James Kannengieser on Nov 25, 2009 4:15 PM EST reply actions

LMFAO

I was just going to write something similar!

Oh boy do I remember the fateful day when the trade was announced. A day that will live in Blastingsthrilledge infamy. This trade single handedly brought down a blog.

The blog post reads as follows:

*UCK (edited by me)

Mets trade Milledge. For Brian Schneider and Ryan Church.

Wow. Just wow.

What a simply horrible trade.

Kazmir, Part 2.

Milledge for a league-average outfielder and a mediocre catcher.

Lastings will outperform Church next year.

Simply amazingly bad.

What the *uck? Can this be true?

by Coolpapabell on Nov 25, 2009 5:07 PM EST up reply actions

I have often felt that the love for Milledge around here was a little over the top at times. I will concede however that Milledge was raked over the coals for saying a few swears in a shitty rap album that nobody ever listened to, meanwhile Chase Utley says “World F***ing Champions” in front of millions and he’s a rock star for it. Seems a little odd.

With that said, I think I would take Frenchy, though if I would prefer neither.

No weekend spent pantsless is a wasted weekend.

by sireric on Nov 25, 2009 4:49 PM EST reply actions

That Frenchy love is over-the-top

Aren’t they the same guy, expect race? Both are former 1st round picks that haven’t lived up to their hype (dale murphy clone for one and flanking F! and Beltran the other) and both desire to be in the music industry. So shouldn’t this really be a coin-flip?

~~Which determines who gets the ball in overtime which, although the giants won because of it, I still think is a stupid rule.~~ Oops sorry, wrong blog.

If there's ever a riot at Citi Field and Oliver Perez was the starter, I started the riot.

by meigs1414 on Nov 25, 2009 4:56 PM EST reply actions

Milledge

High-fiving fans after game-tying home runs off Armando Benitez should not only be celebrated, it should be mandatory.

by TedBerg on Nov 25, 2009 5:00 PM EST reply actions 5 recs

Rec'd

"He's definitely mixing it into his repertoire. That's French for 'repertoire' " - Keith Hernandez

by Catsmeat Potter-Pirbright on Nov 26, 2009 12:05 AM EST up reply actions

unfortunately those hitting said homeruns were rarely Mets

I.M. Forme
"When you get yourself into trouble is when you feel you have to do something, and then you get yourself in trouble." --Omar Minaya

by itsmetsforme on Nov 26, 2009 2:11 AM EST up reply actions

Phillies just signed Oil Slick

Somewhere Dicktorino is laughing….

by RIPShea on Nov 25, 2009 5:19 PM EST via mobile reply actions

I voted Francouer

I liked Milledge a lot, but the fact is that he sucks. So does Francouer, but I’m at least hopeful that he can have a decent power season this year and then the Mets will let him walk. I don’t think Milledge will ever be anything more than a spare outfielder on bad teams.

"[The Giants] beat us down. We were beat by a grown-man team, a team we want to be like one day. They came in here and took it to us. Out-manned us, out-gunned us. ... It wasn't even close." - Raheem Morris, 9/27/09

by cjmulrain on Nov 25, 2009 5:29 PM EST reply actions

both got traded at the midseason

Francoeur WAR post trade: 0.4
Milledge: 1.0

by Sam Page on Nov 25, 2009 5:39 PM EST up reply actions

OPS+ after trade

Francouer: 120
Milledge: 95

I’m assuming Milledge’s WAR was higher b/c of his defense, since they both have pretty crappy plate discipline, and I’m not sure how much you can trust a 58 game sample size for a guy who is a career -10.0 UZR/150 outfielder. Sorry Sam, Lasting sucks. And again, so does Francouer, but hopefully the Mets only get one year of Francouer suck as opposed to many years of Milledge suck.

by cjmulrain on Nov 25, 2009 5:56 PM EST up reply actions

surface analysis

Lastings’ 10 UZR/150 is based on his defense in CFer the year he was injured with the nationals. How can you compare a CFers defense with a RFers?? That’s opposite ends of the defensive spectrum. His time with the Pirates was the first time he’s been A. Healthy and B. given time to play his natural position. The sample size in CF is no bigger than the one in LF and the one for LF is the only one we have from last year in which he was 10 UZR/150. I’d say he’s probably a +5 +10 leftfielder.

Also, his plate discipline 7 BB% is basically average, compared to Francoeur who is total dreck. If you adjust for luck…or even if you don’t, Milledge is a replacement level hitter with considerable power upside, while Francoeur is below replacement with some of that upside.

You can apologize again when Milledge is a 3 WAR leftfielder next season.

by Sam Page on Nov 25, 2009 6:14 PM EST up reply actions

I'll believe it when I see it

and I’m pretty confident I won’t see it. Milledge sucks.

by cjmulrain on Nov 25, 2009 7:35 PM EST up reply actions

I agree

but so does Frenchy and Milledge sucks for 2.5 million less.

by Gina on Nov 25, 2009 7:37 PM EST up reply actions

that's a fair point

which I acknowledged in my first two posts. I just think one year of an overpaid sucky player is better than a few years of an appropriately paid sucky player. I’d rather just not have any sucky players on the roster

by cjmulrain on Nov 25, 2009 7:59 PM EST up reply actions

Yeah but do you really expect Omar to just keep Frenchy for one year?

Plus more than likely we’ll find someone else who sucks and pay them more, to sit on the bench, than Milledge will be getting paid. Sullivan made 600 K last year which is still more than Milledge.

by Gina on Nov 25, 2009 8:11 PM EST up reply actions

I'm hoping Omar gets fired before it comes to that

but you’re probably right

by cjmulrain on Nov 25, 2009 8:32 PM EST up reply actions

Alright the follow up is

who wants to make a non-monetary bet with me that next year, Milledge outperforms Francoeur?

by Sam Page on Nov 25, 2009 5:41 PM EST reply actions

How much is Milledge getting paid?

I don’t think there’s much difference between them and I imagine Milledge is being paid well less than Frenchy.

by Gina on Nov 25, 2009 5:47 PM EST reply actions

500k

by Sam Page on Nov 25, 2009 5:48 PM EST up reply actions

That is why I voted for BT! The financial flexiblity he gives you is too good to ignore. I also worked off the asumption that he is going to get better. His defense seems to be getting better now that he isn’t in CF. At the corners, his range would surely improve. Oddly, he appears to be a better fielding LF than RF. I blame sample size for this. When I play in CF I find it easier to make reads, but RF is harder because you don’t see the contact point, thus screwing up the read. The ball sort just appears out of nowhere in LF. RF is different though, you get to see the contact point more often because there are more righties than lefties.

I think his bat will improve. It has to. His bat is too quick for him not to develop into a solid hitter. I could see his numbers really spiking as he reaches his prime.

by Coolpapabell on Nov 25, 2009 6:16 PM EST up reply actions

yea my statement is basically the same

see above

by Sam Page on Nov 25, 2009 6:17 PM EST up reply actions

oops

sorry did not read that. I could have saved some time.

by Coolpapabell on Nov 25, 2009 6:20 PM EST up reply actions

the contact point thing is a good addendum

by Sam Page on Nov 25, 2009 8:38 PM EST up reply actions

*LF is harder because you don’t see the contact point

by Coolpapabell on Nov 25, 2009 6:18 PM EST up reply actions

I don't really want any of them on the Mets

but if i had to pick i would pick Frenchy.Mostly because he’s white,has grit,plays with heart ,wears sunglasses,has a cannon of an arm and catches home run balls

DO WHAT JOSE REYES DO!!!

by Jadden Hopkins on Nov 25, 2009 6:03 PM EST reply actions