The Mets' Advantage
The local papers have come to their yearly consensus about the Mets offseason--it's a gap year. While the prospects of 2011 remain bright, the puppet Minaya regime are prisoners of circumstance, trapped in their bailout-funded stadium, recently painted red and blue in their latest failed attempt to appease fans. The evidence is irrefutable. The good free agent hitters won't sign because the park is too big. The good pitchers won't sign because the park isn't actually that big at all. Groundball pitchers are seeking teams with better infield defense, while the flyballs pitchers are just seeking employment. Unfortunately none of that matters, as the Madoff scandal has left the Mets with no budget at all. But we could only be that lucky, as the Wilpons actually made money off the ponzi scheme, and are prepared to invest considerable funds in the aforementioned "good" free agents, actually landmines--likely to fizzle out the second they cash their signing bonuses.
Fortunately, as is their nature, these writers have made the solution equally clear. The fundamental weaknesses remain minor league depth and fielding, so all the minor the leaguers should be sent post-haste to Toronto in a package for a pitcher who will likely walk after the season's end. Whatever money remains will be divided equally between paying-off some unwitting team to take our defensively-challenged secondbaseman and committing another four years to his similarly inept replacement.
In reality, however, the Mets have considerable advantages in this market. Many teams are still looking to shed payroll after sub-par attendance. Several talented free agents have been forced to hit the market after disappointing seasons. The Mets have payroll room and two more years of criminal-underpayment of Wright and Reyes to play with. Instead of signing Jon Garland for upwards of $10MM, they should be inquiring on Bronson Arroyo, a pitcher with better stuff and even more durable track-record, who the Reds are trying desperately to give away. The advantage here is that the Mets get their "innings-eater" on a one-year deal, while gaining leverage in a trade for a player they'd actually want to build around, like Brandon Phillips. Potentially, the Mets could even get Aaron Harang, a solid starter, not quite the caliber of John Lackey--but close enough, for little additional cost. That's $30.25MM dollars to solve their rotation issues and add another "core" player, with a cheap talent cost and without the uncertainty of negotiation, or temptation to overpay.
Or maybe the Mets will just notice that pitchers better than Jon Garland and Jason Marquis are being desperately ditched by other teams, and get the hint that multi-year, multimillion dollar commitments to pitchers with marginal stuff rarely--if ever--end well. In the never-ending myopia of the Mets brass (and some of their fans), though, the injuries of last season will create a premium on durability. Undoubtedly some nightmarish, Oliver-Perez-part-deux scenario will develop where Jeff Wilpon and John Ricco conference call with "Scott Boras," who is really just Omar Minaya in the other room, forging fake term-sheets between Jon Garland and the Brewers, which he might "accidentally" leave in the fax machine on his way out.
Get Doug Davis, Claudio Vargas, Odalis Perez, Todd Wellemeyer, whomever. They'll give you the desired 200 generic innings at virtually no cost. Get Brandon Knight back from Korea. Livan. What? Yea, Captain Rubber Arm himself. Pop quiz: who had better peripherals last season: Jon Garland or Livan Hernandez? The answer may surprise you.
Alternatively, the Mets could take Magglio Ordonez and his $18MM salary off Dave Dombrowski's hands for the inside track in negotiating a Edwin Jackson or Curtis Granderson trade. Same basic idea: rightfield is hardly a sure thing, whether you believe in Jeff Francoeur or not, and the Mets get to leverage their financial advantage to add a player for the long-term.
Both of those scenarios fill the Mets "holes," both now and in 2011-12, with a little extra cash to burn. Some have speculated that the Wilpon's budget for this season is closer to $20MM, but with so many contracts finally expiring and the luxury-tax threshold rising closer ~$160MM, they can really spend up to $50MM, if they so choose. Let's just take the first trade-scenario, the Reds one, and kind of speculate on a possible team. $31MM leaves $10MM, for the sake of being realistic, which the Mets can use to sign Rick Ankiel and Troy Glaus. Those two are solid complements to Pagan and Murphy, who have middle of the order power, when healthy. If the Mets traded for Magglio and E-Jax they could add a Sheets/Harden tandem to the rotation, which gives them four players with ace-potential. Or they could negotiate a backloaded John Lackey contract, not my favorite idea, but definitely an improvement.
Ordonez, Harang, and Arroyo are basically solid-role players with ripcords for 2011. Adding another cheap "core" caliber player also seems more necessity than luxury with Wright and Reyes' costs rising. The Mets added many high-risk, high-upside players in the 2009 offseason, but did so without accounting for the risk. Oliver Perez has no buyout. Francisco Rodriguez will destroy the payroll in 2012. J.J. Putz had an buy-out, but was a waste of talent. Now faced with high-upside free agents available on the cheap, they seem resolved to do the only thing worse: invest long-term in high-risk, no-upside players. In the year 2011, the Mets graduate their best hitting prospects in 8 years, Ike Davis and Reese Havens, but are unable to complement them with a decent leftielder or bullpen, because no one will take on Jason Marquis' contract. Wait, I know how this ends. I'll take the gap-year, please.
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Like I said...
you and James are KILLING it this off-season.
This is one of those times where, with all due respect, the insight you get here is better than what comes from professional journalists. I have nothing against pro journalists but they certainly have no monopoly on insight.
"Those who fear disorder more than injustice inevitably produce more of both." -- Rev. William Coffin
by dcrockett17 on Nov 30, 2009 6:56 AM EST reply actions 0 recs
insightful....
but the Reds idea sounds like overkill. I have a better idea…. if it could shed the team of Castillo and Ollie Perez… I give you Mr. Barry Zito. The Giants could be the 3rd team in the Castillo to Cubs scenario if they’d be willing to take Milton Bradley. I could envision the Mets winding up with multiple useful parts in such a deal, such as Mike Fontenot, one of the Ginats excess young IFers and a bullpen arm or 2. For the next 2 years this kind of swap could even be pretty near payroll neutral… though Zito costs big time in 2012 and 2013, by that time the only big contracts should be Wright and Reyes (assuming extensions), Johan, Holliday (hopefully) and Zito. Hopefully, by that time we’d have cheap players at 1B (Ike), 2B (Havens) and possibly 2 OF spots (FMart and Capn Kirk).
Though Zito is no longer a #1 or #2 starter, he can probably remain a mid-rotation guy for the next few years and though he’s way overpaid, if it meant that we could unburden the team from the Castillo and Perez deals/roster spots and pick up a few young players in the process it would be worth it.
Another P who has to be available in a salary dump is Gil Meche. and coming off a down year, the talent cost to acquire him now cannot be all that much and he provides the real possibility of being the #2 starter that the team needs with just a 2 year commitment.
by ThnkGoodnessforHowieRose on Nov 30, 2009 9:57 AM EST reply actions 0 recs
You know
I really like the idea of dealing with the Giants. I think they could take Bradley. If they dealt with Barry Bonds, then they could deal with Bradley. Sabean is also really desperate for a LFer with pop. If they lose on their bid for Jason Bay or Holliday, then I could see Sabean taking a chance. This might be the “sucker” that the Mets and Cubs have been waiting on, as per Ted Berg.
by Coolpapabell on Nov 30, 2009 10:42 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
as far as I can gather
the only 3 possible teams that are considering (or would consider) Bradley are the Rays, Rangers or Giants. For me, the key to taking Zito would be if the Mets could get one of the Giants good young pen arms in the deal…. and considering that the Giants are going to need to create payroll space for Tim Lincecum at least down the road, this could be one way they could accomplish it while also getting an OF bat (Bradley).
I certainly don’t love Zito, but a durable LHed SP is important in the NL East with having to face so many tough LHed bats… if you could get him by merely swapping Ollie and Castillo you would do it… the only issue is really the payroll hit in 2012 and 2013.
by ThnkGoodnessforHowieRose on Nov 30, 2009 11:05 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Pitchers
are hard to come by esp. recently for our team. Its better to go into Spring Training with extra pitchers than have a significant problem when someone like a Maine or Perez get injured ( like they always do).
Best Options:
- Trade for Halladay and lock him up for 4 years
- Sign middle of the pack pitchers like Wolf, Garland, Marquis
- Sign Lackey and have no Money to sign another big bat
by Leemet on Nov 30, 2009 9:58 AM EST reply actions 0 recs
I really liked this
I especially liked the idea of dealing with the Reds to help them shed payroll. I was trying to include a trade with the Reds in my AAOP, but I could not figure out what the Reds would want in return. I am sure the Reds would love to shed $30M off their books, and we could get a discount by taking that salary on. The question is what would they want? I have no idea.
Bronson Arroyo also made a good point that management could wait until the All-star break, just to see if the team they have could be in the hunt. Much like the Mets, the Reds also were destroyed by injuries.
by Coolpapabell on Nov 30, 2009 10:36 AM EST reply actions 0 recs
Great post
I have been saying this for awhile to all of my Met fan friends. The Mets really need to take advantage of their financial standing and take on some of these contracts from teams desperate to get rid of them. Adding Arroyo/Harang gives us a very solid middle of the rotation starter and gives us leverage to get Brandon Phillips, like you said. In my AAOP, I tried to do that as often as I could and I advocated for getting Gil Meche and David DeJesus from KC. In any case, there are certainly a number of contracts of very solid players that will be dumped for cheap this offseason, the Mets should be all over these types of deals. Good job.
by CTzFinest on Nov 30, 2009 12:36 PM EST reply actions 0 recs
getting rid of luis and ollie
phillips would be a big upgrade/ offer the cubs luis, ollie anf frenchy for milton and prospects. next try to get johson from the marlins. If that doesn’t work sign lackey or holliday with all the money you saved dumping castillo and ollie
by bob c on Nov 30, 2009 1:13 PM EST reply actions 0 recs
Just thinking here
The Tigers are looking for payroll flexibility, so if we were to take both Cabrera and Ordonez off their hands, and trade them Castillo + prospects, how good will those prospects have to be? Cabrera and Ordonez make 38 million next year, minus 6 from Castillo, that’s 32 million. That sheds a ton of payroll off their roster and, assuming we do have 50 million to spend, leaves us with enough money to sign a guy like Polanco, Harden and/or Sheets, and some defensive replacement guys. Hell, we could even go for the killer lineup and sign Holliday. If we could pull off that trade without giving up Fernando, Mejia or Davis, it has to be done and I’d even do it if it cost Davis since Cabrera would be blocking him fro playing first. That would give us three superstars 27 and under. Is this more unrealistic than I’m thinking it is?
"We must win and we must know how to win rather than win because we have statistical people."
by Evan_S on Nov 30, 2009 1:37 PM EST reply actions 0 recs
It'd be a helluva lineup
It’d be murders row for LHP. Our offense would be like the anti-Phillies with all those righties. Wright, Holliday, Cabrera, Ordonez, Francoeur, Polanco. It would be the worst day of Nick Evans’ life.
"All energy flows according to the whims of the great magnet
What a fool I was to defy him"
-HST
by Mark Himmelstein on Nov 30, 2009 1:53 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
We'd never lose to a LHP
"We must win and we must know how to win rather than win because we have statistical people."
by Evan_S on Nov 30, 2009 1:58 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Paging Sam Page
Who do you think the Reds would like in return for Arroyo and Brandon Phillips?
by Coolpapabell on Nov 30, 2009 5:53 PM EST reply actions 0 recs
Wow that reminds of the time I got lost in Target
I don’t know which of the prospects the Reds specifically like from the Mets organization, but I can think of what their needs are. They don’t need and OF or 1B types, so no F-Mart, Davis, Evans, etc. Considering they don’t really have a 3B, maybe Havens or Murphy straight up? I’m hoping the leverage of taking Arroyo could make it even less—a package of crap like Kunz and Gee.
by Sam Page on Dec 1, 2009 12:23 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
c'mon they aren't going to give Arroyo away
and you don’t consider Scott Rolen a 3Bman?! maybe you mean in the pipeline… ?? you don’t think they consider Juan Francisco their future 3Bman? I think they would like to get a real CFer.
I know it’ll never happen cause Omar doesn’t roll this way, but I’d love the Mets to try to get a young player like Drew Sutton back in the deal. If anything, the Mets will try to get Brandon Phillips back and be saddled with the $11M he has due in 2011…
by ThnkGoodnessforHowieRose on Dec 1, 2009 10:10 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
it's not getting saddled if he's a good player
and Drew Stubbs plays CF
by Sam Page on Dec 1, 2009 10:14 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
I know Stubbs
plays the OF. I said Drew Sutton however. and while Phillips is still in his prime, he isn’t an $11M player imo. James projects BP at .756 and a .330 w/OBA for 2010… good for a 2Bman but hardly numbers that blow you away.
by ThnkGoodnessforHowieRose on Dec 1, 2009 10:32 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
oops
I see what you’re saying about Stubbs playing CF for the Reds. I misread your post. Hey, then I don’t really know what the Reds may be looking for other than cheaper SPing…
by ThnkGoodnessforHowieRose on Dec 1, 2009 10:33 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
I would think
Pelfrey and Castillo get it done. They will need some return for Phillips.
by scott from peekskill on Nov 30, 2009 8:03 PM EST reply actions 0 recs
yep
Pelfrey is a good fit for that ballpark. If the Mets didn’t make emotional attachments to certain players like Pelfrey they could actually make themselves a good forward thinking trade which might net them a couple of good young players.
by ThnkGoodnessforHowieRose on Dec 1, 2009 10:12 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Rubble Rubble
Kunz and Gee………wow, Omar would have to take a picture in a Hamburgler outfit during the presser announcing the deal.
If the Reds were to agree to that, then I would assume they are very desperate to shed pay roll, and close to bankruptcy.
If they want pitching, then I guess Pelfrey would be great for them. I also think Niese fits that description also.
I always like to assume the worst in trade demands. For Harrang, Phillips and Arroyo I would think a package of Pelfrey, Niese, Castillo and Tejada get it done for sure. I would rather keep Niese. Maybe substitute Gee for Niese.
by Coolpapabell on Dec 1, 2009 11:13 AM EST reply actions 0 recs
This deal now has legs........in my brain
I would also try to find a way to Homer Bailey in this deal.
by Coolpapabell on Dec 1, 2009 11:14 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs

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