The Inevitable, Alex Cora Close to Resigning
Apparently he's getting his $2 million, once again guaranteed, this time with some type of vesting option.
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Mark Himmelstein
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Aah the infamous vesting option. My guess:
Playing in 45 games in 2010 activates a $17.5 million dollar option in 2011.
I loathe Omar Minaya. This right here is a horrible move. He can’t hit, he can’t field, he can’t run, so why is he back. Passes over better options for less money, how does this guy have a job?
"We must win and we must know how to win rather than win because we have statistical people."
My guess
If Frankie Rodriguez finishes 50 games in 2010 and is declared healthy by team doctors, Alex Cora gets $17.5 mil next year.
"All energy flows according to the whims of the great magnet
What a fool I was to defy him"
-HST
by Mark Himmelstein on Nov 30, 2009 1:49 PM EST up reply actions
to be fair
i don’t think cora is that bad. were there better/more economical options out there? yes definitely, adam everett was a personal favorite and i’d even had taken vizquel at nearly half cora’s price.
but i don’t know if i’d characterize him as completely useless. i mean he hit as well as could have been expected until he really became overexposed, his defense wasn’t great but at short it was actually a positive and as far as backup MI go speed isn’t a top priority IMO. then of course theres the intangible stuff which i know people hate to hear but does have its value, especially on a team as seemingly rudderless as this one.
by Rob Castellano on Nov 30, 2009 3:41 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
I just can't justify this in any way.
They paid Alex Cora 2 million dollars coming off of a season when he was worth around 3. Okay. Then they pay him 2 million again after he provides no value at all? I just feel sad.
"It's like the old phrase goes.....The balls in your court now Mr.Church, so you take that ball, you dribble it up the court and....................................... get a layup"
- Keith Hernandez
I can't believe this. Strike one Minaya.
Wait, it’s more like strike 45. But for this offseason, you’ve already made a mistake. Mooooooooooron.
"I dunno. I never smoked any Astroturf"
-Tug McGraw
How disappointing
If only because I was hoping that $2 million would go towards the Bengie Molina Fund. Blast!
by James Kannengieser on Nov 30, 2009 2:02 PM EST reply actions
Oh come on, guys....
give Cora a break…..someone has to play SS when that loser Reyes blows out ( insert body part here ).
I think this move is gangsta.
I was shocked
even the Metsblog commenters know this is a terrible deal
by Bieser's Balk on Nov 30, 2009 2:33 PM EST up reply actions
Maybe we'll get lucky
and he’ll get a more serious injury that even his grit can’t overcome with homemade casts.
I think someone may have the term confused....
maybe he’s getting a vest with his number so he can look more grissiony / gangsta.
by fxcarden on Nov 30, 2009 2:14 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
The same one that K-Rod got.
"Blinding ignorance does mislead us. O! Wretched mortals, open your eyes!"
Gil Hodges IS a Hall of Famer.
by Brooklyn Dodgers Mets Fan on Nov 30, 2009 2:44 PM EST up reply actions
I don't get it, either. Where was the market for Cora?
Who was going to pay him $2m, such that we needed to top that w an option?
by SeanSchirmer on Nov 30, 2009 11:19 PM EST up reply actions
Omar and learn are mutually exclusive.
by fxcarden on Nov 30, 2009 2:15 PM EST up reply actions 3 recs
That made me laugh
"We must win and we must know how to win rather than win because we have statistical people."
$2 million for Alex Cora.... again
I could literally walk into the bathroom right now, wait 20 minutes, and produce something that deserves $2 million more than Cora.
terrrrrrible
rrrrr!
I.M. Forme
"When you get yourself into trouble is when you feel you have to do something, and then you get yourself in trouble." --Omar Minaya
Ugh
I kind of like Cora on the bench but that’s way too much money. No other team would offer him close to that. Why is Omar bidding against himself again?
I'm not entirely sure
but I think Omar may have moonlighted as W’s economic adviser the past few years.
"[The Giants] beat us down. We were beat by a grown-man team, a team we want to be like one day. They came in here and took it to us. Out-manned us, out-gunned us. ... It wasn't even close." - Raheem Morris, 9/27/09
well
you wouldn’t want to offend anyone. Cora might throw a tantrum if you offer him half as much as last year, (but twice as much as anyone else would give him.)
by HotChipWillBreakYourLegs on Nov 30, 2009 3:52 PM EST up reply actions
Don't like it...
…no siree, Bob…not one little bit…nosir…
I might like it if it were for…ummm….$400k or so. But $2 mil.????
As they say down south, “SHEEEEEE-IIIIITTTTT.”
Oh, the butcher and the baker and the people on the street: wheredotheygo?!?!?
Clay Davis not a fan of this move
by Bieser's Balk on Nov 30, 2009 2:42 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
rec'd
for the Wire reference
"We're investigating the investigative procedure of the investigation of Tony Bernazard"---Omar Minaya (he really didn't say it but he would"
by firejerrynow on Nov 30, 2009 3:32 PM EST up reply actions
I finally started watching that after the lengthy discussion here a few weeks ago
my God what an amazing show. The first season really blew me away
"[The Giants] beat us down. We were beat by a grown-man team, a team we want to be like one day. They came in here and took it to us. Out-manned us, out-gunned us. ... It wasn't even close." - Raheem Morris, 9/27/09
Just like how I, over the past two weeks, have started watching AD.
Awesome. Just awesome.
"I dunno. I never smoked any Astroturf"
-Tug McGraw
"I just shot my wad on what was supposed to be a dry run"
“do you listen to yourself when you speak?”
by KeithsMoustache on Nov 30, 2009 11:53 PM EST up reply actions
There's only one man I've ever called a coward, and that's Brian Doyle Murray.
No, what I’m calling you is a television actor.
by BobbyV_Incognito on Dec 1, 2009 12:24 AM EST up reply actions
I have pop-pop in the attic
the very fact that you call it that tell me you’re not ready.
by KeithsMoustache on Dec 1, 2009 10:41 AM EST up reply actions
Michael, you are quite the cupid.
You can stick your arrow in my buttocks anytime.
by BobbyV_Incognito on Dec 1, 2009 6:22 PM EST up reply actions
Wait until you get to season 4
"We must win and we must know how to win rather than win because we have statistical people."
season 4 was maybe the best
but they were all good
"We're investigating the investigative procedure of the investigation of Tony Bernazard"---Omar Minaya (he really didn't say it but he would"
by firejerrynow on Nov 30, 2009 8:19 PM EST up reply actions
Why Red Sox > Mets
“Though the Red Sox are still in the market for a shortstop, they did not express interest in bringing Cora back to Boston.”
2 years ago he stopped being a player the RSox wanted
and it’s not like he’s become a better player since
by SeanSchirmer on Nov 30, 2009 11:21 PM EST up reply actions
What does Omar see in Cora?
I mean, okay, there are a lot worse people out there that he could possibly sign, sure, but $2 million dollars? We already learned last season that he’s not worth $2 million dollars. He’s going to be older next season, and play less (if all goes according to plan). What’s going on? Does Cora know magic or something, because he’s obviously got Minaya charmed.
"Blinding ignorance does mislead us. O! Wretched mortals, open your eyes!"
Gil Hodges IS a Hall of Famer.
by Brooklyn Dodgers Mets Fan on Nov 30, 2009 2:46 PM EST reply actions
Blackmailed Omar to give him a contract.
Or in AA terms, “Cora has lobby Omar to give him another above-market-rate contract”.
Maybe Omar thinks 2 million is the league minimum
by Gina on Nov 30, 2009 2:51 PM EST up reply actions 3 recs
It's funny
because it’s true.
"We must win and we must know how to win rather than win because we have statistical people."
You know, that really does explain so much.
Everyone’s just afraid to tell him, lest he sick Bernazard on them.
"Blinding ignorance does mislead us. O! Wretched mortals, open your eyes!"
Gil Hodges IS a Hall of Famer.
by Brooklyn Dodgers Mets Fan on Nov 30, 2009 2:55 PM EST up reply actions
he probably does
that would also explain Tim Redding
"We're investigating the investigative procedure of the investigation of Tony Bernazard"---Omar Minaya (he really didn't say it but he would"
by firejerrynow on Nov 30, 2009 3:33 PM EST up reply actions
Every year a team needs to put money into replacement level players
just to fill AAA with reliable veterans in case of big league emergency. But we don’t need to spend $2 million on any one of those players and we probably don’t need to waste a spot on the 25 man either! Oops!
I could probably name about 50 players better than Cora
but I’m too lazy too
"We're investigating the investigative procedure of the investigation of Tony Bernazard"---Omar Minaya (he really didn't say it but he would"
if you can only name 50 players better than him
you really don’t know much baseball at all
"[The Giants] beat us down. We were beat by a grown-man team, a team we want to be like one day. They came in here and took it to us. Out-manned us, out-gunned us. ... It wasn't even close." - Raheem Morris, 9/27/09
sorry, should've said
50 players available and better than him
"We're investigating the investigative procedure of the investigation of Tony Bernazard"---Omar Minaya (he really didn't say it but he would"
by firejerrynow on Nov 30, 2009 8:19 PM EST up reply actions
I figured it was something like that
I actually thought maybe you forgot to type an extra “0” at the end of 50
"[The Giants] beat us down. We were beat by a grown-man team, a team we want to be like one day. They came in here and took it to us. Out-manned us, out-gunned us. ... It wasn't even close." - Raheem Morris, 9/27/09
Pocket change!
We have plenty of scratch coming in from sales of our shiny new cream colored jerseys. Those babies are like a license to print money.
Haha, we sold literally 0 of those on Black Friday.
"I dunno. I never smoked any Astroturf"
-Tug McGraw
Two words: Bail Out
The mets are too big to fail baby
by HotChipWillBreakYourLegs on Nov 30, 2009 3:54 PM EST up reply actions
isn't that what we did last year?
"We're investigating the investigative procedure of the investigation of Tony Bernazard"---Omar Minaya (he really didn't say it but he would"
by firejerrynow on Nov 30, 2009 8:20 PM EST up reply actions
Ahem, a list of things Omar thinks are a bunch of rubbish.
Sabremetrics
The Free Agent Market
Logic and Reason
Math
Learning From His Mistakes
Not Throwing Money at Problems
Care Bears
Beer is good! And stuff!
The Care Bears don't like Omar, either.
"Blinding ignorance does mislead us. O! Wretched mortals, open your eyes!"
Gil Hodges IS a Hall of Famer.
by Brooklyn Dodgers Mets Fan on Nov 30, 2009 3:55 PM EST up reply actions
Yeah, my anonymous source told me...
it was back when he was overseeing the Montreal Mess.
Beer is good! And stuff!
i lobby more care bears references
I.M. Forme
"When you get yourself into trouble is when you feel you have to do something, and then you get yourself in trouble." --Omar Minaya
false hustle
"We're investigating the investigative procedure of the investigation of Tony Bernazard"---Omar Minaya (he really didn't say it but he would"
by firejerrynow on Nov 30, 2009 4:13 PM EST up reply actions
I don't mind him back
It’s the amount of money they’re signing him too which bothers me.
by The 'Ropolitans on Nov 30, 2009 4:00 PM EST reply actions
In my AAOP
I budgeted $750,000 for him. Maybe that was too generous, but I don’t see why he wouldn’t sign for that. No one else would pay it.
i'm arguing with some dude on another forum and i said that cora sucks
this guy is saying i’m wrong
someone give me some numbers to prove me right
A "Zeile" for avoiding outs
this was the guy's post
How does he suck? He’s fine as a utility player and you saying that clubhouse presence can’t make up for the fact that he “kinda sucks” is just flat out wrong IMO. Look at Julio Franco in 06, remember when Beltran didn’t want to give a curtain call and Franco convinced him to? That very possibly could have changed Beltran career as a Met. Clubhouse presence is a lot more important than you think….
A "Zeile" for avoiding outs
he's citing Julio Franco as his proof that Cora doesn't suck?
that pretty much explains it all
"[The Giants] beat us down. We were beat by a grown-man team, a team we want to be like one day. They came in here and took it to us. Out-manned us, out-gunned us. ... It wasn't even close." - Raheem Morris, 9/27/09
I don't think one curtain call
changed Beltran’s career as a Met. His career changed when he was too much of a pussy to take the bat of the shoulder. Derek Jeter or any other grissiony player would’ve fucking swung.
"We're investigating the investigative procedure of the investigation of Tony Bernazard"---Omar Minaya (he really didn't say it but he would"
by firejerrynow on Nov 30, 2009 8:21 PM EST up reply actions
i said this
I’d rather have a better baseball player than a player who is supposedly “better in the clubhouse”. We could have had much better players for cheaper (Adam Everett and others).
Besides that, Cora was a poor fielder and hitter and a mediocre runner last season. Now consider the fact that he is aging and coming off of surgery. Doesn’t make me feel too confident about him this year either.
A "Zeile" for avoiding outs
I have this vision of impending disaster
where Omar follows up his 2 mil to Cora with like 3/30 to Bengie Molina. God I hate this front office.
and then he offers 4/52
to Livan.
"We're investigating the investigative procedure of the investigation of Tony Bernazard"---Omar Minaya (he really didn't say it but he would"
by firejerrynow on Nov 30, 2009 8:22 PM EST up reply actions
Quit pickin' on Livan. He's a perfectly good 5th starter.
Better than most.
by SeanSchirmer on Nov 30, 2009 11:26 PM EST up reply actions
hey lets be fair, he's probably eaten a number of serviceable 5th starters
and if it works like highlander he should be an amazing 5th
by KeithsMoustache on Nov 30, 2009 11:54 PM EST up reply actions
If only Livan could Digivolve...
"Blinding ignorance does mislead us. O! Wretched mortals, open your eyes!"
Gil Hodges IS a Hall of Famer.
by Brooklyn Dodgers Mets Fan on Dec 1, 2009 9:09 AM EST up reply actions
More Cora details from Rosenthal...
Cora can earn an additional $1 million in performance bonuses: $250,000 each for 80, 90, 100 and 110 starts. There is a $2 million option for 2011 that becomes guaranteed if he has about 80 starts next season.
No chance he starts 80 games again. Essentially a one-year, $2 mil deal.
by The 'Ropolitans on Nov 30, 2009 5:32 PM EST reply actions
So not only did we give Alex Cora 2 million guaranteed,
but we also gave him motive to Kathy Bates’ Reyes’ legs.
"It's like the old phrase goes.....The balls in your court now Mr.Church, so you take that ball, you dribble it up the court and....................................... get a layup"
- Keith Hernandez
Same old
This is what Omar Minaya does. He spends too much money on small roles like backup IF, middle relievers, etc. They could get comparable production out of this spot for the league minimum, yet he wastes that extra ~$1.5M for Cora. That $1.5M could be used on an extra bullpen arm, another bench player to add depth, put towards a contract offer for Holliday or Lackey, etc. It’s stunning how Omar doesn’t get this.
----Warner----
-------13-------
by Scent of a Woman on Nov 30, 2009 6:16 PM EST reply actions
I think the problem is
He decides how much he thinks a player is worth and won’t budge from that number, so while it seems like the extra 2 million we spent on Redding/Cora last year was the difference between Lowe and Perez, it wouldn’t have made a difference because Omar likely had a ball park of what he was willing to pay and wasn’t going to go above or below that regardless of extra funds.
At least Omar seems to be picking up some catching depth.
Word is the Mets got Chris Coste, who’s not bad at all, and that Omar’s looking at Barajas, too.
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