It's Finally Over Applesauce - SNY Met promos, Rollins unbelieving, Phils undecided on Lee
by Joe Budd on Nov 5, 2009 9:25 AM EST
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I thought that with the end of the Met season, the pain would stop. I was so wrong. Now, finally, I can be at peace for at least a few months.
Meet the Mets
It's kind of weird starting today's post off with Met news, but here goes.
Bill James predicts solid seasons from Wright, Reyes, and Francoeur.
Ted Berg posts some hysterical SNY promos that didn't make the cut.
At least now the Mets weren't the last team the Yankees beat in the World Series...
Greg Prince breaks out his inner Toby Ziegler. While Ziegler was a Yankee fan, Met fans always had the significantly more enjoyable Josh Lyman on their side.
Around the NL East
The Phillies are apparently still undecided about extending Cliff Lee's contract.
USA Today picks up on the hating on Cole Hamels.
Jimmy "Subtle" Rollins says the Phillies were still the better team.
And, just to rub some salt in their wounds, the Daily News prints a psychiatrist's advice for Philly fans.
Jim Riggleman might end up with the National managerial job after all.
The Braves have added bullpen arm Scott Proctor.
Around MLB
The new Yankee Stadium feels like the old one because of the magic. Ugh. Lupica.
Hideki Matsui is the first Japanese-born World Series MVP. How about that.
The Yankee victory parade is scheduled for tomorrow. Had they won, the city of Philadelphia would not have paid for their's. Last night's victory was quite tame by Philadelphia standards.
Seattle has picked up Yusmeiro Petit.
The Rangers have replaced Rudy Jaramillo with Clint Hurdle.
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Actually I feel pretty good about the WS result
because I can dismiss the Yankee win due to their payroll and because the Phillies got kicked in the junk by hideki Matsui (who I like).
Rollins should STFU. That whole “we were the better team but they played better” should never be said out loud. It makes you sound like kind of a bitch.
by HotChipWillBreakYourLegs on Nov 5, 2009 10:01 AM EST reply actions 0 recs
And how could you think you're better when you kinda had your asses handed to you?
"I dunno. I never smoked any Astroturf"
-Tug McGraw
by squid92 on Nov 5, 2009 10:13 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
and when you lost more regular season (and postseason) games playing in the worse league
Rollins is a clown, straight up.
"[The Giants] beat us down. We were beat by a grown-man team, a team we want to be like one day. They came in here and took it to us. Out-manned us, out-gunned us. ... It wasn't even close." - Raheem Morris, 9/27/09
by cjmulrain on Nov 5, 2009 10:37 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
I am still trying to figure out by what measure the Phillies are "better"
- Better regular season record…no
- More dominant team…no
- Better rotation…no
- Better offense…no
- Better closer…no
- Better “predictions”…no
by JayWise on Nov 5, 2009 10:44 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
well, they're better at being douches
so there’s that
"[The Giants] beat us down. We were beat by a grown-man team, a team we want to be like one day. They came in here and took it to us. Out-manned us, out-gunned us. ... It wasn't even close." - Raheem Morris, 9/27/09
by cjmulrain on Nov 5, 2009 10:52 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
They're better like Armondo Benitez was better than Rivera, as discussed last night.
"Blinding ignorance does mislead us. O! Wretched mortals, open your eyes!"
by Brooklyn Dodgers Mets Fan on Nov 5, 2009 12:42 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
the phillies have a higher battery average
also discussed
by KeithsMoustache on Nov 5, 2009 2:01 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
The Phillies have more grisson.
No weekend spent pantsless is a wasted weekend.
by sireric on Nov 5, 2009 6:18 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Kinda Like Met Fans talking about their team....
…after the 2007 season?
by EastFallowfield on Nov 5, 2009 4:15 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
I didn't know losing the division by 1.5 games
was “getting our hands handed to us.”
"We must win and we must know how to win rather than win because we have statistical people."
by Evan_S on Nov 5, 2009 4:19 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
*1 game
1.5 was the wild card.
"We must win and we must know how to win rather than win because we have statistical people."
by Evan_S on Nov 5, 2009 4:21 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
well we kinda got our asses handed to us in the last 2 weeks
can’t argue that point unfortunately.
by KeithsMoustache on Nov 5, 2009 4:22 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
We didn't get our asses handed to us as much as we gave everyone our asses to give back to us. Or something like that.
"Blinding ignorance does mislead us. O! Wretched mortals, open your eyes!"
by Brooklyn Dodgers Mets Fan on Nov 5, 2009 5:26 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
that's true
for a Yankee, Matsui isn’t so bad
by JoshNY on Nov 5, 2009 11:10 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
What do you mean 'kind of'?
There’s no ‘kind of’ about it. I hate that punk.
by KennyKatella on Nov 5, 2009 1:50 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Cliff Lee
The Phillies sans Cliff Lee would be a great way to start next season.
P.S. I hope Mike Lupika has been punched in the face at least once in his life.
by Coolpapabell on Nov 5, 2009 10:09 AM EST reply actions 0 recs
LOL he probably has --
His articles read like once-upon-a-time bedtime stories. He thinks he’s Hemingway.
by Solomon96 on Nov 5, 2009 12:28 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Cliff Lee's contract runs through next season
that article wasn’t talking about his ’10 option.
by Sam Page on Nov 5, 2009 12:41 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Isn't the option for next season?
They have to pick up his option or he’s a free agent this winter.
"We must win and we must know how to win rather than win because we have statistical people."
by Evan_S on Nov 5, 2009 2:24 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
I got this mlbtraderumors 2010 free agents
Cliff Lee (31) – $8MM club option with a $1MM buyout – Type A
They are talking about this off-season because Jason Bay and Matt Holliday are both included.
It seems like a no brainer for the Phillies, especially factoring Cole Hammels’ struggles. I would hope Omar jumps on this in the event that this impossibility were to occur.
by Coolpapabell on Nov 5, 2009 3:45 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
I love Bill James
but those predictions are useless in this day and age without OBP.
"I dunno. I never smoked any Astroturf"
-Tug McGraw
by squid92 on Nov 5, 2009 10:12 AM EST reply actions 0 recs
what does
“this day and age without OBP” mean?
by letsgocyclones on Nov 5, 2009 10:20 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
oh
i think i read you wrong but it still doesn’t make sense to me. James loves himself some OBP.
by letsgocyclones on Nov 5, 2009 10:24 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Two points
1) These aren’t really Bill James’s projections, as he has little to do with the forecasting system in the BJH. I don’t mean to be pedantic here, either, because I think a lot of people see “projections in the Bill James Handbook” to mean “Bill James’s projections”. There is an important difference.
2) The BJH projections do contain OBP and SLG, Matt just neglected to include them at MB. We’ll have a review of the book up shortly that will include those metrics, with the caveat that the BJH projections are traditionally more sanguine than those of other systems.
by Eric Simon on Nov 5, 2009 10:29 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
bill james is like santa
can’t be everywhere at once so he sends his “helpers” to your local mall. you understand.
by letsgocyclones on Nov 5, 2009 10:34 AM EST up reply actions 3 recs
"What do you want for October?"
(insert response here)
BTW, my birthday is in October, so this one has a sort of double-meaning. I do feel bad for people born on Christmas Day, though…
"The picture looked like I was in the dugout, but they got it all wrong. I absolutely was never in the dugout."
- Mr. B.V. Incognito
by sj10689 on Nov 5, 2009 1:03 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
yeah
Bill James knows all about OBP. It’s Cerrone who’s still living in 1974.
by JoshNY on Nov 5, 2009 11:06 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Cerrone would be living in 1950
if it wasn’t for his laptop
"We're investigating the investigative procedure of the investigation of Tony Bernazard"---Omar Minaya (he really didn't say it but he would"
by firejerrynow on Nov 5, 2009 3:36 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
So wait, are these different from the James projections that display on Fangraphs?
Or the same? Because James predicting “Solid” seasons isn’t exactly exciting, his (or theirs) tend to be by far the most optimistic of the major projection systems.
"All energy flows according to the whims of the great magnet
What a fool I was to defy him"
-HST
by Meddler on Nov 5, 2009 2:00 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
for that matter
the predictions for Francoeur are really only “solid” because HEY LOOK RBI. Cerrone is an idiot.
by JoshNY on Nov 5, 2009 3:06 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
87 RBI's PEOPLE!
He’s a winner
"We're investigating the investigative procedure of the investigation of Tony Bernazard"---Omar Minaya (he really didn't say it but he would"
by firejerrynow on Nov 5, 2009 3:36 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
I work in Fort Lee,
right next to the GWB.
A woman I work with came in and was all “YANKEES! YANKEES! YANKEES!” Then she says, “Oh, for the parade tomorrow, traffic is going to be terrible…”
Having had enough, I bellow, "Oh, cry me a river. You just won the World Series! ‘My wallet’s too small for all my $50s and my diamond shoes are too tight.’ Please! You’ve got nothing to complain about. "
She and a couple other lemmings in my office looked at me shocked and suddenly I was the “wrong” one.
Oh, the butcher and the baker and the people on the street: wheredotheygo?!?!?
by CharlieH on Nov 5, 2009 10:14 AM EST reply actions 6 recs
hahaha, rec'd
good response by you, I say
by JoshNY on Nov 5, 2009 11:07 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Victorino made the last out.
There’s redemption in there somewhere.
by fxcarden on Nov 5, 2009 10:27 AM EST reply actions 0 recs
and didn't make the second out
in the bottom of the third.
by letsgocyclones on Nov 5, 2009 10:37 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
the part of the season the Mets are the best at!
"[The Giants] beat us down. We were beat by a grown-man team, a team we want to be like one day. They came in here and took it to us. Out-manned us, out-gunned us. ... It wasn't even close." - Raheem Morris, 9/27/09
by cjmulrain on Nov 5, 2009 10:52 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Yeah
I’m getting tired of “winning” December through February and very little else.
Oh, the butcher and the baker and the people on the street: wheredotheygo?!?!?
by CharlieH on Nov 5, 2009 10:54 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
"Mets sign John Lackey for $15 million a year contract"
Then posts a 3.75 or so ERA in the regular season. I can surely relate!
"The picture looked like I was in the dugout, but they got it all wrong. I absolutely was never in the dugout."
- Mr. B.V. Incognito
by sj10689 on Nov 5, 2009 1:06 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Things always look so bright during the winter...
"Blinding ignorance does mislead us. O! Wretched mortals, open your eyes!"
by Brooklyn Dodgers Mets Fan on Nov 5, 2009 12:44 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Ah, so true
The Mets were playing 7 inning games. 4 starting pitchers were locks for 15 wins. And remember how deep the lineup was with Moises Alou and Ryan Church in the bottom half?
by TheBigStapler on Nov 5, 2009 12:59 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Hey Jimmy, I got a message for ya!
Now fuck off!
Beer is good! And stuff!
by R_Adragna on Nov 5, 2009 11:43 AM EST reply actions 1 recs
I can't imagine what Toby would think about Shane Victorino
He wouldn’t be able to enjoy the Yankees victory because he would be so angry about the incredible douchiness of the Phillies and all Philadelphians.
by boom_roasted on Nov 5, 2009 12:32 PM EST reply actions 0 recs
Stuff
That’s an awesome promo.
Let’s hope those predictions from Bill James come true. Especially Francoeur. I’d take .276 with 18 home runs, 87 RBI from him any day of the week.
How can the Phllies be undecided about renewing Cliff Lee’s contract- unless they know something that we don’t. Moyer might retire, Pedro is probably going to move elsewhere, Myers is probably going to move elsewhere…Hamels didn’t have a very good season, Blanton is overrated but will give you a bunch of solid starts, and Happ is still a rookie, at the end of the day. They need Lee if they want to make a continued run at the playoffs next season. I’m all for them not renewing his contract, but…It seems like an Omar move, not renewing it.
Jimmy Rollins is such a little bitch. Seriously. Even Pedro was man enough to know that the Yankees were his daddy, once upon a time, and Pedro is a Hall of Famer, whereas Jimmy Rollins is more akin to Karim Garcia than Pedro.
"Blinding ignorance does mislead us. O! Wretched mortals, open your eyes!"
by Brooklyn Dodgers Mets Fan on Nov 5, 2009 12:41 PM EST reply actions 0 recs
Re: Francoeur
Cerrone and Rubin don’t really help us out here. Sure 18 HR is solid, but what is Francoeur’s OBP with that .276 avg? Given Francoeur’s history, he will be flirting with that .300 OBP line all season.
Next year should be fun again.
by boom_roasted on Nov 5, 2009 12:47 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
.278
I have faith he’ll be hit by at least one pitch
"[The Giants] beat us down. We were beat by a grown-man team, a team we want to be like one day. They came in here and took it to us. Out-manned us, out-gunned us. ... It wasn't even close." - Raheem Morris, 9/27/09
by cjmulrain on Nov 5, 2009 12:48 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
.275
he will, but with all the sac flies, it cancels out
"We're investigating the investigative procedure of the investigation of Tony Bernazard"---Omar Minaya (he really didn't say it but he would"
by firejerrynow on Nov 5, 2009 3:38 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
It'd be at least .276, which means he's getting on base about 25% of the time, which is better than I would have projected him.
"Blinding ignorance does mislead us. O! Wretched mortals, open your eyes!"
by Brooklyn Dodgers Mets Fan on Nov 5, 2009 12:55 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
I sense hollow optimism
It looks good, but it’s really a load of crap. It’s as real as Corinthian leather.
"The picture looked like I was in the dugout, but they got it all wrong. I absolutely was never in the dugout."
- Mr. B.V. Incognito
by sj10689 on Nov 5, 2009 12:59 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Francoeur is going to win the pitching and hitting Triple Crown next season, damn it!
"Blinding ignorance does mislead us. O! Wretched mortals, open your eyes!"
by Brooklyn Dodgers Mets Fan on Nov 5, 2009 1:22 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
I'll put my betting chips in Vegas
And get my picture on Forbes magazine. I can see it now…
I’m staring you down, Ingvar Kamprad!
"The picture looked like I was in the dugout, but they got it all wrong. I absolutely was never in the dugout."
- Mr. B.V. Incognito
by sj10689 on Nov 5, 2009 2:08 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
better than projected, maybe
but still absolutely horrendous for a corner outfielder
by JoshNY on Nov 5, 2009 3:07 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
"Hideki Matsui is the first Japanese-born World Series MVP. How about that."
YES! One of my wishes on the top-10 list was fulfilled!!!
"The picture looked like I was in the dugout, but they got it all wrong. I absolutely was never in the dugout."
- Mr. B.V. Incognito
by sj10689 on Nov 5, 2009 12:50 PM EST reply actions 0 recs
on the plus side
This was probably the worst possible baseball season. Unless David Wright dies of swine flu next year, it can’t possibly be worse in 2010.
And, pace Lupica, yes, the magic of a multi-billion dollar stadium that was funded by ripping off NY taxpayers so the Yankees could finally get it right after 9 years and buy a championship. Excuse me while I go write purple prose about the magic of Goldman Sachs (a Phillies fan friend of mine astutely compared the Yankees to GS last night).
Somehow, a chain of events unfolded that put Steve Phillips in a professional broadcast booth Sunday night so he could rip Carlos Beltran. Try to explain that in any other terms.
by Greenpoint Ian on Nov 5, 2009 12:50 PM EST reply actions 0 recs
Four more years with Mike Bloomberg
Wait here while I wish for a civil insurrection… I can’t stand that pompous, condescending SOB!
“The people have voted, and they voted for progress!”
Ohh, the agony… for those of you in your 60s+, this rings a bell similar to JFK’s “silent majority” being shunned.
Maybe it will all come down to 2012…
"The picture looked like I was in the dugout, but they got it all wrong. I absolutely was never in the dugout."
- Mr. B.V. Incognito
by sj10689 on Nov 5, 2009 12:58 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
he was still by far the best choice
Thompson’s only selling point was “hey, I’m a Democrat!”
by JoshNY on Nov 5, 2009 3:08 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
There's always this...
Oh, the butcher and the baker and the people on the street: wheredotheygo?!?!?
by CharlieH on Nov 5, 2009 1:15 PM EST reply actions 0 recs
True
By the way, there are two picture graphics in this post… of the same person!
If you don’t know what I mean, think “inside reference”.
"The picture looked like I was in the dugout, but they got it all wrong. I absolutely was never in the dugout."
- Mr. B.V. Incognito
by sj10689 on Nov 5, 2009 2:03 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
You've lost me.
Oh, the butcher and the baker and the people on the street: wheredotheygo?!?!?
by CharlieH on Nov 5, 2009 2:36 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
This ring a bell?
"The picture looked like I was in the dugout, but they got it all wrong. I absolutely was never in the dugout."
- Mr. B.V. Incognito
by sj10689 on Nov 5, 2009 7:24 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Still don't get how Bert is the same as Saddam Hussein
"We must win and we must know how to win rather than win because we have statistical people."
by Evan_S on Nov 5, 2009 7:33 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Oh, wait...
I thought for a moment that was Osama.
But in any case, it was almost coincidential. Almost.
"The picture looked like I was in the dugout, but they got it all wrong. I absolutely was never in the dugout."
- Mr. B.V. Incognito
by sj10689 on Nov 5, 2009 7:56 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
From Hubbach, via Cerrone:
Mets won’t pick up Putz’s option.
Oh, the butcher and the baker and the people on the street: wheredotheygo?!?!?
by CharlieH on Nov 5, 2009 3:25 PM EST reply actions 0 recs
great
can we use the saved money to sign Endy Chavez?
Somehow, a chain of events unfolded that put Steve Phillips in a professional broadcast booth Sunday night so he could rip Carlos Beltran. Try to explain that in any other terms.
by Greenpoint Ian on Nov 5, 2009 4:34 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
I miss Endy
Coming off an injury, I wonder if he could be had for about $1 million.
"We must win and we must know how to win rather than win because we have statistical people."
by Evan_S on Nov 5, 2009 4:41 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
I knew they wouldn't
Forecast said that if they did, the Mets would have fired Minaya before next season ended.
"The picture looked like I was in the dugout, but they got it all wrong. I absolutely was never in the dugout."
- Mr. B.V. Incognito
by sj10689 on Nov 5, 2009 7:30 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
IOW
The Mets will no longer be holding their Putz…
(I’m here all week, folks! Try the veal…)
Oh, the butcher and the baker and the people on the street: wheredotheygo?!?!?
by CharlieH on Nov 5, 2009 3:25 PM EST reply actions 0 recs
The comedic value of his last name was the only real value we got back in that trade
"Blinding ignorance does mislead us. O! Wretched mortals, open your eyes!"
by Brooklyn Dodgers Mets Fan on Nov 5, 2009 4:12 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
yup we now successfully threw those players away for absolutely nothing except this joke
and others of its kind.
to be fair this deal did also net us Green and Reed…..
::weeps silently over keyboard::
by KeithsMoustache on Nov 5, 2009 4:20 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Just like the Mets retired 'Shea', I think we should also retire the last name 'Green'.
That way, we won’t have to worry about more Shawn/Sean Greens coming back to haunt us, with bad performances on the field.
Don’t the Jets have a Shawn Greene, who also screwed something up mightily a few weeks ago?
"Blinding ignorance does mislead us. O! Wretched mortals, open your eyes!"
by Brooklyn Dodgers Mets Fan on Nov 5, 2009 5:29 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Shonn Greene
And Sean Green wasn’t that bad. He’s a serviceable reliever.
"We must win and we must know how to win rather than win because we have statistical people."
by Evan_S on Nov 5, 2009 5:48 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Misconceptions abound!
Relievers are SUPPOSED to have lower ERAs than SPs! A decent SP’s ERA is no higher than 3.75. A decent RP, 3.20.
Why?
Because going through a batting order 2-3 times is supposed to raise your ERA, that’s why.
And BTW, 4.52 ERA with a 4.42 FIP and .293 baBIP! There is NO excuse! We need to hope Sean Green develops into much better.
"The picture looked like I was in the dugout, but they got it all wrong. I absolutely was never in the dugout."
- Mr. B.V. Incognito
by sj10689 on Nov 5, 2009 7:35 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Green was fine this year as demonstrated
here by James. Plus, he also rides a unicycle so that’s cool.
"We must win and we must know how to win rather than win because we have statistical people."
by Evan_S on Nov 5, 2009 7:44 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
That he rides a unicycle, he gets a pass for last year
But, I want to have confidence in him. I did for maybe a month or so near the beginning of the season. By the end of the year, he was approaching Aaron Heilman level lack of confidence.
And I liked Heilman, too.
"Blinding ignorance does mislead us. O! Wretched mortals, open your eyes!"
by Brooklyn Dodgers Mets Fan on Nov 5, 2009 8:25 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Well...
I didn’t necessarily say the Mets should get rid of him. Obviously, I still have faith that the grass is greener on the other ride – the one through 2010. Roller coaster seasons are no stranger to the Mets faithful. I’m faithful, no?
Well, if Sean Green rides a unicycle, obviously his feet are not the problem. It probably has something to do with his arm. And as the graph showed, that is a plausibility.
"The picture looked like I was in the dugout, but they got it all wrong. I absolutely was never in the dugout."
- Mr. B.V. Incognito
by sj10689 on Nov 5, 2009 9:20 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
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