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Devil's Advocate: Final Edition

For those of you who haven't seen, I've been posting a running comparison of many of the players that the Mets were rumored to be interested in last winter vs. the players that we actually ended up with.  (See part I here, part II here and part III here)  This will be the final and decisive comparison to decide once and for all what Omar truly should have done last offseason.

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                                                   Winner:   Randywolf_medium

Player IP ERA FIP tRA K/9 BB/9 HR/9 AVG BABIP WAR
Oliver Perez 66.0 6.82 6.40 6.96 8.45 7.91 1.64 .270 .315 -0.8
Derek Lowe 194.2 4.67 4.06 4.61 5.13 2.91 0.74 .297 .330  2.7
Randy Wolf 214.1 3.23 3.96 4.27 6.72 2.44 1.01 .227 .257    3

  • Obviously Omar should not have signed Perez to that contract, we all know that.  I tend to think he'll bounce back next year but that's mostly just blind faith more than anything.  But his AVG against was way way up and I have a hard time believing his stuff left him that quickly.
  • However, the prevailing idea that Lowe was a slam dunk last winter was pretty inaccurate as well.  He took a big step back and at age 36 that is definitely not a good sign.  Even his bread & butter GB/FB was a career worst 2.18 and w/ his K/9 declining too he really needs those gb's to succeed.  One positive, his BABIP of .330 was way too high and should regress in 2010 but will it be enough to bring him back from mediocrity?
  • The clear winner here was Randy Wolf especially when you compare his 1yr/$5M contract w/ the monstrosities Perez & Lowe got.  But while he had a very good year it's pretty clear that he got pretty lucky to do so as his results don't match his peripherals (his tRA is a full run higher than his actual ERA).  In addition a very low BABIP and nearly a career high LOB% helped him keep his final numbers artifically low.  I think the time to acquire Wolf has passed as he'll be looking for a bigger contract and will almost definitely regress a lot.

                                                    Winner: Orlando-hudson-hits-for-the-cycle_medium

Player PA AVG OBP SLG HR BB/K UZR SB BABIP WAR
Luis Castillo 580 0.302 0.387 0.346 1 1.19 -11.3 20/26 0.342 1.5
Orlando Hudson 631 0.283 0.357 0.417 9 0.63 -3.7 8/9 0.332 2.9

  • This was an interesting race all year but ultimately Castillo's lack of range in the field killed him.  However, in a good lineup Castillo's '09 would have been quite valuable in terms of his OBP; unfortunately ours wasn't.  And while his BABIP looks high, it's really not considering his .333 career mark.  There's no reason he can't continue to put up seasons like this offensively as his ratios were all stable but his diminishing D is a serious concern.
  • Hudson had an odd year in that he was benched by Sept. but it really was a good season.  And like Wolf, when you take into consideration his contract (1yr/$3.4M) it becomes very good.  Like Castillo, Hudson sports a high career BABIP so his '09 mark isn't far out of line and he maintained many of his key peripherals so he should be fine going forward; though his once vaunted defense is now definitely fading.  Also like Wolf, he'll likely expect a bigger payday this winter making him less attractive despite his apparent dream to play in Queens.


                                                    Winner: 138925_brewers_reds_baseball_medium

Player G Sv ERA FIP K/9 BB/9 HR/9 AVG 09 $ WAR
Francisco Rodriguez 70 35/42 3.71 4.01 9.66 5.03 0.93 .210 8.5M 0.3
Brian Fuentes 65 48/55 3.93 4.42 7.53 3.93 0.98 .255 8.5M 0.4
Trevor Hoffman 55 37/41 1.83 2.63 8 2.33 0.33 .187 8M 1.5
Kerry Wood 58 20/26 4.25 4.15 10.31 4.58 0.97 .236 10M 0.4
Huston Street 64 35/37 3.06 2.93 10.22 1.90 0.68 .213 4.5M 1.5

  • So apparently it wasn't the great year for FA closers we all thought it was.  K-Rod for one had his worst year to date; most of his key peripherals continued to decline especially the ever-important K/BB.  He still strikes out enough guys to succeed and he really isn't any easier to hit, but he's just putting WAY too many men on base via the walk.  That and his HR/9 jumped which will probably normalize a bit next season.  For what it's worth, IMO his decreased/sporadic usage in the 2nd half had an adverse effect on him (post-ASB 6.75 era & drastic increase in BB/9).  Ironically, the much ballyhooed declining FB velo. actually climbed by almost a full MPH in '09, so maybe he was telling the truth.
  • Fuentes was nearly about as bad and what's worse, he posted a 5.02 ERA in the playoffs.  Fuentes saw some even more serious erosion of his peripherals and w/ a .255 AVG became very hittable.  And no, it wasn't the BABIP (.301), he just sucked.  I'd be even more worried about him going forward.
  • To be fair Hoffman was never seriously linked to the Mets but he was the clear winner in this bunch.  Incredibly, he saw huge increases as compared w/ his career #'s and had one of his best seasons at age 42.  He suddenly became ultra-difficult to hit and while some of it was definitely luck (.240 BABIP), he looks quite solid going forward.
  • Wood was another popular option around these parts and he was another disaster.  He is actually a very similar pitcher to K-Rod in that while he's observing continued declines across the board, he can still strike guys out, he walks WAY too many and gave up a ton of HRs, though his stuff is a bit more hittable than Frankie's.  And believe it or not, he made even more $ in 2009.
  • Street is the one non-FA closer up here so it's not quite fair to list his salary as he would have also cost players but he was definitely available and linked to the Mets.  Instead we traded for Putz.  But Street had a tremendous season by simply striking out a ton of guys, allowing very few walks and limiting hits.  Simple enough, right?  However, Street did post a 9.00 ERA in the playoffs.

So we can conclude that Omar did pretty terribly last offseason.  He lost out in each of the 3 major positional "upgrades".  He also somehow managed to group together most of the lowest WARs from these lists while also collecting some of the highest salaries.  This should come as no surprise to anybody here but Omar is not very good at maximizing his dollars.  Exhibit A:  Omar's 2008 offseason group was worth a total of $4.9M in 2009 (in terms of their WAR's) yet received $26.5M from Omar.  Ouch.  But hey, maybe this offseason will be better.

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i realize i could/should have gone w/ statcorner’s #’s but the moral of the story is the same either way

by Rob Castellano on Nov 9, 2009 10:54 AM EST up reply actions  

/facepalm

"I dunno. I never smoked any Astroturf"
-Tug McGraw

by squid92 on Nov 8, 2009 11:13 PM EST reply actions  

Hmm...

Perez, I agree that he’ll bounce back, because I do think that he does have some decent amount of skill, if he can figure out what the hell his problem is, and because, realistically, it’s hard to have a season worse than his. A few stints on the DL, being highly ineffective when he wasn’t…He’ll never live up to a contract of that magnitude, though. Jake Peavy makes only $1 million dollars more, and they are in two different categories, with Peavy being one of the contemporary elites, and Perez being…Perez.

Looking at their WAR comparisons, Hudson was almost two times as impactful as Castillo. That’s pretty interesting. Being as that I’m just starting to learn the advanced stats, beforehand, I would have made the argument that Castillo was better, being as that his better average was nearly .20 points higher than Hudsons, his OBP was almost .30 points higher than Hudson’s, he had about ten more steals, and his Fielding% was only about .10 points lower. The power differential was the main difference. But, WAR doesn’t lie, so it really is all about the glove and range. I’m not exactly clamoring to run Castillo out of town in favor of Hudson, though…

I was wishy-washy about all of the closers that were available over last winter via FA or trade, and felt that K-Rod or Fuentes was the way to go, with K-Rod being the better of the two because of Fuentes’ inability to even hold down the closer’s job while in Colorado. Fuentes had more saves, by proxy of him being with the Angels, but on that matter, we made the right choice between the two. And, geeze, I didn’t realize that Trevor Hoffman had THAT good of a season.

"Blinding ignorance does mislead us. O! Wretched mortals, open your eyes!"

by Brooklyn Dodgers Mets Fan on Nov 8, 2009 11:15 PM EST reply actions  

I think the real moral of the story

is that the “big” moves last year really didn’t matter – Derek Lowe, Orlando Hudson, and Trevor Hoffman were not taking the 2009 Mets to the playoffs. Maybe the Mets would have won closer to 80 games, but that’s not saying much. It’s the little moves that torpedoed the Mets season.

"[The Giants] beat us down. We were beat by a grown-man team, a team we want to be like one day. They came in here and took it to us. Out-manned us, out-gunned us. ... It wasn't even close." - Raheem Morris, 9/27/09

by cjmulrain on Nov 9, 2009 12:01 AM EST reply actions   1 recs

This

I remember a year ago everyone was pining for Lowe, but I didn’t think his contract was all that much more appealing than the one Ollie got. Sure, he was coming off a better year and seemed like a good bet to be a solid, durable pitcher for 2009, but there really just isn’t much precedent for a pitcher of Lowe’s mold succeeding deep into his 30s. Most of the right handed pitchers who did manage to pitch deep into their twilight years were all much more strikeout heavy and/or had a significant period of their career where they were truly dominant aces. I remember having this debate and pointing this out last offseason after Lowe got his four year deal: on both B-R and PECOTA you find comps lists for him littered with guys who fizzled out in their late 30s, and the ones who didn’t are almost all left handed.

"All energy flows according to the whims of the great magnet

What a fool I was to defy him"

-HST

by Mark Himmelstein on Nov 9, 2009 1:18 AM EST up reply actions  

completely agree

i was with you on this then and i’m with you now

by Rob Castellano on Nov 9, 2009 10:56 AM EST up reply actions  

Buy = But

I can’t spell this early in the morning.

http://www.capitolavenueclub.com/

by PWHjort on Nov 9, 2009 7:31 AM EST up reply actions  

23 Million

not 26.5

"We're just as bad as the old Mets, but this time nobody's laughing"
-Dallas Green

by Stephen Schmidt on Nov 9, 2009 2:40 PM EST up reply actions  

Eitehr way

It’s around $12 million dollars more than we should be paying him

"We must win and we must know how to win rather than win because we have statistical people."

by Evan_S on Nov 9, 2009 2:42 PM EST up reply actions  

There is a $3.5 million buyout attached to his 2012 club option

He’s guaranteed $26.5 million more.

http://www.capitolavenueclub.com/

by PWHjort on Nov 9, 2009 9:45 PM EST up reply actions  

and the injuries.

Most definitely the injury management, at least.

"I dunno. I never smoked any Astroturf"
-Tug McGraw

by squid92 on Nov 9, 2009 4:47 PM EST up reply actions  

Oli has only had one good season in his career

in 2004. Maybe he will bounce back to 2007/2008 levels, but those weren’t really that good (4.35, 4.68 FIPs). He’s a back of the rotation starter.

It’s really sad what Omar did last offseason. In addition to overspending, he went with the players with multi-year commitments.

by EtSuKe on Nov 9, 2009 12:10 AM EST reply actions  

I agree.

Ollie Perez bounce back: from completely useless to below average.

www.twitter.com/willDavidian

by All Shook Down on Nov 9, 2009 8:34 AM EST up reply actions  

Hey, below average is better than completely useless. I'll take it!

"Blinding ignorance does mislead us. O! Wretched mortals, open your eyes!"

by Brooklyn Dodgers Mets Fan on Nov 9, 2009 4:49 PM EST up reply actions  

I don't think that Hoffman would have been the best choice overall

for this year, yes…. but considering that Hoffman is 42, he’s not a good long-term option

"Solo homers usually come with no one on base." -Ralph Kiner

by metsguy234 on Nov 9, 2009 11:35 AM EST reply actions  

Bullpen arms should never be long term type pieces.

2 yr deals should really be the maximum a smart GM gives out.

"We're just as bad as the old Mets, but this time nobody's laughing"
-Dallas Green

by Stephen Schmidt on Nov 9, 2009 2:42 PM EST up reply actions  

I agree 100%

Mo might be the lone exception, but he’s the greatest reliever of all time. There probably won’t ever be one like him again.

http://www.capitolavenueclub.com/

by PWHjort on Nov 9, 2009 9:46 PM EST up reply actions  

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