Oh, Carlos Monasterios, How Our Time Together Was So Short
That was a waste. Why make only one pick? Why then sell him for a sum that is, ultimately, a drop in the bucket? Barring having worked things out earlier with the Dodgers, who didn't get a pick- which still doesn't explain why we didn't use more picks to take a player of our own- I don't really see the strategy in this. The Rule V draft is a thing of luck, but you don't really help your chances of cashing in a jackpot by not participating...
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What the heck
I don’t understand this at all. Is money so important? Heck, why couldn’t the Mets have traded their pick away for an actual player, like the Nationals did? This seems so staggeringly bad, I’m not willing to accept there’s no reason behind this other than sheer incompetence.
Even if money is REALLY important, let's say (and I don't believe it, still), $150,000 doesn't even pay the Major League minimum.
"Blinding ignorance does mislead us. O! Wretched mortals, open your eyes!"
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by Brooklyn Dodgers Mets Fan on Dec 10, 2009 12:55 PM EST up reply actions
It can sign some very useful prospects.
Why not make this move if they weren’t going to use the pick anyway?
"We're just as bad as the old Mets, but this time nobody's laughing"
-Dallas Green
by Stephen Schmidt on Dec 10, 2009 1:14 PM EST up reply actions
What makes you think that's what the money will be used for?
"All energy flows according to the whims of the great magnet
What a fool I was to defy him"
-HST
by Mark Himmelstein on Dec 10, 2009 1:15 PM EST up reply actions
If it's used, who cares what it's used for?
If the Mets weren’t impressed with anyone, at least they got something for the pick. It’s hard to criticize taking free money instead of nothing.
"We're just as bad as the old Mets, but this time nobody's laughing"
-Dallas Green
by Stephen Schmidt on Dec 10, 2009 1:17 PM EST up reply actions
Granted I don't have access to the same scouting reports and whatnot
But I could name at least three or four guys off the top of my head who were available with that pick and would have been a more worthwhile risk than taking some chump change. I just don’t see what difference a few hundred thousand dollars are going to make, and while its likely a real pick wouldn’t have been worth much anyway, at least there would have been some chance it was worth something.
"All energy flows according to the whims of the great magnet
What a fool I was to defy him"
-HST
by Mark Himmelstein on Dec 10, 2009 1:21 PM EST up reply actions
including Disco Hayes
"We're investigating the investigative procedure of the investigation of Tony Bernazard"---Omar Minaya (he really didn't say it but he would"
by firejerrynow on Dec 10, 2009 8:43 PM EST up reply actions
Covering the increased costs of the postgame clubhouse buffet
The hidden cost of Bengie Molina.
by Andrew McCarthy on Dec 10, 2009 2:02 PM EST up reply actions
Bengie may eat a little, but he's no Livan
"We're just as bad as the old Mets, but this time nobody's laughing"
-Dallas Green
by Stephen Schmidt on Dec 10, 2009 2:03 PM EST up reply actions
Why waste the draft, and not pick anyone?
"Blinding ignorance does mislead us. O! Wretched mortals, open your eyes!"
Gil Hodges IS a Hall of Famer.
by Brooklyn Dodgers Mets Fan on Dec 10, 2009 1:16 PM EST up reply actions
Because that someone has to actually be on the roster for the entire season or offered back.
If nobody fits that mold, why not make this trade?
"We're just as bad as the old Mets, but this time nobody's laughing"
-Dallas Green
by Stephen Schmidt on Dec 10, 2009 1:18 PM EST up reply actions
because they got like 150 K. Which is like nothing.
"I dunno. I never smoked any Astroturf"
-Tug McGraw
Not taking the pick is nothing. Taking a player and sending him back results in a loss of money.
Taking a player and selling him for 150,000 is slightly better than nothing. Omar’s reputation would lead us to believe he’d usually settle for nothing or actually lose money, so gaining anything is a step in the right direction.
"We're just as bad as the old Mets, but this time nobody's laughing"
-Dallas Green
by Stephen Schmidt on Dec 10, 2009 1:25 PM EST up reply actions
I'd guess that the Mets are planning on signing several more free agents as well, so I'd wonder if any of these players are better than the guy who'd they replace on the 40.
"We're just as bad as the old Mets, but this time nobody's laughing"
-Dallas Green
by Stephen Schmidt on Dec 10, 2009 1:30 PM EST up reply actions
Why not take a few players and decide after spring training
whether they fit that mode? there’s really no reason that 150,000 should make a difference between signing draft picks and not for a team with the Mets resources. Plus if the money is a concern than with so many holes finding cheap low risk, possibly decent reward players to fill some of those holes should be priority.
Not to mention financial reasons weren’t even the reason the mets failed to sign so many picks last year, it was the fact they didn’t contact many of them, at all let alone with offers, until months after the draft when many of them had already decided on college.
Yeah it seemed like the gave up on Buchanan and Magnifico
Before they even drafted them.
"All energy flows according to the whims of the great magnet
What a fool I was to defy him"
-HST
by Mark Himmelstein on Dec 10, 2009 1:27 PM EST up reply actions
Those two may never pan out, but why waste the pick on them if they have no intent to sign them.
"We're just as bad as the old Mets, but this time nobody's laughing"
-Dallas Green
by Stephen Schmidt on Dec 10, 2009 1:30 PM EST up reply actions
If no one is even selected, as is what happened, you'll never know if they're not good enough to make the club
Like Rockey Cherry last season.
"Blinding ignorance does mislead us. O! Wretched mortals, open your eyes!"
Gil Hodges IS a Hall of Famer.
by Brooklyn Dodgers Mets Fan on Dec 10, 2009 2:51 PM EST up reply actions
This was really a head scratcher
The only two plausible explanations I’ve seen floated:
A. The Mets are under higher budget constraints than we’ve been figuring.
B. This is a sign of good faith in some other ongoing negotiations with the Dodgers.
Otherwise, there were lots of guys who were virtually zero risk and could have contributed, and even some guys with upside who could have helped out in the bullpen for a year before either being sent back to the minors for some polish as a starter or moved right into the rotation if enough development took place.
"All energy flows according to the whims of the great magnet
What a fool I was to defy him"
-HST
by Mark Himmelstein on Dec 10, 2009 1:00 PM EST reply actions
Please be B.
This pick was weird though… Monasterios just got up to AA last season and didn’t have great numbers. I don’t think he would have made the Mets and he has an even worse chance of making the Dodgers. It appears that he will end up back with the Phillies next season.
I wouldn’t be surprised if you see some trades between the Mets and Dodgers and also the Dodgers and Phillies down the road.
by boom_roasted on Dec 10, 2009 1:07 PM EST up reply actions
Yeah I don't think the Mets had any interest in keeping him
This had to be pre-arranged.
"All energy flows according to the whims of the great magnet
What a fool I was to defy him"
-HST
by Mark Himmelstein on Dec 10, 2009 1:10 PM EST up reply actions
Interesting. So, there's got to be more to it all, then...
I mean, why would we randomly be doing them a favor?
"Blinding ignorance does mislead us. O! Wretched mortals, open your eyes!"
Gil Hodges IS a Hall of Famer.
by Brooklyn Dodgers Mets Fan on Dec 10, 2009 2:54 PM EST up reply actions
The Wilpons
"We're investigating the investigative procedure of the investigation of Tony Bernazard"---Omar Minaya (he really didn't say it but he would"
by firejerrynow on Dec 10, 2009 8:46 PM EST up reply actions
The Wilpons...? Yeah...?
"Blinding ignorance does mislead us. O! Wretched mortals, open your eyes!"
Gil Hodges IS a Hall of Famer.
by Brooklyn Dodgers Mets Fan on Dec 10, 2009 10:15 PM EST up reply actions
2+2=5? I'm not getting it.
"Blinding ignorance does mislead us. O! Wretched mortals, open your eyes!"
Gil Hodges IS a Hall of Famer.
by Brooklyn Dodgers Mets Fan on Dec 10, 2009 10:31 PM EST up reply actions
Because the Wilpons are stupid
and hire stupid people who thus do stupid things, like deciding to trade rule 5 draft picks for money that doesn’t even cover half of the league minimum.
At least thats what I got from it.
Yeah, I guess...
"Blinding ignorance does mislead us. O! Wretched mortals, open your eyes!"
Gil Hodges IS a Hall of Famer.
by Brooklyn Dodgers Mets Fan on Dec 10, 2009 10:37 PM EST up reply actions
Also, Freddie's got a huge crush on the Dodgers.
Although I really hope there’s a quid pro quo with them.
by BobbyV_Incognito on Dec 10, 2009 11:00 PM EST up reply actions
He doesn't like the Dodgers, though.
He likes the Brooklyn Dodgers, not the L.A. Dodgers. If anything, he’d hate the current incarnation of the team. Walter O’Malley was a cocksucker, and Los Angeles baseball is a joke.
But that aside, upper management has never in any way “did favors” for other clubs based on personal opinions and likes, and the such.
"Blinding ignorance does mislead us. O! Wretched mortals, open your eyes!"
Gil Hodges IS a Hall of Famer.
by Brooklyn Dodgers Mets Fan on Dec 10, 2009 11:41 PM EST up reply actions
They are getting ready to trade Kemp to us for Castillo
I mean, Kemp was batting 8th most of the year. How good can he be?
"I see the job in bigger terms. Paperwork, that’s false hustle... Know what I’m sayin’?"
Phillies might not take him back
They had seven spots open on their 40-man roster, so they could have protected Monasterios if they so desired. If they didn’t feel he was valuable enough to protect, then I doubt they’ll give up $25,000 to get him back if the Dodgers waive him. Of course, another team could swoop in and claim Monasterios as well if the Dodgers waive him.
If the Phillies got him back he wouldn't have to be on the 40-man.
I’m pretty sure, at least. That would probably be the only place for him, as I don’t believe he would make the 40-man of any team.
by boom_roasted on Dec 10, 2009 2:20 PM EST up reply actions
Free money!
You don't cheer for the Mets. You drink for the Mets.
Good faith for what?
Are the mets sending them Castillo for James Loney or something?
Oh, the butcher and the baker and the people on the street: wheredotheygo?!?!?
that would be pretty awesome
as long as they then signed Adam Kennedy. This is my new dream scenario
"[The Giants] beat us down. We were beat by a grown-man team, a team we want to be like one day. They came in here and took it to us. Out-manned us, out-gunned us. ... It wasn't even close." - Raheem Morris, 9/27/09
He'd have to make his token stop at Florida first, of course.
"Blinding ignorance does mislead us. O! Wretched mortals, open your eyes!"
Gil Hodges IS a Hall of Famer.
by Brooklyn Dodgers Mets Fan on Dec 10, 2009 3:10 PM EST up reply actions
obviously
maybe we can figure out some sort of 3-way trade. I’m sure the Marlins have some player they don’t want to pay anymore
"[The Giants] beat us down. We were beat by a grown-man team, a team we want to be like one day. They came in here and took it to us. Out-manned us, out-gunned us. ... It wasn't even close." - Raheem Morris, 9/27/09
actually
what if we sent Castillo to the Dodgers, prospects to the Marlins, and got back Martin and Uggla? Uggla sucks defensively, but he can hit and is about a 3-4 WAR player
"[The Giants] beat us down. We were beat by a grown-man team, a team we want to be like one day. They came in here and took it to us. Out-manned us, out-gunned us. ... It wasn't even close." - Raheem Morris, 9/27/09
I theoretically proposed that, Castillo going to the Marlins, and Uggla coming up here
Castillo is very popular in Miami, is a former “glory day” Marlin, can provide some veteran leadership to a pretty young club, has plate discipline, which most of the rest of the team doesn’t have. We’d have to cover his contract, though, or at least most of it. Uggla, I don’t know if they want to anymore, but they were supposedly looking to trade him away, so…I doubt it, but in a perfect world…
"Blinding ignorance does mislead us. O! Wretched mortals, open your eyes!"
Gil Hodges IS a Hall of Famer.
by Brooklyn Dodgers Mets Fan on Dec 10, 2009 3:28 PM EST up reply actions
that might be hard considering he signed with the Tigers
"I dunno. I never smoked any Astroturf"
-Tug McGraw
NO NO NO ignore that
thought you put down Adam EVERETT.
"I dunno. I never smoked any Astroturf"
-Tug McGraw
This will all become crystal clear in about 3 years
when Monasterios wins the Cy Young.
you know what I'm sayin' ?
If the non-tender deadline saturday produces as many casualties as have been predicted by the media, this could be a very wise move.
40 man roster spots are more valuable for guys who have options remaining that can actually be used.
"We're just as bad as the old Mets, but this time nobody's laughing"
-Dallas Green
by Stephen Schmidt on Dec 10, 2009 2:02 PM EST reply actions
HIRE THIS MAN
LemurGuy wrote:
ever stop and think that that just perhaps the “cash considerations” they got were more then the $50k they had to pay to get him … sounds like we could ahve made money … good for us! AstroMet – I’d love to trade Castillo for Pierre straight up … Pierre was one of the best defensive LFs in the league last year according to Baseball Reference. Then we could sign Orlando Hudson and add his speed, energy, and experience to 2nd base. I doin’t know about you … but a top three of Reyes, Pierre, Hudson sounds pretty awesome to me followed by Wright and Beltran behind him for protection .. speed in the top 3, two switch hitters, then an Avg. & Power guy in Wright who is bound to see more fastballs with speed on the basepaths ahead of him … oh god yes.
/faceplam
Hey, at least he looked something up...
Unfortunately, Mr. Lemur forgot that Pierre has an awful arm to compliment his solid range. Nevertheless, Pierre had a solid UZR in LF last season along with a below average UZR in LF in 2008. Pierre has some nice range, but he is, in no way, one of the best defensive left fielders.
And regarding the lineup he proposed… oh god no.
by boom_roasted on Dec 10, 2009 2:28 PM EST up reply actions
Pierre and Hudson? No. Just no.
"Blinding ignorance does mislead us. O! Wretched mortals, open your eyes!"
Gil Hodges IS a Hall of Famer.
by Brooklyn Dodgers Mets Fan on Dec 10, 2009 2:54 PM EST up reply actions
Some consolation
The Mets signed pitcher Clint Everts, tweets USA Today’s Bob Nightengale. Everts was a first-round pick of the Expos in ’02 (by Omar Minaya), and has spent his entire career in their minor league system. He had Tommy John surgery in ’04 and now works as a reliever.
Via MLBTraderumors
He may be one of “Omah’s Guys” but he’s still pretty young and had a nice year last year. 2.97 ERA across three levels in 09 as a 24 year old, mostly Double-A. He got a short look in Triple-A and got hit a little bit, but it was just about 10 relief innings so nothing conclusive.
"All energy flows according to the whims of the great magnet
What a fool I was to defy him"
-HST
by Mark Himmelstein on Dec 10, 2009 3:37 PM EST reply actions
2.97 FIP* not ERA
"All energy flows according to the whims of the great magnet
What a fool I was to defy him"
-HST
by Mark Himmelstein on Dec 10, 2009 3:38 PM EST up reply actions
Good GB% too, 53%, and 9.8 K/9
"All energy flows according to the whims of the great magnet
What a fool I was to defy him"
-HST
by Mark Himmelstein on Dec 10, 2009 3:39 PM EST up reply actions
Hey, not bad...
A low FIP is good, yes? a 2.97 is pretty damn good, no?
"Blinding ignorance does mislead us. O! Wretched mortals, open your eyes!"
Gil Hodges IS a Hall of Famer.
by Brooklyn Dodgers Mets Fan on Dec 10, 2009 3:41 PM EST up reply actions
Yeah, but he's a TJ victim
And he just turned 25 in August or September. I don’t know much about his profile, but if the stuff matches the numbers it could be a solid pickup on par with a better first round Rule V pick. According to Nightegale’s tweet 15 clubs were looking at him, which can’t be a bad thing.
"All energy flows according to the whims of the great magnet
What a fool I was to defy him"
-HST
by Mark Himmelstein on Dec 10, 2009 3:49 PM EST up reply actions
if the name sounds familiar to you
It’s because Everts played HS ball with Scott Kazmir and was drafted the same year, 10 spots ahead of Kazmir.
That is my fact of the day.
by metsjetsnets on Dec 10, 2009 4:38 PM EST up reply actions
its like we get a scott kazmir do-over!
so who’s the worst pitcher on the market these days.. think dan warthen can fix them?
by KeithsMoustache on Dec 10, 2009 5:12 PM EST up reply actions
Mets eschew free players for the chance to pick up meaningless cash
I don’t care if that first pick deal was pre-arranged or not, they could’ve selected another player if they didn’t keep WORTHLESS SULLIVAN, REED, REDDING AND MISCH on the roster. I can’t imagine that they’ll ALL be tendered a contract. This roster has a dearth of competent relief pitching and there was certainly some to be had in this draft.
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by All Shook Down on Dec 11, 2009 12:57 AM EST reply actions
Yeah this is really the other problem
There were lots of interesting guys, guys more interesting than any of the guys you mentioned (who are somehow more interesting than some of the other guys the Mets have on the 40-man) that could have been cleared to make room for some kind of spring competition fodder, just some chance at some vague semblance of upside.
Every time I see Sullivan’s name now all I can think about is Andruw Jones. Then I dry heave a little and drink some pepto. Thats what its come to.
"All energy flows according to the whims of the great magnet
What a fool I was to defy him"
-HST
by Mark Himmelstein on Dec 11, 2009 1:26 AM EST up reply actions
Cory Sullivan made a prorated $600K this season
Reed – $925K
Redding – $2.25
Add them all together and you get a nice little signing bonus for a mid-round pick. The budgets are probably separate, but still, it’s a point that can’t be stated enough.
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by All Shook Down on Dec 11, 2009 10:35 PM EST up reply actions
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