Scott Boras for Mets GM

by Sam Page on Dec 10, 2009 5:23 PM EST Comment 50 comments

Steve Popper gives insight from a Mets' official as to the team's thinking in offering Jason Bay a (rumored) 4 year/$65MM contract. Among the notable points from the piece:

The Mets wanted a bat and with Daniel Murphy locked it at first base

Daniel Murphy: .741 OPS. I guess if the Mets finally get a decent left fielder, they need to put the big offensive downside in the only more important offensive position. You know, just to make things interesting.

- They think his swing fits Citi Field.

He's a righty pull-hitter, which (we think) is slightly better than being a left pull-hitter in Citi Field. That's a consideration, but not really a deal breaker. If they really want to get some righty pull-power, and to replace Castillo, might I suggest Jose Lopez.

- Despite the numbers, they like him defensively over Holliday.

That's not surprising.

- Again, despite what Boras said, they insist he is a better athlete than Holliday.

However, despite Bay's citizenship, they insist Holliday is more Canadian.

- Have we mentioned that the Mets don’t have to deal with Boras if they go for Holliday.

You haven't, but good point.

Well I'm not so sure they're just bidding on bay to bring down Holliday's price now.

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Each of those points is begging for a Dana Carvey "The McLaughlin Group" on SNL takedown

Daniel Murphy locked in at first? WRONG!

Better defensively? WRONG!

Better athlete? WRONG!

Avoiding Boras? WRONG!

by Bieser's Balk on Dec 10, 2009 5:43 PM EST reply actions 1 recs

The correct answer is

Matt Holliday, Eleanor. Byyyy Byyyy.

by wobatus on Dec 10, 2009 6:08 PM EST up reply actions

WRONG!

I am perfectly sane. Everyone else, however, is insane, and trying to steal my magic bag.

by JoshNY on Dec 10, 2009 6:53 PM EST up reply actions

Omar isn’t smart enough to play Bay against Boras. He’ll accidentally tack on years to Ollie’s contract or something.

by True Blue4 on Dec 10, 2009 5:46 PM EST reply actions

Do you think that, like Omar, all of us

have blogs we’re unaware of devoted to how much we suck?

That’s what I’d be thinking were I high.

by letsgocyclones on Dec 10, 2009 5:52 PM EST reply actions

If you were high

purely hypothetical

by Sam Page on Dec 10, 2009 5:56 PM EST up reply actions

well i AM a college library

where people in the study room next to me were audibly having sex. but no, not high.

by letsgocyclones on Dec 10, 2009 6:03 PM EST up reply actions

last time I was high

I thought I was a college library…

by djg2111 on Dec 10, 2009 6:39 PM EST up reply actions

ha!

*I am in…

Hunter college to be exact and it’s frickin freezing in here! Good thing I have my grad plaid & fiery intellect to keep me warm.

by letsgocyclones on Dec 10, 2009 7:05 PM EST via mobile up reply actions

Hey I am in Hunter

HW 1638. Let me know the cubicle and i’ll bring my camera phone so we can all see the action.

by scott from peekskill on Dec 10, 2009 7:36 PM EST up reply actions

you guys are

crowding my subway stop at 68th and Lex. Damn kids. Get high at home like normal people.

by wobatus on Dec 11, 2009 12:48 PM EST up reply actions

Nice

by James Kannengieser on Dec 10, 2009 7:04 PM EST up reply actions

We must be the club

without an analytical team or a scouting team.

by Gina on Dec 10, 2009 6:03 PM EST reply actions

well here at AA

we’re the analytical team without a club.

by letsgocyclones on Dec 10, 2009 6:05 PM EST up reply actions

well said

by SeanSchirmer on Dec 10, 2009 6:49 PM EST up reply actions

nah, they have it

they just ignore it

"[The Giants] beat us down. We were beat by a grown-man team, a team we want to be like one day. They came in here and took it to us. Out-manned us, out-gunned us. ... It wasn't even close." - Raheem Morris, 9/27/09

by cjmulrain on Dec 10, 2009 6:05 PM EST up reply actions

They must go with Willie's gut

by Gina on Dec 10, 2009 6:20 PM EST up reply actions

This is asinine

I mean, I could understand if like the numbers said that Holliday was a better fielder than Torii Hunter, the Mets might be fooled and think “but Hunter looks so good and he’s so fast and athletic, surely the numbers must be wrong.”

But Bay looks like what he is: a slow, unathletic outfielder. Maybe Holliday looks the same, but in that case, wouldn’t you trust the numbers? Also, Holliday’s a much better hitter

by cjmulrain on Dec 10, 2009 6:05 PM EST reply actions

Hollidays better at baseball things

but is he a winner?

by Gina on Dec 10, 2009 6:06 PM EST up reply actions

Holliday has never won in New York

by EtSuKe on Dec 10, 2009 6:36 PM EST up reply actions

Matt Holliday playoff appearances: 2
Jason Bay playoff appearances: 2

Matt Holliday World Series appearances: 1
Jason Bay World Series appearances: 0

Ding Ding Ding, Matt Holliday is the winner! Someone send this in-depth analysis over to Omar pronto before he makes the wrong offer. I bet he mistakenly thinks Bay was on the 2007 Red Sox.

by cjmulrain on Dec 10, 2009 6:41 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs

But Bay has proven it in the big markets

by EtSuKe on Dec 10, 2009 6:52 PM EST up reply actions

His Canadianess negates that.

"Blinding ignorance does mislead us. O! Wretched mortals, open your eyes!"
Gil Hodges IS a Hall of Famer.

by Brooklyn Dodgers Mets Fan on Dec 10, 2009 10:09 PM EST up reply actions

Maybe the Mets feel that a Bey/Lackey combo is more realistic than Holliday/Lackey

by Major on Dec 10, 2009 6:18 PM EST reply actions

*bay

by Major on Dec 10, 2009 6:18 PM EST up reply actions

I could understand that

Except right now it looks like we’re only offering about 1-2 million less per than what Holliday is expected to get.

by Gina on Dec 10, 2009 6:20 PM EST up reply actions

Could be that that 1-2 mil locks up Lackey.

by Major on Dec 10, 2009 6:22 PM EST up reply actions

The Mets could just spend 1-2 million more, or not have signed Alex Cora or Chris Coste

Holliday is worth much more than 1-2 million more than Bay.

by EtSuKe on Dec 10, 2009 6:38 PM EST up reply actions

exactly

this is where those “it’s only one million dollars” people get bit in the ass. If one million dollars is the difference between Holliday/Lackey & Bay/Lackey, well then that million dollars is pretty damn important.

by cjmulrain on Dec 10, 2009 6:39 PM EST up reply actions

I don't have much to add. These posts cover it.

by SeanSchirmer on Dec 10, 2009 6:50 PM EST up reply actions

so?

Bay does not equal Holliday. He’s barely half of his value.

"I dunno. I never smoked any Astroturf"
-Tug McGraw

by squid92 on Dec 10, 2009 10:08 PM EST up reply actions

I would much, much, much, much

rather sign Cameron to 2/20 than Bay for 4/65 (or 4/60, fwiw).

by SeanSchirmer on Dec 10, 2009 6:51 PM EST reply actions

definitely

Bay will be 35 when that deal is done. I can’t imagine how bad his defense will be. The difference between Cameron and Bay for two years is very little, if anything.

by EtSuKe on Dec 10, 2009 6:55 PM EST up reply actions

Bay is a DH right now

What will he be like in LF in 5 years?

by scott from peekskill on Dec 10, 2009 7:38 PM EST up reply actions

I see Mike Jacobs is available.....I'm just sayin'

by froese99 on Dec 10, 2009 6:53 PM EST reply actions

I will never forget his monster series against the D'Backs like 4 years ago.

----Warner----
-------13-------

by Scent of a Woman on Dec 10, 2009 7:21 PM EST up reply actions

Actually the most questionable part of this

is why in the world is Murphy locked in at first base? That by itself gives me a head ache.

by Gina on Dec 10, 2009 7:07 PM EST reply actions

he’s locked in against righties…he should have a platoon partner.

by Mike Clemente on Dec 10, 2009 7:27 PM EST up reply actions

Agreed

by scott from peekskill on Dec 10, 2009 7:39 PM EST up reply actions

Nick someoneorother...

"Blinding ignorance does mislead us. O! Wretched mortals, open your eyes!"
Gil Hodges IS a Hall of Famer.

by Brooklyn Dodgers Mets Fan on Dec 10, 2009 10:10 PM EST up reply actions

I'm just dreading Davis' inevitable callup where he goes 3 weeks without playing

"I dunno. I never smoked any Astroturf"
-Tug McGraw

by squid92 on Dec 10, 2009 10:09 PM EST up reply actions

"Well I'm not so sure they're just bidding on bay to bring down Holliday's price now."

Bingo! Is Omar working in collusion with Epstein? BoSox offer Bay 4/70 saying “hey look. no one is giving u 5 years.”

This then sets Holliday’s price and we swoop in an take him.

God I hope this is the case. Either that or Omar sees the writing on the wall and wants to leave the team in the shitter for the next 4 years.

by scott from peekskill on Dec 10, 2009 7:35 PM EST reply actions

When I read the headline

my first thought was how awesome a GM Scott Boras would make. He knows the market, knows talent, and knows the economics of the system. If only he would take that kind of pay cut, I bet he could build a damn good ball club.

by djg2111 on Dec 10, 2009 7:37 PM EST reply actions

I'm sure he'd use more advanced metrics

because I bet he looks at it, to try and squeeze out the extra 10 mil
or he spews bullshit. Either way, he’d be better than Omar

"We're investigating the investigative procedure of the investigation of Tony Bernazard"---Omar Minaya (he really didn't say it but he would"

by firejerrynow on Dec 10, 2009 8:37 PM EST up reply actions

I don't buy the whole part about us not having to deal with Boras.

You’d better believe that, if we’re pursuing Holliday, Boras will put in his two-cents.

But—when push comes to shove—if the market’s in the Mets’ favor, they can get Holliday for a very reasonable price.

by Trey111 on Dec 10, 2009 8:05 PM EST reply actions

welcome home, Bay

let’s get the band back together. Milledge is probably available too. Omar can get K*zmir.
Where is Escobar these days?

I.M. Forme
"When you get yourself into trouble is when you feel you have to do something, and then you get yourself in trouble." --Omar Minaya

by itsmetsforme on Dec 10, 2009 8:43 PM EST reply actions

Indians still

I believe

by Sam Page on Dec 10, 2009 9:08 PM EST up reply actions

I was actually pleasantly surprised, thinking the Mets may have been at least weighing the benefits of Bay's type of hitting in Citi using analysis.

Then I saw that they prefer him defensively. Haha, ok.

"I dunno. I never smoked any Astroturf"
-Tug McGraw

by squid92 on Dec 10, 2009 10:06 PM EST reply actions

“Well I’m not so sure they’re just bidding on bay to bring down Holliday’s price now.”

I agree. I have a feeling that this sets the table for future negotiations with Holliday once Bay signs with whomever. Then they can say, “well we thought Bay was just as good, but since you are the only cat on the block now, we will up your offer slightly.”

I also think it was meant to prod the Redsox into making a counter offer that Bay would accept. Thus getting Boras out of his waiting game. If the Mets really wanted Bay, they would have just offered that 5th year, at least with a mutual option for a fifth, and Bay signs on the dotted line.