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I've been reconsidering the possibility of a Halladay trade for the past week, considering the pitching market, and further developments like this would certainly expedite my support. Gotta get hday1 or hday2 IMHO.

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It may be a moot point for us

One of Jayson Stark’s sources told him that Halladay probably wouldn’t approve a trade to the Mets.

While it’s certainly possible Stark and his source are wrong, the idea that Halladay wouldn’t want to come here isn’t that hard to believe.

Here is something I do believe though: if Halladay ends up a Phillie, Lackey will end up a Met.

by Syler on Dec 11, 2009 2:55 AM EST reply actions   0 recs

Stark is a huge homer though

related to your Lackey point, this situation might add the fifth year to Jason Bay’s contract…

by Sam Page on Dec 11, 2009 3:20 AM EST up reply actions   0 recs

If thats the case

The Mets should be calling all the other interested teams and seeing if there’s anything they can do to help. Maybe they can work out a prospect swap that would help pique the Jays interest.

"All energy flows according to the whims of the great magnet

What a fool I was to defy him"

-HST

by Mark Himmelstein on Dec 11, 2009 3:45 AM EST up reply actions   0 recs

What are his sources?

Why wouldn’t he approve a trade to the Mets. He wants to go to a team that has a shot at winning. According to the gamblers at Vegas, we do. I smell BS.

"Blinding ignorance does mislead us. O! Wretched mortals, open your eyes!"
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by Brooklyn Dodgers Mets Fan on Dec 11, 2009 3:50 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

Meh

I can understand why he wouldn’t think that of us. And I don’t think Starks has any reason to BS.

by Gina on Dec 11, 2009 4:25 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

He's Jason Stark; That's reason enough.

"Blinding ignorance does mislead us. O! Wretched mortals, open your eyes!"
Gil Hodges IS a Hall of Famer.

by Brooklyn Dodgers Mets Fan on Dec 11, 2009 9:19 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

Stark=BS

"I dunno. I never smoked any Astroturf"
-Tug McGraw

by squid92 on Dec 12, 2009 1:20 AM EST up reply actions   0 recs

It's

hday1 and hday7, calling them hday1 and hday2 is just confusing

"I see the job in bigger terms. Paperwork, that’s false hustle... Know what I’m sayin’?"

by Evan_S on Dec 11, 2009 3:28 AM EST reply actions   0 recs

Toss Up!

hday7 vs. jbay7

who ya got?

by Bieser's Balk on Dec 11, 2009 9:43 AM EST up reply actions   0 recs

mcam8

"For $11.4 million you can actually get a good player. But of course this is one of the things foolish organizations do: They complain that they can't afford good players after spending millions of dollars on not-good players." --Rob Neyer

by boom_roasted on Dec 12, 2009 6:29 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

Honestly

let them have him and start planning for 2011. This would absolutely gut their farm and pretty much narrow their window to next year, 2011, and if guys age well 2012. Howard has old man skills, so I think the decline is gonna come pretty quick for him (hopefully not till after the Phillies lock him up to a long term crippling contract though). Ibanez is already on the decline, I think that contract will look like an albatross by the end. Rollins is already in steep decline, Polanco is in his mid-30’s. They’d have to spend a ton of money to extend Halladay, meaning they’d have to make some hard choices when it comes to Lee, Hamels, and Utley, and they’d probably be pretty hamstrung in next years free agent market. And with a bunch of aging guys, injuries always become a major issue.

Meanwhile, the Mets could basically punt 2010 – forget about Lackey or Bay. I’d still want Holliday, b/c he’s young and will be an impact player for the next few years, but for the most part use 2010 to see what Reyes and Wright are going to be going forward, see how Beltrans knees look, hope Ike and Fernando and Mejia and some of the other guys keep progressing, and then go into the strong 2011 free agent class like gangbusters, with a ton of cash and (hopefully) a good GM.

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by cjmulrain on Dec 11, 2009 4:18 AM EST reply actions   0 recs

theres some merit to this idea

although if they land halladay they’re going to be a monster for the next year or two which will be painful to watch. Also this front office doesnt understand the concept of building for the future, especially now that their asses are inches from the fire after a few horrendous seasons, so I don’t hold out hope that they wait out the storm and shoot for 2011 or 2012

by KeithsMoustache on Dec 11, 2009 10:16 AM EST up reply actions   0 recs

I agree with CJM

the phils window is obviously closing with the age of their core, and a trade like this would decimate an already weak farm system. They’ll probably contend for another year or two then fall off a massive cliff.

Of course the problem with waiting for 2011/2012 is we’ll have to pay Reyes market price, God forbid we let him walk, and David Wright much closer to market price than we’ve been paying. And considering Omar couldn’t build a roster with 150 million paying them peanuts who knows what he’ll do when they’re talking about 1/5 of that payroll.

by Gina on Dec 11, 2009 10:43 AM EST reply actions   0 recs

It seems like you feel that Reyes should be allowed to walk. It is an interesting scenario. Sad part is, we don’t have a replacement. Tejada might be abel to step in, but I would not put money on it. Reese is a second baseman, and Flores is not really a short stop.

by Coolpapabell on Dec 11, 2009 12:03 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

of course all this speculation is contingent upon Reyes coming back as the player he was before

After a number of lingering leg injuries, and surgery in the offseason I’m going to worry about him coming back 100% before i worry about how difficult he may be to re-sign down the road. If his speed has been negatively impacted by the leg problems, it hurts his value somewhat. I hope this isn’t the case, but they let him run around and re-injure the leg numerous times instead of just getting him the surgery he needed when he first needed it, so we’ll have to see how he comes back from it.

by KeithsMoustache on Dec 11, 2009 1:21 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

No I don't feel Reyes should be allowed to walk

I’m just commentating on how if Omar couldn’t build a team after 06, he definitely can’t now.

by Gina on Dec 11, 2009 3:22 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

you would have to trade reyes

and get something before you allowed him to walk. Personally it would be silly in my opinion to do either.

by DoctorK16 on Dec 11, 2009 12:40 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

Yup, this is the problem

Of course, it all becomes more palatable if a couple current prospects really emerge by then, and this is probably the best the farm system has looked since Omar’s taken over, so we’ve got that going for us, which is nice.

"All energy flows according to the whims of the great magnet

What a fool I was to defy him"

-HST

by Mark Himmelstein on Dec 11, 2009 1:16 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

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