Take a flyer on Wang?
by saberkeith on Dec 11, 2009 4:45 PM EST
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With the Yankees rumored to be wisely non-tendering Chien-Ming Wang to save $5 million a year, there seem to be worse risks than the Mets signing him to a minor-league contract and taking a low-risk flyer on him.
Obviously his peripherals in his best years were not always predictive of the 19 wins he won (eg, 1.54 and 1.76 K/BB), but two 19-win, 4-5 WAR seasons pre-injury seem like a higher upside than Tim Redding ever was. Especially if it's league minimum, and even that isn't guaranteed unless he pitches.
Thoughts?
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If he's healthy sure
He was better than Piniero before the injuries, but he’s another guy I’d feel a lot more comfortable with if there was a better infield defense in place.
"All energy flows according to the whims of the great magnet
What a fool I was to defy him"
-HST
by Mark Himmelstein on Dec 11, 2009 5:05 PM EST reply actions
for a minor league contract and league minimum sure why not
the upside is good, but i agree with Meddler that an infield defence would really be our best pitching acquisition this offseason.
by KeithsMoustache on Dec 11, 2009 5:10 PM EST reply actions
This should be a 'chat' FanShot
But since it’s already here, I think the Mets should definitely consider Chien-Ming Wang, though I suspect that if the Yankees non-tender him they will just re-sign him for less money/guarantees.
I'd be happy to sign Wang for the league minimum, but would he take it?
I have to imagine some GM (actually, I could see this being Omar) will go “ZOMG 19 WINZ IN 2OO6 AND 2OO7” and offer him like $3M plus a guaranteed spot in the rotation, and I don’t think he’s worth it.
$3mil, yes
guaranteed position NOPE
by scott from peekskill on Dec 11, 2009 5:36 PM EST up reply actions
If Wang is healthy he will not have a small role. He will be in the rotation.
An incentive laden one-year deal might be a pretty good idea. Although I assume that he will resign with the Yanks, as Eric said above.
"For $11.4 million you can actually get a good player. But of course this is one of the things foolish organizations do: They complain that they can't afford good players after spending millions of dollars on not-good players." --Rob Neyer
by boom_roasted on Dec 11, 2009 6:32 PM EST up reply actions
I would agree
But I don’t think there’s any chance they go after him for the price he’s expected to sign for
Yeah, he's worth it
but Omar will see that he had a 34.50 ERA and go no way
"We're investigating the investigative procedure of the investigation of Tony Bernazard"---Omar Minaya (he really didn't say it but he would"
I like Wang
but I’m not sure pairing him with the Mets infield defense is the best idea.
Also, I didn’t even realize what I had typed into the title until I almost hit post, and then I got a good laugh, so screw it, I’m keeping it. Pun intended. Have a good laugh at my expense.
"[The Giants] beat us down. We were beat by a grown-man team, a team we want to be like one day. They came in here and took it to us. Out-manned us, out-gunned us. ... It wasn't even close." - Raheem Morris, 9/27/09
Ha ha, you like Wang.
"Blinding ignorance does mislead us. O! Wretched mortals, open your eyes!"
Gil Hodges IS a Hall of Famer.
by Brooklyn Dodgers Mets Fan on Dec 11, 2009 5:51 PM EST up reply actions
Absolutely.
I don’t understand why the Yankees would want to non-tender him. I mean, since when have the Yankees been concerned about monetary matters? Their loss would be our gain, though. Wang is still pretty young, and he’s put up decent numbers as a ground ball pitcher with a Yankee defense of Jeter and Cano playing behind him. Can Reyes and Castillo really be worse?
"Blinding ignorance does mislead us. O! Wretched mortals, open your eyes!"
Gil Hodges IS a Hall of Famer.
by Brooklyn Dodgers Mets Fan on Dec 11, 2009 5:52 PM EST reply actions
There are worse guys the Mets could take a chance on
YES TO WANG.
----Warner----
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by Scent of a Woman on Dec 11, 2009 6:54 PM EST reply actions
Man I'm totally cool that you like wang.
Really I got no problem with that.
"For $11.4 million you can actually get a good player. But of course this is one of the things foolish organizations do: They complain that they can't afford good players after spending millions of dollars on not-good players." --Rob Neyer
by boom_roasted on Dec 12, 2009 2:11 AM EST up reply actions
Oh shit...
Someone already made that joke on someone else.
"For $11.4 million you can actually get a good player. But of course this is one of the things foolish organizations do: They complain that they can't afford good players after spending millions of dollars on not-good players." --Rob Neyer
by boom_roasted on Dec 12, 2009 2:11 AM EST up reply actions
this is actually kind of a no-brainer move
Wanh for 1 to 3 M could be a steal
Wanh?
Of course I meant Wang. Most of the Mets moves already cause me to say Wanh, W-ahhh, What!!, What the hell ! etc
Should we call you a wahnbulance?
"All energy flows according to the whims of the great magnet
What a fool I was to defy him"
-HST
by Mark Himmelstein on Dec 12, 2009 1:29 PM EST up reply actions
Wang needs a nickname...
K-Wang doesn’t work.
"Blinding ignorance does mislead us. O! Wretched mortals, open your eyes!"
Gil Hodges IS a Hall of Famer.
by Brooklyn Dodgers Mets Fan on Dec 12, 2009 11:04 AM EST reply actions
Chei-Wang?
There’s Microsoft Paint material there, I don’t have the patience for it though.
"All energy flows according to the whims of the great magnet
What a fool I was to defy him"
-HST
by Mark Himmelstein on Dec 12, 2009 1:30 PM EST up reply actions
everybody have fun tonight?
everybody wang chung tonight!
by KeithsMoustache on Dec 12, 2009 6:00 PM EST up reply actions
The man's officially non-tendered!
Unfortunately, it appears Cashman wants him back.
"For $11.4 million you can actually get a good player. But of course this is one of the things foolish organizations do: They complain that they can't afford good players after spending millions of dollars on not-good players." --Rob Neyer
It's time for Omar to do what Omar does best! Throw around massive amounts of money!
Brian Cashman knows when to fold ’em.
"Blinding ignorance does mislead us. O! Wretched mortals, open your eyes!"
Gil Hodges IS a Hall of Famer.
by Brooklyn Dodgers Mets Fan on Dec 12, 2009 11:24 PM EST up reply actions
Omar
Doesn’t know when to walk away or when to run.
by scott from peekskill on Dec 13, 2009 9:40 PM EST up reply actions
And
He counts his money at the table!
by scott from peekskill on Dec 13, 2009 9:40 PM EST up reply actions
Wang only had a 4.55 xFIP in 2009,
and his career FIP is .23 less than his xFIP due to his low HR rates. His HR/FB rate was 17.1% and his BABIP was .397. And he only pitched 42 innings. I would definitely try to pick him up for an incentive deal.
Normally I would too, but where would you put your Wang?
He’s not going to take a minor league deal and the Mets already have at least four guys who qualify as reclamation projects who are impossible to project with any real accuracy for 2010: Perez, Maine, Nieve, Niese. I mean, it’s not like we lack for candidates to run out there to see what they can do.
by SeanSchirmer on Dec 13, 2009 6:32 AM EST up reply actions
The majority of the time I keep it in my pants
But concerning Chien-Ming Wang, the Taiwanian(?) has had sustained success at the major league level. If Wang is healthy, he should be a reliable starting pitcher. If not, put him on the DL and he won’t take a roster spot.
"For $11.4 million you can actually get a good player. But of course this is one of the things foolish organizations do: They complain that they can't afford good players after spending millions of dollars on not-good players." --Rob Neyer
by boom_roasted on Dec 13, 2009 11:59 AM EST up reply actions
That's the adjective form...
What’s the noun? Is it Taiwanian? Exiled Chaing Kai-Shekian?
"For $11.4 million you can actually get a good player. But of course this is one of the things foolish organizations do: They complain that they can't afford good players after spending millions of dollars on not-good players." --Rob Neyer
by boom_roasted on Dec 13, 2009 12:56 PM EST up reply actions
Rebellious dog?
Oh wait, that’s the Mainland Chinese pronunciation.
by BobbyV_Incognito on Dec 13, 2009 1:35 PM EST up reply actions
Haha
Taiwanian! Best mix up I have seen yet! Haha! Awesome
by scott from peekskill on Dec 13, 2009 9:41 PM EST up reply actions
It's that middle ground that bothers me,
where he’s healthy, starting, and not very good.
by SeanSchirmer on Dec 14, 2009 4:28 AM EST up reply actions
When has he ever been not good...
I understand his BB rate and tRA was a little higher in 2008, but some of that must have been due to injury.
"For $11.4 million you can actually get a good player. But of course this is one of the things foolish organizations do: They complain that they can't afford good players after spending millions of dollars on not-good players." --Rob Neyer
by boom_roasted on Dec 14, 2009 11:37 AM EST up reply actions
I can see Niese and Maine in the pen, especially at the beginning of the season
but Ollie? His stuff and his head is anti-anti-bullpen.
Also, Niese seems like he has a higher upside than Nieve. I’d rather groom Niese as a starter by having him work as the long maon out of the pen.
by SeanSchirmer on Dec 14, 2009 4:33 AM EST up reply actions
His stuff and his head is anti-pitching-ever.
"For $11.4 million you can actually get a good player. But of course this is one of the things foolish organizations do: They complain that they can't afford good players after spending millions of dollars on not-good players." --Rob Neyer
by boom_roasted on Dec 14, 2009 11:38 AM EST up reply actions
Wang would replace Putz in headlines
"We're investigating the investigative procedure of the investigation of Tony Bernazard"---Omar Minaya (he really didn't say it but he would"
by firejerrynow on Dec 13, 2009 10:38 AM EST up reply actions
Here's to Wang having a successful 2010:
“Wang stands tall as Indians/Pirates are dominated” (if he goes to the AL/NL)
"Blinding ignorance does mislead us. O! Wretched mortals, open your eyes!"
Gil Hodges IS a Hall of Famer.
by Brooklyn Dodgers Mets Fan on Dec 13, 2009 4:41 PM EST up reply actions
"Wang deflates after being spanked by Twins"
"Blinding ignorance does mislead us. O! Wretched mortals, open your eyes!"
Gil Hodges IS a Hall of Famer.
by Brooklyn Dodgers Mets Fan on Dec 13, 2009 5:44 PM EST up reply actions
Wang flaccid: Mets' Wang can't get up for big game vs. Phils
"I see the job in bigger terms. Paperwork, that’s false hustle... Know what I’m sayin’?"
"Wang and Bush do battle on Bobby Cox night"
"Blinding ignorance does mislead us. O! Wretched mortals, open your eyes!"
Gil Hodges IS a Hall of Famer.
by Brooklyn Dodgers Mets Fan on Dec 13, 2009 11:40 PM EST up reply actions
Wang Yanked Early in Hopeless Night at Home
by Pack Bringley on Dec 14, 2009 12:30 PM EST up reply actions
Wang gives up too many flyballs, severe zipper damage.
by scott from peekskill on Dec 14, 2009 12:41 PM EST up reply actions
"Wang goes down after being hit by 'comebacker'"
"Blinding ignorance does mislead us. O! Wretched mortals, open your eyes!"
Gil Hodges IS a Hall of Famer.
by Brooklyn Dodgers Mets Fan on Dec 14, 2009 1:06 PM EST up reply actions
Wang will be wearing Dodger Blue
Remember a guy named Joe Torre? He is now managing the Dodgers, and he remembers when Wang won 19 games for him two years in a row. Wang remembers Torre too. You think he’ll go anywhere else?
Yes. The Yankees.
"For $11.4 million you can actually get a good player. But of course this is one of the things foolish organizations do: They complain that they can't afford good players after spending millions of dollars on not-good players." --Rob Neyer
by boom_roasted on Dec 13, 2009 1:23 PM EST up reply actions
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