OMAR'S WORK
by 1969met on Dec 11, 2009 9:52 PM EST
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Should be questioned the last three years. Fixing last years problems. Time to think forwardly and shrewdly.
Implement a real plan to improve the club. Not just try to do a patch up!! Step number one should be to improve
the bullpen. Sign MIKE GONZALEZ AND KEVIN GREGG, step number two is trade for JUSTIN MORNEAU or
CARLOS PENA and then sign JOHN LACKEY, and improve the bench, JUAN URIBE and L. NIX would do that.
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Um...
First off, your master plan does not involve signing or trading for a LF or C
Second, there is no way in hell Minnesota will trade Morneau, and I doubt Tampa would trade Pena.
Third, Gregg sucks.
Fourth, this really wasn’t well thought out at all
by Syler on Dec 11, 2009 9:56 PM EST reply actions 0 recs
To get Justin Morneau
You have to clutch it from the Twins’ cold dead hands. In other words, it’s not happening. Besides, we CANNOT trade away our farm system, because that’s who the Twins would look to target, and even then, it’s a long shot!
Before we start talking about trading for Lincecum, Pujols, et al., let’s stick to reality first.
"The picture looked like I was in the dugout, but they got it all wrong. I absolutely was never in the dugout."
- Mr. B.V. Incognito
by sj10689 on Dec 15, 2009 3:32 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
So, my proposed trade of Lincecum and Cain for Perez and Castillo is a no-go?
How about we throw in Kunz, too?
by BobbyV_Incognito on Dec 15, 2009 10:19 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
We're keeping Santos, though. He's too valuable to trade for someone like Pujols.
"Blinding ignorance does mislead us. O! Wretched mortals, open your eyes!"
Gil Hodges IS a Hall of Famer.
by Brooklyn Dodgers Mets Fan on Dec 16, 2009 12:00 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
I can haz Site Bot?
Beer is good! And stuff!
by R_Adragna on Dec 11, 2009 10:03 PM EST reply actions 0 recs
SYLER
F-MART and PAGAN at left, and at c, THOLE, SANTOS, and BLANCO.
by 1969met on Dec 11, 2009 10:03 PM EST reply actions 0 recs
THERE IS A REPLY FUNCTION
"We're investigating the investigative procedure of the investigation of Tony Bernazard"---Omar Minaya (he really didn't say it but he would"
by firejerrynow on Dec 12, 2009 6:28 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Thanks, firejerrynow
Partially due to the lukewarm reception of this post, henceforth, I will make a better effort to come up with a home run next time! I did’nt realize that AA readers can be simultaneously critical and passionate.
by 1969met on Dec 12, 2009 5:26 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
We're pretty serious
about this bat and ball thing.
by SeanSchirmer on Dec 13, 2009 4:55 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Yeah seriously he basically said
" I didn’t realize you guys liked in depth plans and not shouting players’ names."
Gas prices today are a lot like a pitcher's ERA. Anything under 3 is amazing, under 4 is pretty good and anything 5 and up is something you want to avoid.
by Bobby Baseball on Dec 13, 2009 8:17 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
At first blush, this kind of reads like haiku.
"He's definitely mixing it into his repertoire. That's French for 'repertoire' " - Keith Hernandez
by Catsmeat Potter-Pirbright on Dec 11, 2009 10:10 PM EST reply actions 0 recs
1969MET
learn how to punctuate names (example: John Smith, not JOHN SMITH) also learn some more about baseball.
Come back once you’ve done that
A "Zeile" for avoiding outs
by metsguy234 on Dec 11, 2009 11:54 PM EST reply actions 0 recs
ouch
you just got insulted by a debatedly borderline racist 14 year old.
"I dunno. I never smoked any Astroturf"
-Tug McGraw
by squid92 on Dec 12, 2009 1:18 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Except there's no punctuation problem there
so really they both lose.
But it was a nice effort from the kid.
by Joamiq on Dec 13, 2009 1:00 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
I would rather trade for ALBERT PUJOLS than JUSTIN MORNEAU
also this post is just begging for the SITE BOT
"[The Giants] beat us down. We were beat by a grown-man team, a team we want to be like one day. They came in here and took it to us. Out-manned us, out-gunned us. ... It wasn't even close." - Raheem Morris, 9/27/09
by cjmulrain on Dec 12, 2009 12:27 AM EST reply actions 0 recs
What's the SITE BOT?
Is it some legendary poster who shows up out of the mist and shreds someone, or disappears them?
by SeanSchirmer on Dec 13, 2009 4:55 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
It was originally a robot, I believe
but it did become a cognitive being. The SITE BOT shows up to label terrible posts and inform us what not to do.
"I see the job in bigger terms. Paperwork, that’s false hustle... Know what I’m sayin’?"
by Evan_S on Dec 13, 2009 2:57 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
we need to update the AA memes list
A "Zeile" for avoiding outs
by metsguy234 on Dec 13, 2009 4:56 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
LOUD NOISES
"I dunno. I never smoked any Astroturf"
-Tug McGraw
by squid92 on Dec 12, 2009 1:17 AM EST reply actions 0 recs
I DON'T KNOW WHAT WE'RE YELLING ABOUT!
If there's ever a riot at Citi Field and Oliver Perez was the starter, I started the riot.
by meigs1414 on Dec 12, 2009 10:35 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
at no point in n your rambling incoherent nonsense did you approach an actual point
we are all dumber for having heard this… i award you no points and may god have mercy on your sould.
by KeithsMoustache on Dec 12, 2009 2:08 AM EST reply actions 0 recs
no matter how many times it's invoked
that phrase never stops amusing me
"[The Giants] beat us down. We were beat by a grown-man team, a team we want to be like one day. They came in here and took it to us. Out-manned us, out-gunned us. ... It wasn't even close." - Raheem Morris, 9/27/09
by cjmulrain on Dec 12, 2009 6:24 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
I hate to go all third grade on you, but...
"Sign MIKE GONZALEZ AND KEVIN GREGG, step number two is trade for JUSTIN MORNEAU
CARLOS PENA and then sign JOHN LACKEY, and improve the bench, JUAN URIBE and L. NIX would do that…"
… is a run-on sentence.
"For $11.4 million you can actually get a good player. But of course this is one of the things foolish organizations do: They complain that they can't afford good players after spending millions of dollars on not-good players." --Rob Neyer
by boom_roasted on Dec 12, 2009 2:09 AM EST reply actions 0 recs
And I'm wasted right now...
No amount of alcohol can change the fact that I have a better grasp on English grammar than you do.
"For $11.4 million you can actually get a good player. But of course this is one of the things foolish organizations do: They complain that they can't afford good players after spending millions of dollars on not-good players." --Rob Neyer
by boom_roasted on Dec 12, 2009 2:19 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
or if you want to go even further
parallelism in from step number two is bad
like step number two is trading for justin morneau and carlos pena, signing john lackey, and improving the bench
and besides step number two is like 3 steps and step number one actually is a step
by clip on Dec 12, 2009 1:12 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
If this should even be a post
it should be a Fanshot.
"We're investigating the investigative procedure of the investigation of Tony Bernazard"---Omar Minaya (he really didn't say it but he would"
by firejerrynow on Dec 12, 2009 6:29 AM EST reply actions 0 recs
By the way, to play baseball you need a catcher and a left fielder
are you gonna put Murphy in left now?
"We're investigating the investigative procedure of the investigation of Tony Bernazard"---Omar Minaya (he really didn't say it but he would"
by firejerrynow on Dec 12, 2009 6:30 AM EST reply actions 0 recs
Who do you think we should trade for Morneau?
BECAUSE DANIEL MURPHY AND OMIR SANTOS ISN’T GOING TO CUT IT.
Gas prices today are a lot like a pitcher's ERA. Anything under 3 is amazing, under 4 is pretty good and anything 5 and up is something you want to avoid.
by Bobby Baseball on Dec 12, 2009 9:41 AM EST reply actions 0 recs
Of course it will. Danny Murphy is the new John Olerud, and Omir Santos is the next Johnny Bench.
"Blinding ignorance does mislead us. O! Wretched mortals, open your eyes!"
Gil Hodges IS a Hall of Famer.
by Brooklyn Dodgers Mets Fan on Dec 12, 2009 11:00 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Oh duh silly me.
Gas prices today are a lot like a pitcher's ERA. Anything under 3 is amazing, under 4 is pretty good and anything 5 and up is something you want to avoid.
by Bobby Baseball on Dec 12, 2009 2:19 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
OMAR'S WORK = OXYMORON
you know what I'm sayin' ?
by fxcarden on Dec 12, 2009 10:45 AM EST reply actions 1 recs
Why are we so fanatical about diction
I certainly feel AA is one of the best sites out there no matter the team or the sport. This is enhanced by the comments of contributors and regular schmo’s like us. Some of the comments by guys like KeithsMoustache are epically good.
However, that being said, and not wanting to put too fine a point on it, taking a long view with a holistic approach and without getting to close to the thin edge of the wedge; some here might be viewed as being slight too harsh in their criticism of their fellow commentators work.
All I ask is that you remember your first contribution before eviscerating someone’s work due to bad grammar, rhetorical run on, hyperbole, vitriolic enthusiasms, etc.
All i ask is for is a kinder gentler AA.
by scott from peekskill on Dec 12, 2009 11:38 AM EST reply actions 1 recs
oh come on
this is terrible. grow a thicker skin. it’s not even you.
"I dunno. I never smoked any Astroturf"
-Tug McGraw
by squid92 on Dec 12, 2009 11:40 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
If the poster had presented a coherent plan, and backed it up with some numbers
we wouldn’t be nearly so critical. The issue here is that no time, thought, or effort seems to go into this post. This site is a great platform to express your thoughts on the Mets in a manner that will induce conversation about a topic. If we’re not harsh on posters who aren’t willing to put in the time to present arguments in this way, the site will end up flooded with posts like those from the legendary centerpede1o1, wolfman/navyman, scotty, and so on. While these are occasionally amusing (sometimes bordering on hilarious), they are not really in the proper spirit of AA. Ultimately it comes down to us trying to defend one of the few places on the internet where you can discuss the mets with a rational group of people.
On an unrelated note, I’m glad you enjoy my commentary.
by KeithsMoustache on Dec 12, 2009 1:26 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Oh and
Yes you are 100% right, this is a great place to talk Mets without the homers and Jeterians, rednecks Phuck Phaces etc. This is a dreadful post, but at least the guy is posting.
Thats the strength of AA. People will write crapola, we will read it then comment on it. But if people shoot down the crap posts then posters won’t write and we will have nothing to read.
I like these terrible post occasionally, just occasionally, we see one good idea.
Should be a Fanshot.
by scott from peekskill on Dec 12, 2009 2:58 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
"But if people shoot down the crap posts then posters won’t write and we will have nothing to read."
Or, alternatively, people will be less inclined to post inane drivel. What’s wrong with having standards?
"He's definitely mixing it into his repertoire. That's French for 'repertoire' " - Keith Hernandez
by Catsmeat Potter-Pirbright on Dec 12, 2009 3:01 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
exactly
i’d be lying if i said i didn’t have fun with the occasional crap post but if we let them go unchecked this place will descend into madness
by KeithsMoustache on Dec 12, 2009 3:16 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
wait
this isn’t a tweet from Heyman?
I.M. Forme
"When you get yourself into trouble is when you feel you have to do something, and then you get yourself in trouble." --Omar Minaya
by itsmetsforme on Dec 12, 2009 4:35 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
scott from peekskill
awsomedudeyou’reabsolutelyrightoriswrighton!
by 1969met on Dec 14, 2009 8:40 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
I LOVE YOUR POST!!!!1111
THE ONLY THING IS THAT YOU SHOULD NOT DOUBLE SPACE IT! THIS ISN’T MICROSOFT WORKS SO DOUBLE SPACING ISN’T NECESSARY! ALSO, WHY THE HELL WOULD WE WAN’T GREGG AND URIBE???
Beer is good! And stuff!
by R_Adragna on Dec 12, 2009 11:45 AM EST reply actions 0 recs
ALSO, METS1969 SHOULD STOP SHOUTING
AND WHO WOULD WE TRADE FOR GONZALEZ/MOURNEAU? WHY DON’T WE TRADE FOR MAUER AT THE SAME TIME AND PUJOLS
"We're investigating the investigative procedure of the investigation of Tony Bernazard"---Omar Minaya (he really didn't say it but he would"
by firejerrynow on Dec 12, 2009 12:12 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
REYES AND WRIGHT AND BELTRAN AND SANTANA
THEY AREN’T THAT GOOD ANYWAY
Gas prices today are a lot like a pitcher's ERA. Anything under 3 is amazing, under 4 is pretty good and anything 5 and up is something you want to avoid.
by Bobby Baseball on Dec 12, 2009 2:20 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
PLUS WE NEED TO ANHILATE THE CORE BECAUSE WE HAVEN'T WON A WORLD SERIES WITH IT YET
Gas prices today are a lot like a pitcher's ERA. Anything under 3 is amazing, under 4 is pretty good and anything 5 and up is something you want to avoid.
by Bobby Baseball on Dec 12, 2009 2:22 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
reply to firejerrynow
firejerrynow, Gonzalez is Mike, a free agent. Morneau is making 80 mil, Minny has interest in
trading him to free up money for Mauer. How about Holt, F-Mart, Francouer, Parnell and Murphy…………………….
by 1969met on Dec 12, 2009 4:37 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
We won't fleece the twins twice
Anyway, thats way too much.
"We're investigating the investigative procedure of the investigation of Tony Bernazard"---Omar Minaya (he really didn't say it but he would"
by firejerrynow on Dec 13, 2009 6:50 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
thanks, R_Adranga
Gregg and Uribe, junk on the bench, but better than the junk already there. As for the double
spacing??? Just something different. The idea is to try to get the Mets to a CHAMPIONSHIP
level and we all know Omar’s work is cut out for him.
by 1969met on Dec 12, 2009 4:30 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Uh, dude, this was me being a sarcastic dick.
Beer is good! And stuff!
by R_Adragna on Dec 12, 2009 8:42 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
you mean a CHAMPTIONSHIP?
"I dunno. I never smoked any Astroturf"
-Tug McGraw
by squid92 on Dec 12, 2009 11:12 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
again whats with the random CAPITALIZATION?
"We're investigating the investigative procedure of the investigation of Tony Bernazard"---Omar Minaya (he really didn't say it but he would"
by firejerrynow on Dec 13, 2009 6:51 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
thz plan haz 1 fatal flaw
it does not have any LANCE BROADWAY.
end transmission
I.M. Forme
"When you get yourself into trouble is when you feel you have to do something, and then you get yourself in trouble." --Omar Minaya
by itsmetsforme on Dec 12, 2009 4:33 PM EST reply actions 0 recs
the Metz have just gone
off Broadway.
they cut his ass.
I.M. Forme
"When you get yourself into trouble is when you feel you have to do something, and then you get yourself in trouble." --Omar Minaya
by itsmetsforme on Dec 12, 2009 9:17 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
A great time to cut him, when he was actually starting to improve somewhat...
"Blinding ignorance does mislead us. O! Wretched mortals, open your eyes!"
Gil Hodges IS a Hall of Famer.
by Brooklyn Dodgers Mets Fan on Dec 13, 2009 5:04 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
1969Met, it has to be done like this...
MIKE GONZALEZ (+0.9 WAR – 2009)
KEVIN GREGG (-0.3 WAR – 2009)
JUSTIN MORNEAU (4 projWAR)
or
CARLOS PENA (3.6 projWAR)
JOHN LACKEY (4 projWAR)
JUAN URIBE (2.9 WAR – 2009)
L. NIX (+1 WAR – 2009)
That should cut down on some of the public pillorying. Although lacking UZR/150, the slashing of your tires will probably continue.
BTW, welcome to AA! ;-)
by Mex_17 on Dec 12, 2009 11:39 PM EST reply actions 0 recs
Not exactly, the grammar, capitalization, etc. is still there.
"I dunno. I never smoked any Astroturf"
-Tug McGraw
by squid92 on Dec 12, 2009 11:58 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
we accept people if they don't use WAR or UZR
but the grammar, punctuation, lack of ideas…
"We're investigating the investigative procedure of the investigation of Tony Bernazard"---Omar Minaya (he really didn't say it but he would"
by firejerrynow on Dec 13, 2009 6:52 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
JUAN URIBE (2.9 WAR – 2009)
Really? i didn’t realize this dude was that good.
by scott from peekskill on Dec 13, 2009 12:35 AM EST reply actions 0 recs
Uribe is good defensively at second and third
3.5 UZR, 1 UZR respectively, and also had a career high .351 wOBA, mainly fueled by his .330 BABIP, 40 points above average
"We're investigating the investigative procedure of the investigation of Tony Bernazard"---Omar Minaya (he really didn't say it but he would"
by firejerrynow on Dec 13, 2009 6:56 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
So is it a one year blip
or is this guy a serious player long term?
And why hasn’t his name crossed John Krucks lips? Oh, thats right, Kruck is useless.
by scott from peekskill on Dec 13, 2009 9:38 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Style and stats over substance gets you everytime.......
by 1969met on Dec 13, 2009 11:44 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
stats ARE substance
"[The Giants] beat us down. We were beat by a grown-man team, a team we want to be like one day. They came in here and took it to us. Out-manned us, out-gunned us. ... It wasn't even close." - Raheem Morris, 9/27/09
by cjmulrain on Dec 14, 2009 1:08 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Only if you're one of those guys that, you know, use "stats" to make important decisions off of.
Stats change every year, though, you know. So, uh…We feel, you know, there’s, uh, no reason to invest so heavily in interpreting and, you know, understanding them.
"Blinding ignorance does mislead us. O! Wretched mortals, open your eyes!"
Gil Hodges IS a Hall of Famer.
by Brooklyn Dodgers Mets Fan on Dec 14, 2009 1:15 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
LMAO That sounds like something Omar would say!
Beer is good! And stuff!
by R_Adragna on Dec 14, 2009 1:30 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
one nugget in alot of bad ideas
Terrible ideas all, except for one. I love the idea of the Mets getting Mike Gonzalez to join the “bridge” to Frankie. Having two lefty set-up guys like Pedro AND Gonzalez would be incredible, and would give all those lefties on the Phillies fits!
by TomSeaver on Dec 13, 2009 1:15 PM EST reply actions 0 recs
It would be even better if they somehow unload BB-Rod...
Then sign Gonzalez, Calero, and Capps to replace him. Plus maybe some other reliever acquired by trading away Rodriguez.
"For $11.4 million you can actually get a good player. But of course this is one of the things foolish organizations do: They complain that they can't afford good players after spending millions of dollars on not-good players." --Rob Neyer
by boom_roasted on Dec 13, 2009 1:23 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
there's no true closer out of that bunch though
A "Zeile" for avoiding outs
by metsguy234 on Dec 13, 2009 5:01 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
As opposed to K-Rod and his awesomeness, right?
SAVEZ
"I dunno. I never smoked any Astroturf"
-Tug McGraw
by squid92 on Dec 13, 2009 5:49 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
k-rod is a true closer
A "Zeile" for avoiding outs
by metsguy234 on Dec 13, 2009 6:52 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
So is Mike Gonzalez
And any pitcher you regularly put in during the 9th inning when you have a lead.
"I see the job in bigger terms. Paperwork, that’s false hustle... Know what I’m sayin’?"
by Evan_S on Dec 13, 2009 8:45 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Agreed
But Capps is the homer monster. he makes K-Rod look like a good pitcher.
by scott from peekskill on Dec 13, 2009 9:39 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
thats fair
but I’d love him as just a regular reliever.
"I dunno. I never smoked any Astroturf"
-Tug McGraw
by squid92 on Dec 13, 2009 9:47 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
We need a set-up guy, so...
"Blinding ignorance does mislead us. O! Wretched mortals, open your eyes!"
Gil Hodges IS a Hall of Famer.
by Brooklyn Dodgers Mets Fan on Dec 13, 2009 11:06 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
It's weird...
Capps has had high HR/FB ratios in 2006 and 2009 (12.2% and 13.5% respectively) but low rates in 2007-2008 (4.4%, 6.8%)
"For $11.4 million you can actually get a good player. But of course this is one of the things foolish organizations do: They complain that they can't afford good players after spending millions of dollars on not-good players." --Rob Neyer
by boom_roasted on Dec 13, 2009 10:13 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
i can't define it for you
but i know one when i see one
A "Zeile" for avoiding outs
by metsguy234 on Dec 13, 2009 11:14 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Is it one who has a steadily declining strikeout rate
while simultaneously having an increasing walk rate? Or is it a pitcher who has the most blown saves in baseball over the last three years? I’m getting close, aren’t I?
"I see the job in bigger terms. Paperwork, that’s false hustle... Know what I’m sayin’?"
by Evan_S on Dec 13, 2009 11:23 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
True closers definitley fall down as part of their delivery, putting them in a superior defensive position.
"Blinding ignorance does mislead us. O! Wretched mortals, open your eyes!"
Gil Hodges IS a Hall of Famer.
by Brooklyn Dodgers Mets Fan on Dec 13, 2009 11:41 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
That comment should be flagged..
for Omar Minaya-like “scout” arrogance.
"For $11.4 million you can actually get a good player. But of course this is one of the things foolish organizations do: They complain that they can't afford good players after spending millions of dollars on not-good players." --Rob Neyer
by boom_roasted on Dec 13, 2009 11:52 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
But I have more important things to do
than waste a half second of my life pressing a button.
"For $11.4 million you can actually get a good player. But of course this is one of the things foolish organizations do: They complain that they can't afford good players after spending millions of dollars on not-good players." --Rob Neyer
by boom_roasted on Dec 13, 2009 11:53 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
well THAT makes me trust your judgment.
uh, not.
"I dunno. I never smoked any Astroturf"
-Tug McGraw
by squid92 on Dec 14, 2009 5:43 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Thank you.
I needed to laugh after coming here and seeing we lost out on Halladay and Lackey at the same time, and then you go and remind me of this:
New sports word: ardor! Ardor: does your team have it? A short radio play:
Joe Buck: Well, Tim, you have to like the Red Sox’ starting pitching and bullpen, but how do you feel about their ardor?
Tim McCarver: Ardor is a funny thing, Joe. It’s like Supreme Court Justice Potter Stewart said about pornography: “I know it when I see it.” And with these Red Sox, I just don’t see it.
JB: How do you know it when you see it, Tim?
TM: For me, it’s when you see the dick going in.
(ten minutes of silence)
TM: Oh. I see. You were talking about ardor.
by BobbyV_Incognito on Dec 14, 2009 8:08 PM EST up reply actions 4 recs
so they're an obscenity?
I can get behind that.
"[The Giants] beat us down. We were beat by a grown-man team, a team we want to be like one day. They came in here and took it to us. Out-manned us, out-gunned us. ... It wasn't even close." - Raheem Morris, 9/27/09
by cjmulrain on Dec 14, 2009 1:10 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
reply fail
this was meant for Metsguy’s reply
"[The Giants] beat us down. We were beat by a grown-man team, a team we want to be like one day. They came in here and took it to us. Out-manned us, out-gunned us. ... It wasn't even close." - Raheem Morris, 9/27/09
by cjmulrain on Dec 14, 2009 1:11 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
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