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Non-Tendered Players Of Note

Kelly Johnson--Since Mike Fontenot got a contract, Kelly Johnson is my new guy. He's got all the makings of a good bench-guy: left-handed and defensively versatile. As a secondbaseman, Johnson has the bat for the position, but a suspect glove, basically what you might expect from the Daniel Murphy 2B project that never was, and not my dream replacement for Castillo. Still, given his nice combination of discipline and power, "platooning" him with Castillo and using him to spell Francoeur versus the occasional righty would be effective. If the Mets sign KJ, I predict he takes Castillo's job no latter than June. 

Matt Capps--Capps will never live up to the closer billing he inherited in Pittsburgh, but he has consistently posted xFIPs ~4.00 since making it to the majors. An inconsistent fastball lead to Capps getting tagged for a lot of homers last year, but I guarantee, with a more liberal budget, the Pirates held onto this guy. The Mets have some holes to fill in their pen, and they could do (and probably will do) a lot worse than Capps. 

Jack Cust--I'm torn. If a team gets Jack Cust to accept a bench role, there won't be a better lefty pinch-hitter in the majors. That said, Cust will probably look for a DH job elsewhere, and the last-in-UZR Mets might want to look for another type of fourth "outfielder." 

Ryan Garko--Mets fans are already clamoring for Ryan Garko as the perfect platoon-mate for Daniel Murphy. He has a .885 OPSvL and a reasonable 1.17 platoon ratio, so the ability to hit lefties is real. Garko, however, has no other attractive talents. He can't field, play anything but first, hit righties, or run. Keeping him on the bench just to relieve Murphy against lefties isn't a very productive use of a roster spot, especially since Manuel will end up pinch-hitting him against righties too often. If anyone wants to convince me Garko is more deserving of a roster spot than Nick Evans, who hits lefties nearly as well, with the added ability to play outfield and emergency catcher, good luck.

As an aside, I'm still perturbed at how easily Mets fans accept this Daniel Murphy-platoon garbage as a good plan at firstbase. What if the Bears are who we thought they were, and Daniel Murphy reprises his role as the worst offensive firstbaseman in the league? What if Ike Davis isn't the super-star of the future? As fans, we often don't realize just how possible these outcomes are. Here's a novel idea I threw out earlier: go get a real firstbaseman. Anyone? No? All I'm saying is, if the Phillies acquire Roy Halladay, I think the only reasonable--no, patriotic--thing to do is trade the farm for Adrian Gonzalez

Garret Atkins--Although a incentive-laden deal would be tempting, I still have trouble finding where Atkins would fit on the bench. He's basically Ryan Garko with more upside, but also considerably larger and more likely downside. 

Ryan Langerhans--The Mariners replaced Endy Chavez with Ryan Langerhans and the Mariners are smart, so let's do that too. Good BB% and decent power make for a league-average hitter with tremendous defensive ability. 

Request any I skipped, and I might add them. 

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Any decent SPs get non-tendered?

by Brittannia on Dec 13, 2009 6:22 AM EST reply actions  

If the Mets sign any of these

I will be shocked.

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by firejerrynow on Dec 13, 2009 6:47 AM EST reply actions  

There's a simiar post up on LookoutLanding

http://www.lookoutlanding.com/2009/12/11/1196620/non-tendered-free-agency-lets-go

Lots of the same names, plus some others to think about, like Conor Jackson and DJ Carrasco. Not a bad read if you’re looking for ideas.

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by Faux on Dec 13, 2009 7:03 AM EST reply actions  

We should sign John Buck

Gas prices today are a lot like a pitcher's ERA. Anything under 3 is amazing, under 4 is pretty good and anything 5 and up is something you want to avoid.

by Bobby Baseball on Dec 13, 2009 8:15 AM EST reply actions  

If the Phils get Holladay (without giving up Cliff Lee),

the Mets should play for the wildcard or 2011.

I agree that Murphy shouldn’t be more than a bench player in 2010. Sign Nick Johnson for two years, and let Ike Davis play in the outfield at Buffalo so that he’s not blocked by Johnson if he’s ready for the bigs in 2011.

by englishgrey on Dec 13, 2009 9:28 AM EST via mobile reply actions  

I would like to see Kelly Johnson

He has a good bat and being that he would sign with the Mets and play against the team that released him 19 times a year could be motivation.

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by Scent of a Woman on Dec 13, 2009 10:18 AM EST reply actions  

i dont get the hoopla with KJ

I’m a Mets fan near the Atlanta area so I watch quite a few Braves games. He is below average defensively and minus a few hot streaks he is really lacking as a hitter. When he does hit he has some power but I just don’t see him as a viable bench option for the Mets. I’ve seen him for far too long, same with Frenchy. Langerhans is absolutely dreadful. He couldn’t even get PT with the Nats. Didn’t he hit like .160 in 2008?

by RIPShea on Dec 13, 2009 10:26 AM EST via mobile up reply actions  

I completely agree with the Murphy thing. Makes absolutely no sense to me why he is being force-fed the starting 1B spot. Also doesn’t make sense that Evans can’t get any time whatsoever. This is the Mets though, so you know Murphy is going to be there starting 140+ games (unless they re-sign Delgado) and Evans isn’t going to play. That is why I like Garko. He can smoke lefties and is the type of “name” that Jerry might actually play.

And call me crazy, but I’m still completely on-board with re-signing Delgado to a one year deal if he looks healthy. His upside blows away anyone on the team (obviously) and is comparable to the LaRoche/Johnson’s on the market and shouldn’t cost as much of a base salary (I’d assume). And if he hits his incentives and ends up making 8-10 million? Good. Delgado hitting his incentives means 1B probably wasn’t a black hole, even if the main incentive was only games played and it got the team 30 bombs from a currently incredibly weak power spot.

The “Delgado in the clubhouse” thing is probably hugely overblown but if it is that much of a problem just keep the base salary low enough so that he can be cut. The only real worry is the diminished range of Castillo + post surgery Delgado on the right side defensively, but that is the crap this team has found itself in. Delgado had WARs of 2.9, 1.5, and 2.9 in his 3 full years with the Mets. If he could give even a 2.5 he’d be a LaRoche type and a pretty nice asset in the lineup.

by True Blue4 on Dec 13, 2009 10:41 AM EST reply actions  

I agree completely about Delgado

signing him to an incentive-laden contract is pretty low risk/high reward. Worst case scenario is you end up with Delgado hurt and Murphy at first, which right now looks like the plan anyway. Best case scenario is Delgado repeats his 2006 or 2008 seasons and gives the Mets a legit power bat in the middle of the lineup.

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by cjmulrain on Dec 13, 2009 11:45 AM EST up reply actions  

i am on-board with getting a real first baseman

i wish this was in the plan. I don’t think the possibility of having nowhere to put a Murph should keep a gm from overhauling this team. But re-signing Delgado is an act of desperation that I’d prefer to avoid. I love the guy but there is no way he can be counted on to even get on the field at this point. That it is fantasy-winter time and we’re already settling shows just how bad it has gotten.

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by itsmetsforme on Dec 13, 2009 12:46 PM EST up reply actions  

well obviously re-signing him

would have to be accompanied with physicals and the Mets would need to be thoroughly convinced that Delgado will be healthy to start the season. But according to Bill James (I know, optimistic projections), he’s projected to hit .263/.361/.494 with 23 HR in 123 games, which is probably better than anyone on the free agent market (Nick Johnson will have a better OBP, but he’s also always a health risk, and with the Mets lineup I think I’d prefer a little more power than a little more OBP skill). And I’m not a huge fan of trading multiple prospects for a first baseman, since it’s one of the easiest positions to fill and we have a good 1B prospect on the way.

"[The Giants] beat us down. We were beat by a grown-man team, a team we want to be like one day. They came in here and took it to us. Out-manned us, out-gunned us. ... It wasn't even close." - Raheem Morris, 9/27/09

by cjmulrain on Dec 13, 2009 4:25 PM EST up reply actions  

What is CHONE, exactly?

I’m assuming it has nothing to do with the $36 million man.

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by sj10689 on Dec 13, 2009 8:20 PM EST up reply actions  

prediction performance based on many factors(age, past history, etc)

by DoctorK16 on Dec 13, 2009 9:11 PM EST up reply actions  

I would sign Delgado under two conditions:

1) That I had filled all the truly gaping holes on the roster: SP, LF, SP, C, and
2) That Delgado would accept something like a $1m base with incentives for games played.

That way I’m on the hook for very little (reasonable because we simply don’t know if Delgado can play any longer), but if Delgado shows that he’s significantly better than Murphy he’ll get in enough games of, say, .260/.350/.480 to justify running him out there and letting him reach a $7-10m salary.

by SeanSchirmer on Dec 14, 2009 12:25 AM EST up reply actions  

Do you realistically think Delgado will take that?

I don’t. He’s always been a prideful guy, be it with the standing during God Bless America, or feeling insulted by Omar taking along Bernazard as the token Puerto-Rican guy, or whatever else, when they wanted to sign him. If he can prove he can still hit decently when he does his rehab playing and whatever before the season starts, I think there will be enough of a market for him that he’ll refuse such a relatively low contract, met incentives notwithstanding.

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by Brooklyn Dodgers Mets Fan on Dec 14, 2009 1:11 AM EST up reply actions  

He's going to play in winter ball

So we’d know something before we ever sign him.

by SuperT on Dec 14, 2009 1:43 PM EST up reply actions  

Delgado would be more of an asset as a coach.

Let’s not forget that he keeps a notepad with him, of all the pitchers he has faced (if any of you remember). He has faced 1,089 pitchers in his career, facing Tim Wakefield more often than anybody else. He calls himself a “student of the game”, but he could graduate and become a profesor*, as a coach. So this way, he can teach the baby Mets (like Ike Davis one day) how to hit against pitchers like Cole Hamels (.467 career AVG against).

 * Not to be confused with Spanish teacher Profesor Reyes.

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by sj10689 on Dec 14, 2009 7:24 PM EST up reply actions  

Delgado:

“The circle is now complete. When I left you I was but the learner. Now I am the master!”

by deadspy3 on Dec 16, 2009 5:45 PM EST up reply actions  

what does it project for Murphy?

"[The Giants] beat us down. We were beat by a grown-man team, a team we want to be like one day. They came in here and took it to us. Out-manned us, out-gunned us. ... It wasn't even close." - Raheem Morris, 9/27/09

by cjmulrain on Dec 13, 2009 9:43 PM EST up reply actions  

.269/.324/.419 11 homers in 149 games

though I thought CHONE hadn’t “officially” updated their position projections.

by Gina on Dec 13, 2009 9:53 PM EST up reply actions  

so Delgado's still better

but not by all that much. I’d still take a flyer on him, depending on how much he’s looking for

"[The Giants] beat us down. We were beat by a grown-man team, a team we want to be like one day. They came in here and took it to us. Out-manned us, out-gunned us. ... It wasn't even close." - Raheem Morris, 9/27/09

by cjmulrain on Dec 13, 2009 11:12 PM EST up reply actions  

Yup. With those projections I'd bet Murphy is at least a valuable

when you include D. That’s why I’d want a contract where I can cheaply cut Delgado if he’s not hitting .260/.380/.450

by SeanSchirmer on Dec 14, 2009 12:26 AM EST up reply actions  

I don't know that Murphy is really the plan at 1st.

I think 1st is a less glaring hole than left or the rotation, but I’d guess ones those positions are stabalized there might be a move made for a first baseman. It really makes perfect sense for management to take the approach that they’re satisfied with Murphy though, as that should help his confidence and make the team look less desperate.

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-Dallas Green

by Schmidtxc on Dec 13, 2009 7:41 PM EST up reply actions  

How about Nomar Garciaparra?

Just a thought.

"The picture looked like I was in the dugout, but they got it all wrong. I absolutely was never in the dugout."

- Mr. B.V. Incognito

by sj10689 on Dec 13, 2009 8:21 PM EST up reply actions  

Between Murphy, Evans, Carter and Tatis first base won't be a glaring hole.

The thing to do is give yourself some cheap upside. That’s why offering Delgado $1m + incnetives makes the most sense to me.

by SeanSchirmer on Dec 14, 2009 12:28 AM EST up reply actions  

The only reason I'm pulling for Garko

Is because the Mets have said for months that they want someone to pair with Murphy at 1B. I’m fine with Danny-Boy at first, but if the Mets want someone to put with him there, might as well be Garko.

by The 'Ropolitans on Dec 13, 2009 11:25 AM EST reply actions  

But, as Sam said, Nick Evans is a similar player...

Plus, Evans is cheaper and more versatile defensively, making him a better bench asset.

"For $11.4 million you can actually get a good player. But of course this is one of the things foolish organizations do: They complain that they can't afford good players after spending millions of dollars on not-good players." --Rob Neyer

by boom_roasted on Dec 13, 2009 11:48 AM EST up reply actions  

but

Nick Evans sucks… and I hate him

A "Zeile" for avoiding outs

by metsguy234 on Dec 13, 2009 12:48 PM EST up reply actions  

Ah I get it...

Metsguy is Jerry Manuel posing as a 14 year old.

"For $11.4 million you can actually get a good player. But of course this is one of the things foolish organizations do: They complain that they can't afford good players after spending millions of dollars on not-good players." --Rob Neyer

by boom_roasted on Dec 13, 2009 12:51 PM EST up reply actions   1 recs

You also hate Reyes

so your opinion is invalid

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by Evan_S on Dec 13, 2009 2:46 PM EST up reply actions  

Let me guess

You’ve read interviews in which his teammates profess to hate playing with him?

by BobbyV_Incognito on Dec 13, 2009 6:16 PM EST up reply actions  

Show me a man who said he's played ball with Nick Evans, and I'll show you a liar...

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Gil Hodges IS a Hall of Famer.

by Brooklyn Dodgers Mets Fan on Dec 13, 2009 11:00 PM EST up reply actions  

Nick Evans sucks… and I hate him

Wow, that sounds like a compelling reason to not find out where the Mets are hiding him. I’m really convinced.

I believe some people said the same thing about Shin-Soo Choo before, and look where he is now!

Fact ≠ Opinion FAIL.

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by sj10689 on Dec 13, 2009 8:26 PM EST up reply actions  

but but but Nick Evans is white

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by firejerrynow on Dec 14, 2009 6:57 AM EST up reply actions  

I actuall think Capps is the kind of guy Omar would go after

Just because of the save numbers/youth, my worry is that Omar would overrated how much he was worth/how good he is.

And Johnson is probably at the top of my wish list, I’m kind of surprised at him getting non-tendered, mostly because I figure some team would be willing to take a flyer on him in a trade but I guess not. And I agree completely on Garko, no reason to bring in an older version of a player we already have.

by Gina on Dec 13, 2009 12:24 PM EST reply actions  

Glovesmithing?

I really like what Kelly Johnson brings to the table, but I would rather have glovesmith as a back-up IF. We are really missing that from our bench.

by Coolpapabell on Dec 13, 2009 12:48 PM EST up reply actions  

I agree

but I’d rather have Johnson over Cora who is our current option, though I imagine Omar thinks Cora is a “glove-smith” and Johnson is an clunky of trying to play 2nd base.

by Gina on Dec 13, 2009 12:51 PM EST up reply actions  

Johnson was good when he played LF for the Braves in 05.

"For $11.4 million you can actually get a good player. But of course this is one of the things foolish organizations do: They complain that they can't afford good players after spending millions of dollars on not-good players." --Rob Neyer

by boom_roasted on Dec 13, 2009 12:53 PM EST up reply actions  

KJ can hit

which Cora can’t do

"For $11.4 million you can actually get a good player. But of course this is one of the things foolish organizations do: They complain that they can't afford good players after spending millions of dollars on not-good players." --Rob Neyer

by boom_roasted on Dec 13, 2009 2:35 PM EST up reply actions  

Cora backs up ss

but he’s not particularly good at it. Johnson might be worse but it’s not like Cora is a particularly valuable back up ss and wouldn’t be easily replaceable with some AAAA player.

by Gina on Dec 13, 2009 2:54 PM EST up reply actions  

I think Johnson's primary position in the minors was SS

but I don’t know why he was moved off it. It may have been that he simply can’t play it at the major league level. No idea, really.

by SeanSchirmer on Dec 14, 2009 12:30 AM EST up reply actions  

Cora's back

is the issue from what i hear

I.M. Forme
"When you get yourself into trouble is when you feel you have to do something, and then you get yourself in trouble." --Omar Minaya

by itsmetsforme on Dec 13, 2009 3:49 PM EST up reply actions  

OMAR, IN ONE SENTENCE

He knows the price of everything, but the value of nothing.

"The picture looked like I was in the dugout, but they got it all wrong. I absolutely was never in the dugout."

- Mr. B.V. Incognito

by sj10689 on Dec 13, 2009 8:30 PM EST up reply actions  

Bob Barker for Mets GM

"I dunno. I never smoked any Astroturf"
-Tug McGraw

by squid92 on Dec 13, 2009 9:45 PM EST up reply actions  

I would tell Omar

To come on down (from his position), plinko-style. In making deals, he has often overbid, and is not a featured GM in the showcase.

"The picture looked like I was in the dugout, but they got it all wrong. I absolutely was never in the dugout."

- Mr. B.V. Incognito

by sj10689 on Dec 14, 2009 7:31 PM EST up reply actions  

But then again

we might as well give him another chance, just to see what comes of his plan.

"The picture looked like I was in the dugout, but they got it all wrong. I absolutely was never in the dugout."

- Mr. B.V. Incognito

by sj10689 on Dec 14, 2009 7:32 PM EST up reply actions  

Fangraphs did a write-up on the non-tenders also

http://www.fangraphs.com/fantasy/index.php/notable-non-tenders-hitters

"For $11.4 million you can actually get a good player. But of course this is one of the things foolish organizations do: They complain that they can't afford good players after spending millions of dollars on not-good players." --Rob Neyer

by boom_roasted on Dec 13, 2009 12:30 PM EST reply actions  

Somewhat depressing

But Kelly Johnson is really the only halfway-desirable option from that list of mostly scrubs.

"The picture looked like I was in the dugout, but they got it all wrong. I absolutely was never in the dugout."

- Mr. B.V. Incognito

by sj10689 on Dec 13, 2009 8:33 PM EST up reply actions  

Not so fast

I see no trouble in trying to find out what you have in Murphy. Let him play everyday so you can get an accurate read on him. The same goes for Ike Davis. If his production in AAA falters, then Carlos Pena or D-Lee could be brought in next year. Davis has problems with Lefties, so if the split is too severe then bring in a platoon partner once he comes up. If the Phillies trade for Hallady, they would have to gut their system, which places an even greater importance on minor league depth for the Mets.

I was pushing for the Mets to go all in on A-gon, but we just don’t have the depth to pull something like this off. We will have some key holes in the next few years that need to be filled by cheaper contracts because Reyes’, and Wrights deals will start increasing geometrically very soon.

I like Capps. I also think Wang and Olsen are worth contracts depending on the price.

by Coolpapabell on Dec 13, 2009 12:40 PM EST reply actions  

I could be wrong

but I think Sam was being sarcastic with his comments about Gonzales.

by Gina on Dec 13, 2009 12:41 PM EST up reply actions  

I hope so

It did seem very out of character.

by Coolpapabell on Dec 13, 2009 12:44 PM EST up reply actions  

Safe bet on the Gonzalez quote

Wait, you thought he was actually serious about that!?

It looked like a joke/sarcastic quote from a mile away!

"The picture looked like I was in the dugout, but they got it all wrong. I absolutely was never in the dugout."

- Mr. B.V. Incognito

by sj10689 on Dec 13, 2009 8:35 PM EST up reply actions  

Murphy played everyday last year

And we found out that his hitting still leaves much to be desired. Yes, he never got to play at AAA, so we could chalk up Murphy’s poor 2009 as an adjustment period. But the Mets should be playing to get into the playoffs, and I don’t think Murphy as an everyday player helps the Mets meet that goal in 2010.

by englishgrey on Dec 13, 2009 1:07 PM EST up reply actions  

A slight adjustment
But the Mets should be playing to get into the playoffs, and I don’t think Murphy as an everyday player helps the Mets meet that goal in 2010.

I hate to disagree with you on this one, but the Mets should look to emphasize bolstering their farm system over itching for the playoffs in 2010. The last thing they should do now is act by means of instant gratification, which often fails (except in the case with the Yankees, of course!)

Why rebuild for next year only, when you can rebuild instead for the several years that follow it? That’s my angle.

2011 playoffs, here we come!

"The picture looked like I was in the dugout, but they got it all wrong. I absolutely was never in the dugout."

- Mr. B.V. Incognito

by sj10689 on Dec 13, 2009 8:40 PM EST up reply actions  

I think they should do both

With some shrewd moves and a healthy lineup, the Mets can easily contend in 2010. With the Mets’ payroll, they should be aiming for the playoffs every year.

by englishgrey on Dec 13, 2009 10:18 PM EST via mobile up reply actions  

Absolutely true.

Now, we might agree that Omar is not the GM to get this one right, and that the Mets will make acquisitions that hurt them in 2010 and 2011, but theoretically you’re absolutely correct.

by SeanSchirmer on Dec 14, 2009 12:32 AM EST up reply actions  

It's a matter of emphasis

Granted, the Florida Marlins have not made the playoffs in a while, but when they had their famous “fire sale” and tried to cut player spending on salary, they still managed (somehow) to produce one of baseball’s best offenses, though the strikeouts were also offensive. The only thing that kept them from having a legitimate shot at the playoffs was their pitching, which had suffered some injuries (Nolasco, Josh Johnson, Anibal Sanchez, etc.). The pitching staff that had replaced them proved ineffective, like Andrew Miller. And to think Scott Olsen was their “ace” before 2009!

For that matter, the Mets should get players via free agency (Jason Bay, perhaps?), and not trade – they can’t afford to trade ANYBODY to necessitate any of their glaring needs effectively, especially considering nobody would take the players the Mets would offer that they themselves would deem touchable. (In fact, they’re more like untouchable, for that matter.)

Plan (may need a little tweaking)
~$35 million in available $$$ per year (not quite sure)

$13 million – Jason Bay
$ 8 million – a good no. 2/no. 3 SP
$ 7 million – some “buy low” players
$ 7 million – farm system reinforcement

"The picture looked like I was in the dugout, but they got it all wrong. I absolutely was never in the dugout."

- Mr. B.V. Incognito

by sj10689 on Dec 14, 2009 7:53 PM EST up reply actions  

I agree

The Yankees and BoSox both do it, and the Sox have less resources than us. There’s zero reason we can’t have a top farm system and a legitimate world series contender on the field.

by Gina on Dec 14, 2009 8:30 PM EST up reply actions  

We should get Cust

CHONE projects him for a .361 wOBA, and even with -15 UZR/150 defense, he projects for about 1.5 WAR in LF/RF. I would also try to pick up Kelly Johnson and Wang. Johnson is not much worse than Felipe Lopez or Orlando Hudson.

by EtSuKe on Dec 13, 2009 1:10 PM EST reply actions  

Unfortunately, Cust will most likely be much worse than a -15 UZR/150 player

Career -20.4 combined LF and RF. The Mets can do much better than that in the corner outfield spots.

"For $11.4 million you can actually get a good player. But of course this is one of the things foolish organizations do: They complain that they can't afford good players after spending millions of dollars on not-good players." --Rob Neyer

by boom_roasted on Dec 13, 2009 1:17 PM EST up reply actions  

Cust might be a -15 UZR/150 player, but happens to be 27.8 KFC/150

My hollow optimism, here.

"The picture looked like I was in the dugout, but they got it all wrong. I absolutely was never in the dugout."

- Mr. B.V. Incognito

by sj10689 on Dec 13, 2009 8:41 PM EST up reply actions  

I don't know what the stat means, but Bengie Molina has got to be what? A million KFC?

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by Brooklyn Dodgers Mets Fan on Dec 13, 2009 11:01 PM EST up reply actions  

He and CC lead the league

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-Tug McGraw

by squid92 on Dec 13, 2009 11:06 PM EST up reply actions  

At least CC puts the KFC to good use

And don’t forget Jonathan Broxton and Adam Dunn, too!

"The picture looked like I was in the dugout, but they got it all wrong. I absolutely was never in the dugout."

- Mr. B.V. Incognito

by sj10689 on Dec 14, 2009 7:41 PM EST up reply actions  

I think about 750,000 of that KFC goes to his thighs

Hence, “Cinderblock”. For that matter, he can’t possibly weigh 225, as listed.

For matters like these, we’d probably be better off trying to get Ronny Paulino.

"The picture looked like I was in the dugout, but they got it all wrong. I absolutely was never in the dugout."

- Mr. B.V. Incognito

by sj10689 on Dec 14, 2009 7:40 PM EST up reply actions  

Except...

he won’t be playing everyday, and if he isn’t, he’ll look elswhere. If he is, our monumentally bad defense gets worse.

by Sam Page on Dec 13, 2009 1:21 PM EST up reply actions  

Yeah

Cust will probably sign to be a DH somewhere, as he has much more value in that role.

"For $11.4 million you can actually get a good player. But of course this is one of the things foolish organizations do: They complain that they can't afford good players after spending millions of dollars on not-good players." --Rob Neyer

by boom_roasted on Dec 13, 2009 1:25 PM EST up reply actions  

capps velocity didn't decline

actually his fb velocity increased this season and not just a little; 91.8mph in ’08 up to 93.6mph in ’09.

interestingly he threw it about 10% less though in ’09 so i think the real reason he got rocked is poor fb command, leading him to throw his middling secondary stuff more.

by Rob Castellano on Dec 13, 2009 1:46 PM EST reply actions  

hmm

“inconsistent fastball” was probably more to the point. edited

by Sam Page on Dec 13, 2009 2:42 PM EST up reply actions  

Jose Arredondo...

I know he’s going to miss this season, but I’d love to see the Mets sign him anyway to get him under team control. Good young relievers on 1 year deals are always valuable.

"We're just as bad as the old Mets, but this time nobody's laughing"
-Dallas Green

by Schmidtxc on Dec 13, 2009 2:01 PM EST reply actions  

Lots of potential

but what is his risk and what is his projected upside ceiling? That remains to be seen. Great upside, for sure, but risky as well. But if we can get him for cheap, then I say go for it!

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by sj10689 on Dec 13, 2009 8:45 PM EST up reply actions  

Why Gomes?

He has power and nothing else.

by EtSuKe on Dec 13, 2009 2:29 PM EST up reply actions  

he'd be a much better fit

for an AL bench. he’s like jack cust, tremendous power but he’s just too much of a liability to play anywhere on the field, even in left.

by Rob Castellano on Dec 13, 2009 2:53 PM EST up reply actions  

he can still platoon first and give power off bench. .260+ avg last year wasnt bad. better than Cust

by astromets on Dec 13, 2009 3:49 PM EST up reply actions  

i agree w/ you there

i actually looked for a way to fit him into my offseason plan as i’ve like gomes back to his early TB days and he was the quietest masher in baseball this year but w/ the presence of nick evans/tatis/etc it really can’t be justified IMO.

by Rob Castellano on Dec 13, 2009 3:56 PM EST up reply actions  

he's not that good a hitter

.344 career wOBA. Cust has a .363 career wOBA. CHONE projects a .361 wOBA for Cust, and Gomes a .327

by EtSuKe on Dec 13, 2009 6:27 PM EST up reply actions  

yeah

one things cust has going for him that gomes doesn’t is that regardless of the fact that he’s not that good at pure hitting and swings and misses more than almost anybody, he takes a ton of walks.

by Rob Castellano on Dec 13, 2009 8:05 PM EST up reply actions  

Why Gomes?

He has power and nothing else.

That is EXACTLY correct. Everything else about him sucks, like the high K rate. He’s only good for a DH, as he projects to be an AL lifer.

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by sj10689 on Dec 13, 2009 8:10 PM EST up reply actions  

3 angels non-tenders

i like the idea someone mentioned about getting jose arredondo into the organization now while he’s rehabbing from TJ. he won’t be back until 2011 but pre-injury that guy had one of the most electric arms around and that’s a risk i’ll take.

dustin moseley is ok as far as buffalo/back of the rotation filler which doesn’t sound great but last season would have been gold.

another interesting guy is third baseman, matt brown. you may remember him as the starting 3B from the last olympic team. he was dropped because of his age (26) and a poor ‘09. however, this is a guy who put up a .950+ OPS w/ 21hrs and a .320avg in AAA in ’08 and 2 similar years before that. and supposedly he has a decent glove. basically he’s a guy who has always hit for power, pretty good average but not great K/BB%. actually he kinds of reminds me of shawn bowman except in the high minors.

by Rob Castellano on Dec 13, 2009 3:54 PM EST reply actions  

one more interesting guy

lefty firstbaseman josh whitesell of the diamondbacks. like most non-tendered players, he came off a down year in ‘09 but in ’08 (in AAA) batted .328/.425/.568 w/ 26hrs, though had a pretty bad BB/K. strangely similar 2008 season to matt brown above. once a 6th round draft pick of the expos in ’03, whitesell has shown the ability to definitely hit for power w/ decent average (.284 minor league total). in the end we’ll pass because he looks a clone of chris carter with more strikeouts.

by Rob Castellano on Dec 15, 2009 2:28 PM EST up reply actions  

Capps is an intriguing option

Bill James is projecting him to have a much better year than he had in 2009. Even if you want to estimate those projections as not being conservative enough, his projected numbers don’t seem that bad. He knows how to close (even if he wasn’t that good at it), and we don’t have a “genuine” set-up guy. We could sign Capps- and, there’s plenty of Closers on the market this winter, so signing him to a somewhat cheap deal is a very real possibility- and have him serve as our set-up guy (or, if K-Rod is stinking it up/injured/fatigued, a back-up closer), and try the dual closer tandem again.

Capps is also fairly young, which is another thing to consider.

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by Brooklyn Dodgers Mets Fan on Dec 13, 2009 4:35 PM EST reply actions  

Matt Capps—Capps will never live up to the closer billing he inherited in Pittsburgh, but he has consistently posted xFIPs ~4.00 since making it to the majors. An inconsistent fastball lead to Capps getting tagged for a lot of homers last year, but I guarantee, with a more liberal budget, the Pirates held onto this guy. The Mets have some holes to fill in their pen, and they could do (and probably will do) a lot worse than Capps.

From a reliever, an ERA/FIP of 3.20 is preferred for one who doesn’t go through a batting order more than once. The enthusiasm here bears somewhat of a false security blanket. I call this one medium-risk, medium-reward (depending on the salary). Nothing to get too excited about yet.

Jack Cust—I’m torn. If a team gets Jack Cust to accept a bench role, there won’t be a better lefty pinch-hitter in the majors. That said, Cust will probably look for a DH job elsewhere, and the last-in-UZR Mets might want to look for another type of fourth “outfielder.”

Wow. Some of us really miss the ol’ Dave Kingman. In a sort of Ruthian fashion, you miss big, you hit big, and when it all comes down to it, it’s all or nothing. Definitely a bench player, but one underutilized for what he could do. I just don’t see it happening. I’ll pass on this one.

Ryan Garko—Mets fans are already clamoring for Ryan Garko as the perfect platoon-mate for Daniel Murphy. He has a .885 OPSvL and a reasonable 1.17 platoon ratio, so the ability to hit lefties is real. Garko, however, has no other attractive talents. He can’t field, play anything but first, hit righties, or run. Keeping him on the bench just to relieve Murphy against lefties isn’t a very productive use of a roster spot, especially since Manuel will end up pinch-hitting him against righties too often. If anyone wants to convince me Garko is more deserving of a roster spot than Nick Evans, who hits lefties nearly as well, with the added ability to play outfield and emergency catcher, good luck.

I liked Garko earlier, but he has disappointed. He should have broken out, but he in fact regressed. It’s really not worth it. Moderate-risk, medium-low-reward. I’m not buying it.

Garret Atkins—Although a incentive-laden deal would be tempting, I still have trouble finding where Atkins would fit on the bench. He’s basically Ryan Garko with more upside, but also considerably larger and more likely downside.

Can you say MEGABUST? He can’t even hit within the friendly confines of Coors Field all that well anymore! No, NOOO! Stay away. Put down the phone, Omar – don’t go on the Atkins Diet!

Ryan Langerhans—The Mariners replaced Endy Chavez with Ryan Langerhans and the Mariners are smart, so let’s do that too. Good BB% and decent power make for a league-average hitter with tremendous defensive ability.

Who had the lowest BB/K rate last year? Bengie Molina, of course. Yeah, the much sought-after “Mr. Cinderblock”! Just wanted to add this, since I just found out now.

If Alberto Callaspo’s defense was better, though, he would be a solid 2B replacement option. Sadly, for all his BB/K might, that is simply not the case. (insert frustrated smiley here)

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by sj10689 on Dec 13, 2009 8:05 PM EST reply actions  

I read one of your posts one time

but I mostly skimmed it.

"I see the job in bigger terms. Paperwork, that’s false hustle... Know what I’m sayin’?"

by Evan_S on Dec 14, 2009 5:02 AM EST up reply actions  

Well,

I do, as evidenced by my response a few posts above. I broke down and analyzed the key points.

Admittedly, I can’t read all the posts on my schedule, but I make it an effort to stay up-to-date whenever possible.

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