Omar is DEFINITELY Up To Something
Look guys, I know you are all upset that all the other teams are getting better and the Mets are sitting around doing absolutely nothing. Lackey to the Red Sox, Chone Figgins to Seattle, Roy Halladay to the Phillies, Granderson to the Yankees, Kendall to the Royals (Ok just kidding I know you guys hate Kendall and I am the only one who likes him), and the Mets haven't done diddly squat except sign a few minor leaguers like Hessman and those Dutch guys. However, no matter how bad a GM Omar Minaya is, he is definitely not an idiot, and like it or not he still does a decent job filling in the holes, even if he doesn't do it perfectly. Keep in mind this is a guy who went out and got Beltran, and Pedro, and Santana, and K-Rod, and Putz, etc. Now not all of those deals worked out perfectly, but you have to admit, you were probably excited when these happened and thought they were good deals at the time.
Anyway, what I am trying to say is simple. All the other teams are going out and spending big bucks on free agents and trading big prospects for star players, but while it may seem like he is, Minaya is certainly not just standing by watching only later to say, "Oh, why didn't I think of that?" Of course, there were a few moves made that I think he could have a should have made, such as acquiring Kevin Millwood, but that is besides the point. He definitely did not decide he should have signed John Lackey only after the Red Sox signed him.
Minaya has a plan. His plan is to let everyone else rush and panic and get everything done now, no matter how expensive it may be, and after the New Year, when everything settles down, he will pick up some players on the cheap.
I really hope the Mets sign Matt Holiday. I don't care if it is 6 years, but if Minaya waits long enough we may be able to get him for 4 or 5 years. I wouldn't mind Jason Bay, but only if we can have him for no more than 4 years. That may only be possible through waiting and letting the hype die down. And if the Mariners or the Yankees or some other team comes in and swoops these players up for a huge, expensive long term deal, so be it. The idea is to improve the team now and for the future. We do not want to put ourselves into a position where we will be shackled to a bad, overpaid player in a few years.
Even if the Mets can't get a Holiday or a Bay after the hype dies down, Minaya, while he is also the butt of many jokes, is still a smart man. Last year, when he acquired J.J. Putz in that three team trade, did anyone see it coming? No, I certainly didn't and I know you did not either. Even though I do not like it now, and I had some doubts about it then (I wasn't too crazy about trading away Joe Smith, or these two teenagers named Carrera and Cleto, who even though I had never heard of them were able to be the deal breaker in a massive trade) I honestly thought it would make the Mets better in 2009. So Putz got hurt, Omar couldn't see that coming. All examples aside, he may be able to pull off another massive trade this time around. Okay, so we may not be getting Adrian Gonzalez, but perhaps Minaya can somehow net us a Diasuke Matsuzaka or a Grady Sizemore. Players who are very good, but may not be the best fit with their current team for reasons such as deep depth with the Red Sox or money with the Indians can be good fits for the Mets. We don't have too much depth in any one area and we have some extra money to spend so why not?
In conclusion, I don't really have any specific ideas for what Omar Minaya can do to make himself look like a genius, but I can assure you one things. He certainly is not a dumb man and he will definitely do something, something big to improve the Mets for the 2010 season. So while you watch all the other teams make deals for big star players, do not fret, and just relax, because a major league GM may always have something smart up his sleeve.
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A lot of folks here did NOT like the K-Rod and Putz deals at the time. I actually didn’t mind either at the time, but I was kind of on hiatus from thinking seriously about baseball.
Don't fret, guys!
We still have to sign Bay, Molina, and Marquis! THE SEASON’S NOT OVER YERRRT
"I dunno. I never smoked any Astroturf"
-Tug McGraw
DON'T WORRY! BE LOBBY!
Be at peace, for no good reason? Believe in the face of all empirical evidence? Trust in his unknowable plan?
If you’re planning on starting the Church of Omar, this probably isn’t the right offseason to do so.
by LeiterMilnerFasterStronger on Dec 14, 2009 5:49 PM EST reply actions
Alou-luia.
He is DLed! He has lobby! You will know what I mean, ’kay?
by LeiterMilnerFasterStronger on Dec 14, 2009 6:06 PM EST up reply actions
Wow, why the bad reactions so quickly?
I know. It’s because the Phillies won the World Series in 2008 and then the Yankees won it in 2009, you guys feel the Mets are not doing anything right. I see your point, but we need to be at least a little more optismistic, right? I know that 90% of the people on this website would probably make a better GM than Omar but we are pretty smart people. Omar is no dunce. Just have a little faith in him. No GM in all of baseball could have gotten enough quality relievers in August to fix the Mets gigantic bullpen problem back in 2007. 2008 was a good year, the Philies we just better. And that wasn’t Omar’s fault. The Phillies were better because they had drafted very good players such as Rollins and Utley and Howard many years ago, some before Omar even became GM. And last year, it seemed every single player we had got hurt. That is also not Minaya’s fault.
Gas prices today are a lot like a pitcher's ERA. Anything under 3 is amazing, under 4 is pretty good and anything 5 and up is something you want to avoid.
no, it's just a silly post
i don’t care that we didn’t get halladay or lackey, i never thought we would and wasn’t too interested in the price anyway . but asking people to have faith in omar because he’s up to something is dumb because
1) there’s not much else omar can do, so it’s highly unlikely some big “plan” is in the works, outside of signing jason bay.
2) you’re asking people to have faith in someone who is for all intents and purposes completely inept. omar’s number 1 talent is throwing money at big name free agents. there are two of those left. good luck.
well
he ain’t Ed Wade or Dayton Moore, and he did ok with the 2008 draft, and not all of his moves are terrible.
There, I’m done. :)
Omar versus Kenny Williams
although Kenny has the one ws.
Is he?
I think he is coasting on the world series and a great half season from Carlos Quentin after he was acquired. He also seems inordinately fond of Scott Podsednik. Who wasn’t that bad last year actually. His farm system is kinda barren. Hudson and Flowers are ok, and Beckham graduated. I think the Mets have a much better farm system presently.
Hmmm....
Drafted very good players. Why don’t we try that?
The draft is boring...
It’s more fun to schedule a big shiny press conference in January, and pose at a podium with the FA signing du jour holding up a Met jersey, and imagine this guy will have 5 career years in a row for us.
It’s called “making a big splash”, the Met signature move. Followed by proclamations that we’re now the team to beat. Followed by confusion when we’re watching football in October.
If we drafted players, we’d have to (1) be good at it, and (2) wait a couple years for them to develop. Who can be bothered.
Omar might not be a dunce, but...
I’m reminded of something Nate Silver wrote a few years back when the Astros fired Tim Purpura. In essence, you can be one of the twenty brightest baseball minds around, and your team will still be behind the intellectual curve, since there can be 19 better people, with whom you’re in direct competition. Minaya does have a few skills; some of the veteran pickups haven’t been awful, like Valentin in 2006, Tatis in 2008, and Sheffield for a while last year, and the farm system is starting to generate a few nice Latin American players.
Unfortunately, Omar also has weaknesses which everyone on this forum knows, and his greatest one is the complete lack of any sort of plan. We know how the Mariners, Rays, and Red Sox are building- they’re investing a ton in defense, because it’s undervalued. But the Mets? They certainly don’t care about defense, and if the lineup next year has Bay, Molina, Frenchy, and Castillo all starting, the pitchers are going to revolt.
Let’s be quite serious here: the last major trades the Mets made involved things like trading for an injured J.J. Putz, or throwing away Billy Wagner for the bizarro Murphy. At this point, a brilliant trade or signing a la Jack Z in Seattle is only slightly more likely than Omar forming a living six-win OF out of dirt.
by The nye mets are my favorite team on Dec 15, 2009 7:53 PM EST up reply actions
I think Omar cares about defense
he just doesn’t seem to have any idea how to evaluate, I think a report came out that said they did some sort of statistical analysis and decided Bay was a better defender than Holliday.
I think you're right....
Omar is planning his exit from Citi Field without being seen.
you know what I'm sayin' ?
I have it on good authority
He’s a wizard in the kitchen, and quite accomplished at acrostics.
by LeiterMilnerFasterStronger on Dec 14, 2009 8:39 PM EST up reply actions
Amazing at crosswords too
Asking a General Manager to slim down his budget is like asking an alcoholic to blow up a distillery.
by scott from peekskill on Dec 15, 2009 11:27 PM EST up reply actions
Actually in Omar's defense I've heard he's actually pretty adept at the purely buisness side
of being a gm. Which is weird considering he was a scout. But not the actual building/sustaining a baseball franchise on the field part.
it's a shame then
that the building/sustaining part is what we pay him for
What do you consider the business side?
Identifying market trends—NO
talent evaluation—NO
office and personnel accountability—NO
budgeting—NO
yeah i just refound the article and realized it was about his days in Montreal not here
but I’m sure he’s good at lots of things, just not any of the things we pay him for.
Minaya is the best!!!!!
it goes without saying the players have been screwing up on the field..where’s the love?
they need to be loved, Met fans show your team some love or find another team to root
for….maybe, the 1964 Phillies?
perhaps its because Omar is signing the wrong players?
only so much our 4 star players can do on their own.
by KeithsMoustache on Dec 14, 2009 9:14 PM EST up reply actions
Especially when 3 are coming off injuries, and the 4th is coming off a concussion.
you know what I'm sayin' ?
what are you talking about they're the epitome of healthy
::covers ears and sings “i can’t hear you” :::
by KeithsMoustache on Dec 14, 2009 9:29 PM EST up reply actions
then how do you explain the fact that we are not champtions ?
are you implying the 4 stars are false Gods ?.
you know what I'm sayin' ?
who says Omar's not dumb?
hey Bobby Baseball thanks for the load of crap. I got news for you, Omar IS an idiot! And yeah geez, I wish we had Joe Smith! That would make the bullpen all warm and fuzzy.
3 years of pent up hostility?
on top of seeing our really really annoying rivals and the stupid team from the other side of town win world series?
not to mention seeing the yankees make smart free agent signings and shrewd trades that sustain their team while maintaining a somewhat strong farm system, while we trade 7 players for a reliever and waste 2 years of paying two all-world players peanuts by building 150 million dollars worth of crap around them?
by Gina on Dec 14, 2009 9:22 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
Agreed.
"He's definitely mixing it into his repertoire. That's French for 'repertoire' " - Keith Hernandez
by Catsmeat Potter-Pirbright on Dec 14, 2009 9:38 PM EST up reply actions
And on top of the last 3 seasons watching him get completely outplayed
this offseason.
by SeanSchirmer on Dec 14, 2009 10:33 PM EST up reply actions
Bobby Baseball?
j/k.
"He's definitely mixing it into his repertoire. That's French for 'repertoire' " - Keith Hernandez
by Catsmeat Potter-Pirbright on Dec 14, 2009 10:39 PM EST up reply actions
Did you read OMAR'S WORK?????
supposed to be phunny-phonny….
I beg to differ
Omar is an Idiot
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by Scent of a Woman on Dec 14, 2009 10:25 PM EST reply actions
Omar is up to something...
Sometimes, I think the same thing about my dog. Sometimes, she seems smarter than a dog should be. But, often times, as I think that, she starts licking her ass. So, all things being equal…
"Blinding ignorance does mislead us. O! Wretched mortals, open your eyes!"
Gil Hodges IS a Hall of Famer.
by Brooklyn Dodgers Mets Fan on Dec 14, 2009 10:55 PM EST reply actions
Usually when I think that about my dog
next time i look at her she’s destroyed a couch
so what’s the baseball equivalent of a destroyed couch?
Bengie Molina for three years?
Actually that would be destroying a couch, and crapping all over the carpet.
Bobby Baseball
I honestly don’t think Omar is that smart. I think he’s good at writing checks. Given his mediocre results with the NL’s highest payroll, can you even imagine what Omar would do with an average payroll?
I actually find myself hoping that Omar doesn’t do anything, because then at least it would lessen the likelihood of some abjectly disastrous move.
When I think he’s “up to something”, I think “oh god, no”.
He has some skills of worth. I guess.
He probably would be a lot better as an Assistant GM, or some other “in-the-back” function. As a GM, both here and especially in Montreal, he certainly has made more questionable moves than genuine, certified good moves.
"Blinding ignorance does mislead us. O! Wretched mortals, open your eyes!"
Gil Hodges IS a Hall of Famer.
by Brooklyn Dodgers Mets Fan on Dec 14, 2009 11:34 PM EST up reply actions
Alright, if you say so.
"Blinding ignorance does mislead us. O! Wretched mortals, open your eyes!"
Gil Hodges IS a Hall of Famer.
by Brooklyn Dodgers Mets Fan on Dec 15, 2009 12:27 AM EST up reply actions
I've arrived at this position too over the past week.
Watching Minaya trudge after Bengie F. Molina while have the FAs signed for 2010 has been pitiful. Absolutely pitiful.
by SeanSchirmer on Dec 15, 2009 12:23 AM EST up reply actions
Yeah this is ridiculous
how long does he need to “focus” on Bay before he can at least make an offer to anyone else?
You know how stupid people are. They gotta concentrate on one thing at a time, real hard.
"Blinding ignorance does mislead us. O! Wretched mortals, open your eyes!"
Gil Hodges IS a Hall of Famer.
by Brooklyn Dodgers Mets Fan on Dec 15, 2009 3:11 PM EST up reply actions
I guess he is concentrating on the baby Jesus
Asking a General Manager to slim down his budget is like asking an alcoholic to blow up a distillery.
by scott from peekskill on Dec 15, 2009 11:30 PM EST up reply actions
And by the baby Jesus I mean Jason Bay
Asking a General Manager to slim down his budget is like asking an alcoholic to blow up a distillery.
by scott from peekskill on Dec 15, 2009 11:30 PM EST up reply actions
Can baby Jesus catch? Give him $2 million dollars, and let's see what's what.
"Blinding ignorance does mislead us. O! Wretched mortals, open your eyes!"
Gil Hodges IS a Hall of Famer.
by Brooklyn Dodgers Mets Fan on Dec 15, 2009 11:58 PM EST up reply actions
Wait a second
Maybe Bobby Baseball IS Omar, and this is his way of hinting to the fanbase that something is on its way!
I thought it might be
Bobby Bonilla.
I will say Bobby Baseball may be on to something if Omar ends up signing Sheets and Harang to reasonable deals, maybe Bay (unless Holliday wouldn’t cost much more), and although maybe nothing can stop him also wasting money on Benji, as long as he doesn’t foolishly throw away some of his prospects, I won’t think it’s an awful off-season. We’ll see.
thats a lot of ifs in a market that is losing talent quick.
but getting any combination of Sheets, Harang, and/or Garland and signing Bay to a reasonable contract wouldn’t be horrible, but it wouldn’t really hide the fact the Mets have bungled this offseason pretty badly. However these moves could at least keep us somewhat competitive assuming the Phils don’t win a ridiculous number of games.
by KeithsMoustache on Dec 15, 2009 11:43 AM EST up reply actions
lotta ifs
but I am not trying to bust Bobby’s chops.
At least it isn’t a knee-jerk response to the Phils deal, which if current reports are accurate doesn’t look all that great for the Phils, frankly.
yeah that one boggles the mind
but good for the mariners, thats a team that could go places.
by KeithsMoustache on Dec 15, 2009 5:31 PM EST up reply actions
Darn it I didn't think anyone would be able to see through this!
Gas prices today are a lot like a pitcher's ERA. Anything under 3 is amazing, under 4 is pretty good and anything 5 and up is something you want to avoid.
by Bobby Baseball on Dec 15, 2009 4:07 PM EST up reply actions
Say bay and Holliday both go elsewhere
Who is the #3 option? I hate to think Dye is in Omar’s mind as this seasons Raul Ibanez.
Asking a General Manager to slim down his budget is like asking an alcoholic to blow up a distillery.
by scott from peekskill on Dec 15, 2009 11:33 PM EST reply actions
That
"Blinding ignorance does mislead us. O! Wretched mortals, open your eyes!"
Gil Hodges IS a Hall of Famer.
by Brooklyn Dodgers Mets Fan on Dec 15, 2009 11:58 PM EST up reply actions
Ergh...That's assuming that there is a #3 option. If Cameron, let's say, was the #3 option, he's now gone. The FA is starting to slim...
"Blinding ignorance does mislead us. O! Wretched mortals, open your eyes!"
Gil Hodges IS a Hall of Famer.
by Brooklyn Dodgers Mets Fan on Dec 15, 2009 11:59 PM EST up reply actions
Rooting interests
Being Mets fans, we naturally are pessimistic. Still, I hope that Omar can prove us wrong. It’s all we have, this little shred of hope. If it is in any way possible that the Mets can pull another miracle (or if the Phillies get hit with the kind of injuries we had last year), then I am willing to devote myself to the Church of Omar. Honestly, a church for this team is not a bad idea. As currently composed, the Mets can win. They just need to get that root off of themselves. Can anyone recommend a good santero to Mr. Minaya?
I’m not familiar with the orishas, but can I interest you in St. Jude?
by BobbyV_Incognito on Dec 16, 2009 2:50 AM EST up reply actions

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