8 years, 16 million per

Yay! Stuck with Bay! *barfs on keyboard*

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wow, quite an offer

certainly not competing with that.

by KeithsMoustache on Dec 15, 2009 12:25 AM EST reply actions

he couldn't possibly turn that down...that's rediculous

by RIPShea on Dec 15, 2009 12:25 AM EST reply actions

10x worse news than the Halladay trade. This sucks. 8 years? No one gets 8 years.

by True Blue4 on Dec 15, 2009 12:28 AM EST reply actions

I like the Halladay trade for the Mets. I think in the long term Cliff Lee will be more successful and they traded him and possibly 2 or 3 of their best prospects for Halladay who is already 33 or 34 (don’t remember) and has had issues before. Seattle really is building that team.

by RIPShea on Dec 15, 2009 12:31 AM EST up reply actions

EIGHT years???????????

Omar would be an idiot to match that

by Syler on Dec 15, 2009 12:29 AM EST reply actions

Jeeze...That is a massive deal...

Maybe the Cardinals will somehow price themselves out of Pujols, and we can get him? Am I right, you know?

Well, with that in mind, at least we’ll probably get the consolation prize in Bay, right?

"Blinding ignorance does mislead us. O! Wretched mortals, open your eyes!"
Gil Hodges IS a Hall of Famer.

by Brooklyn Dodgers Mets Fan on Dec 15, 2009 12:31 AM EST reply actions

Bay really doesn't suck

He’s not Holliday, but he’s still a very good hitter

by Syler on Dec 15, 2009 12:33 AM EST up reply actions

not so sure

Pujols wanted Holliday to stay. For all we know he told the Cards to offer this.

by RIPShea on Dec 15, 2009 12:34 AM EST up reply actions

Was being sarcastic with Pujols, trying to look for any kind of silver lining.

"Blinding ignorance does mislead us. O! Wretched mortals, open your eyes!"
Gil Hodges IS a Hall of Famer.

by Brooklyn Dodgers Mets Fan on Dec 15, 2009 12:37 AM EST up reply actions

It may not be as insane as it appears.

If Bay really turned down 4/65 and is likely to end up with 5/85, then the AAV on Hallday’s contract is actually less. Figure in inflation and 10% a year for MLB contract inflation and what’s he getting in 2017: $6 million in 2009 dollars?

Very clever these St. Louisians.

by SeanSchirmer on Dec 15, 2009 12:34 AM EST reply actions

Something tells me that contract is going to be ridiculously backloaded

by Syler on Dec 15, 2009 12:38 AM EST up reply actions

jeez

that’s a monster deal, i didn’t think holiday would really go for that much.

by Rey-O on Dec 15, 2009 12:35 AM EST reply actions

and it's not that Bay sucks

he is just gonna be a big question mark defensively in 2,3,4 years. Red Sox signed Cameron for under 17 million/2 years and I gotta say- The Mets should have done that.

by RIPShea on Dec 15, 2009 12:35 AM EST reply actions

Right- Bay doesn't suck.

It’s just that he was not the best out there this off-season.

"Blinding ignorance does mislead us. O! Wretched mortals, open your eyes!"
Gil Hodges IS a Hall of Famer.

by Brooklyn Dodgers Mets Fan on Dec 15, 2009 12:41 AM EST up reply actions

Maybe so, but do you think Bay and Molina is going to cut it?

Particularly when the Mets are eight games out on June 1st…

by SeanSchirmer on Dec 15, 2009 1:12 AM EST up reply actions

Not completely, but I know it's a start

All hell would go loose if the Mets lost out on Bay and Holliday as well, and it would really remove any ability for the Mets to upgrade this offseason

by Syler on Dec 15, 2009 1:16 AM EST up reply actions

It would have to be a series of smaller moves.

a second-tier LFer, a 1bman, 2 starters, a sound bullpen arm.

I happen to think those moves would give the Mets a real shot at the playoffs if 3 of Wright, Reyes, Beltran, and Santana stay healthy and the fourth can put up 2-3 WAR. Still, that would run around $35 million + Molina, Blanco, and Cora.

But yeah, all hell would break loose.

by SeanSchirmer on Dec 15, 2009 1:25 AM EST up reply actions

i'd rather win than satiate angry Mets fans

Cameron would leave plenty of payroll room to upgrade the rotation, and I personally think he’s a better fit than Bay.

by KeithsMoustache on Dec 15, 2009 1:09 AM EST up reply actions

Then why not Cameron and Lackey

Supposedly the mets front office wanted Lackey or Bay. Yet they couldn’t even make an offer to Lackey in all this time?

what exactly have they been doing?

by Gina on Dec 15, 2009 1:25 AM EST up reply actions

Omar is an idiot and completely misjudged the market again

I bet he didn’t even know the Red Sox were in on Lackey

by Syler on Dec 15, 2009 1:27 AM EST up reply actions

At least we stopped them from stealing Cora back

by Gina on Dec 15, 2009 1:40 AM EST up reply actions

I can't wait until we go 9 years $140 mil

"I dunno. I never smoked any Astroturf"
-Tug McGraw

by squid92 on Dec 15, 2009 7:10 AM EST reply actions

We talk about Omar bidding against himself

but why would the Cards offer this now? The Mets are rumored to prefer Bay, and if they get him, who would be going up against the Cards on Holliday?

by Mount17 on Dec 15, 2009 9:45 AM EST reply actions

Probably because they think resigning him will go along way towards getting Pujols to extend

and as a medium market team they can’t afford an AAV of 18 million+ so they have to spread the cost out over years while still making it lucrative enough for Holliday to prefer it over any 18-19 million per deals.

by Gina on Dec 15, 2009 10:38 AM EST up reply actions

But where are

those $18-19 million deals? Why make that offer now when it’s not even clear if anyone else is seriously in on Holliday?

by Mount17 on Dec 15, 2009 10:44 AM EST up reply actions

to avoid "offending" him?

with a lowball offer? I really don’t know I think they just really want to lock him up as quickly as possible.

by Gina on Dec 15, 2009 10:49 AM EST up reply actions

I guess that could be the reason

but we know that Boras will not be rushed into anything anyway, so I think they might have been better off waiting it out a little bit.

by Mount17 on Dec 15, 2009 11:00 AM EST up reply actions

I would imagine Boras would want something like 6 years 115-120

That way it’s almost 20mm per, plus Holliday will be 35 when the contract expires and still an attractive free agent option.

"For $11.4 million you can actually get a good player. But of course this is one of the things foolish organizations do: They complain that they can't afford good players after spending millions of dollars on not-good players." --Rob Neyer

by boom_roasted on Dec 15, 2009 11:29 AM EST up reply actions

In the immortal words of Clay Davis

sheeeeeeeiiiiiiit.

But is it even a certainty that Holliday will take this offer? If Boras is as manipulative as people suggest, I could see him getting Holliday to take a shorter contract for a higher AAV than this, b/c that looks better for Boras (and makes him more money). I still think it can’t hurt for the Mets to offer 6 years at $19 or so million a year and hope Boras gets him to take the extra money over the extra years.

"[The Giants] beat us down. We were beat by a grown-man team, a team we want to be like one day. They came in here and took it to us. Out-manned us, out-gunned us. ... It wasn't even close." - Raheem Morris, 9/27/09

by cjmulrain on Dec 15, 2009 3:30 PM EST reply actions

I wouldn't make him more money if the contract is for less total money isnt it?

Since I thought he makes a percentage of the total value not

by Gina on Dec 15, 2009 4:39 PM EST up reply actions

I'm actually not sure how it works

I always assumed the agent takes a percentage of the annual pay, but you might be right. Maybe it’s even done on a case-by-case basis. Times like these I wish my law school hadn’t fucked me over 3 semesters in a row for course registration and I could have taken sports law.

by cjmulrain on Dec 15, 2009 4:45 PM EST up reply actions

Update:

“Olney says the Cards intend to stand by a five-year offer – that’s considerably short of the eight-year deal hinted at yesterday”
Also, some before:
“It’s unclear at this point how many of the seasons are option years – if any”
So the 8 year offer might not be a guaranteed 8 years, which would make a lot more sense.

by EtSuKe on Dec 15, 2009 5:29 PM EST reply actions