The Mets Are Doomed, And Other Offseason Overreactions
The local rags are absolutely killing Omar Minaya and the Mets for their failure to attract any big names to Queens so far this offseason. The story goes like this: the Mets were terrible last season and the Phillies have appeared in back-to-back World Series, so the Mets have no choice but to jerk at the knees and spend big-time money as quickly as possible. Look- the Red Sox already signed two key free agents and are itching to acquire Adrian Gonzalez from the Padres! Check it out- the Phillies went out and traded for one of the best pitchers in baseball! Dang- even the Nationals are drawing interest from free agent pitchers. If the Mets don't do something irrational soon they'll be doomed to finish fourth again in 2010!
I'd like to see the Mets be a bit more aggressive in pursuing some of the more attractive free agents -- Matt Holliday in particular -- but there's no need to act like a crazy person waving a fistful of cash around a used car lot. The Mets have been mostly quiet since the free agency doors swung open last month, and now that John Lackey has landed in Boston and Roy Halladay has been traded to Philadelphia, outside forces are putting even more pressure on the Mets to step up and do something and, what's more, they're slamming the Mets for failing to acquire either of those players. I guess it makes good copy, but I'd personally be underwhelmed if the Mets had made either of those two deals..
John Lackey - Lackey signed with the Red Sox for five years and $82.5 million. That's an average annual value of $16.5 million for a pitcher who hasn't posted a sub-4.00 tRA or thrown 180 innings since 2007. Lackey turned 31 in October and his strikeout rate has declined steadily from a high of 8.57 in 2005 to a barely-league-average 7.09 last year. He still has very good control and he doesn't allow too many homeruns, but he has missed time due to injury in each of the past two seasons and there's a very good chance that his best years are behind him. The bottom line is that Lackey is a good, not great, pitcher, and Boston has just committed almost $17 million a year to him for the next half-decade. I suspect that if he had any interest in coming to the Mets that it would have cost them even more than the Sox paid.
Roy Halladay - Halladay is a terrific pitcher, but it's just not clear that the Phillies have improved themselves much for 2010, and it's quite possible that they've put themselves in a far worse position for 2011 and beyond. Halladay will make $15.75 million next year -- $6 million paid by the Blue Jays -- in the final year of the deal he signed with Toronto. Cliff Lee will make $9 million next year, so the cost difference to the Phillies is negligible. The Phillies then signed Halladay to a three-year extension at $20 million per season that will carry him through age 36, and there's a vesting option worth another $20 million for 2014. If Halladay is healthy enough to reach the innings-pitched threshold for the option to vest, we're talking about a five-year, $90 million deal in total, which is a lot of money for a pitcher -- an admittedly great one -- who is already in his mid-thirties. Nevermind that the Phillies had to trade Lee just to get Halladay to the table to sign the extension. Add in the fact that the Mets didn't have anyone like Lee to trade for Halladay in the first place and I just don't get how you can denigrate them for failing to make a similar deal.
I guess that's it, really, and because the Mets didn't make either of those two iffy deals we have to live with the insufferable moanings of local columnists disparaging the Mets for their relative inactivity. There are plenty of things to dislike about Omar Minaya and the Mets' approach to, well, everything, but not overpaying for Lackey or Halladay shouldn't be counted among them. I would also urge Minaya not to acquiesce to the pitchfork-mob ramblings of the New York scribes, who care only about the next day's column (or the next minute's inane Tweet) and would be all-too-happy if the Mets went out and signed Jason Bay to a six-year, $100 million deal, just so they could rag on them for that one, too.
I don't think the Mets are merely sitting back and waiting for the action to come to them, but I do believe they are taking a measured approach to free agency -- and the trade market, I suppose -- and are certainly in a good position right now to land either Bay or Holliday. Teams like the Red Sox, Angels, and Yankees, who might otherwise compete with the Mets for those players' services, have already committed their money and open outfield spots to other players, so the Mets are in no way obligated to overpay for any of the remaining free agents. Since the Red Sox's four-year, $60 million offer is probably off the table, unless some other team has come along and expressed interest in Bay there's no sense in the Mets guaranteeing five years -- let alone six -- to bring Bay into the fold when there is nobody else against whom they are bidding. To that end, I sincerely hope that the Mets' reported interest in Holliday is legitimate, because there's no better way to get Bay to come around to your line of thinking than by making a comparable offer to Bay's free-agent rival (so to speak).
At all events, the Mets aren't actually in the inescapable morass of woe into which everyone has seemingly cast them. They have money, they have options, and, goodness willing, they have some kind of plan. We're as critical of them here as anyone, but I think it's probably time to lighten up just a bit.
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What's rationality?
I don’t understand this post. It seems to be logical, well balanced, and rational. Mets fans and media cannot comprehend this type of writing . . .
by 86_revisited on Dec 17, 2009 7:52 AM EST reply actions 2 recs
Amen!
Eric, thank you for posting this. Mets fans need to lighten up and root for their team, despite the problems and calamaties. People get injured, mistakes are made. That’s life. It’s not the end of the world. What ever happened to supporting the players? The Mets will always be my favorite team regardless of whether they win the World Series or finish dead last. That’s what being a sports fan is all about. So whether Bay gets four or five years or Omar decides to bring back Benny Agbayani just for laughs, I say….LET’S GO METS!
I'm calling you out
You’re Jeff Wilpon.
by Pack Bringley on Dec 17, 2009 1:47 PM EST up reply actions
I wish!
I’m just a guy who likes baseball and hates when people complain about cr*p that’s out of their control.
You remind me of this guy, not in a bad way

by Pack Bringley on Dec 17, 2009 2:10 PM EST up reply actions
Thanks for looking!
"He's definitely mixing it into his repertoire. That's French for 'repertoire' " - Keith Hernandez
by Catsmeat Potter-Pirbright on Dec 17, 2009 2:20 PM EST up reply actions
I don't see how they traded Lee for Halladay.
Acquiring Halladay for them was contingent on trading Lee, but those seem like 2 separate deals both involving 3 prospects for big time pitchers.
"goodness willing, they have some kind of plan"
We have a plan, and our plan, I like our plan
My anguish has been less not because of Halladay or Lackey and more from bidding on Bay but not Holliday (or Cameron) and above all, because it is Omar. It’s a preemptive strike, who are we going to overpay, what bad player are we going to sign, what prospects are we trading for nothing. I’m not optimistic, but I could reserve judgement until that happens.
And there are also these kind of reports
Newsday’s Ken Davidoff said that (of all things) Bay’s long-ago stint in center field with Pittsburgh is the reason that New York rates him as a better defender than Matt Holliday.
Everything Eric said is right
But I have the same fear as you. There NO reason to make a higher offer to Bay – hell, I wish we could reduce it. But I have a feeling Omar is going to give him a 5th year just for kicks.
That's the issue right there
Do I have enough confidence in Omar when the chips are down, to tell Bay to take a walk if he wants 5 years guaranteed?
The answer is probably “no”. We’ll go back and forth for a little while, and Omar will eventually give in because the pressure is on him to get something shiny.
by HotChipWillBreakYourLegs on Dec 17, 2009 9:27 AM EST up reply actions
getting outta 4th place
the mets need pitching, and then more pitching/let’s face it the nats are pursuing available pitchers more ardently then omar the fans vote of confidence in maine. pelfrey and perez fizzled in 09’. they need a #2 and #3 sp / it’s highly probable omar will sign piniero with an ollie type contract/like it or not and let’s see if he can duplicate in ny what he accomplished in st louis/ . what’s left ?marquis, bedard. garland. davis. sheets, duchsmeyer(never make in ny with a name like that),smoltz(no way were to used to booing him) looper(god forbid) contreras,washburn(boras client) OR do you try the trade market orroyo , lowe., harang
Finally there’s still chapman
Nicely done, Eric.
You are in absolute agreement with Cerrone. I think I’m surprised…
http://www.metsblog.com/2009/12/17/opinion-stay-calm-well-be-fine/
Oh, the butcher and the baker and the people on the street: wheredotheygo?!?!?
Agreed on your Lackey/Halladay take. As someone else mentioned, the problem for me has been the Jason Bay situation. It wouldn’t be the end of the world at all if they signed Bay, especially with Cammy off the market. But wasn’t the point of pursuing Bay so that you didn’t have to engage Boras in a drawn-out negotiation? Bay is playing the market as much as Holliday is right now.
The media could EASILY pick on the Mets for targeting Bay over Holliday with stupid justifcation. The Lackey/Halladay stuff not so much.
In 60 days when the Mets have a new bat for LF, some form of SP, maybe a bullpen arm, and BIG BOPPER BENGIE MOLINA (sarcasm on the excitement), people won’t complain about the time it took to get it down. I just hope Omar doesn’t bid against himself for these guys.
Yeah, I dunno
We have money, options, and a gm who has squandered past monies and past options. That’s kind of what we have to go on. I hope you’re right to believe that we’re taking “a measured approach to free agency — and the trade market,” and i sympathize with pleas to hold up and let the process play out, but that’s really not what we do here. So I guess I’m, uh, defending measured pessimism as opposed to your measured optimism. Groundbreaking stuff.
I agree with this
but it seems a little like an elaborated version of the inventor frank fanpost… ?
Travis Hafner is made of gold
It's the drive-by media.
God, I hate (most) professional sports journalists.
by Jamesir Bensonmum on Dec 17, 2009 10:30 AM EST reply actions
You think it'll be a little better in 15 years?
I wonder. There’s a whole generation of very young smarty-pantses coming up, as evidenced by a lot of the folks around here. There are a lot of barriers, but…
by Pack Bringley on Dec 17, 2009 10:34 AM EST up reply actions
Perhaps.
I just don’t see it happening. Now, I’m throwing money away at a MA in Media Studies, so I’ve been studying media trends for a while, so I guess I have a fair frame of reference. I just don’t see, as popular culture has continually been moving to the lowest common denominator, that mainstream sports media will ever be a bastion of intellectuals. Now, enough with the elitism.
What I can see is that there will definitely be a niche market for the brainier and more involved fans, but the metrics are painfully boring and uninviting to the casual fans (who have just as much a right to the game as we do). As much as most of us will scoff at a lot of the emotion-driven sports journalism, that IS the game for whole other swaths of fandom.
Honestly, I couldn’t care less if a large portion of the NY sports media is filled with idiots who just want to write sensationalist articles. With the huge caveat that our management ignores it, of course.
by Jamesir Bensonmum on Dec 17, 2009 10:43 AM EST up reply actions
anyone here ever read a.j. liebling's boxing writing?
now this is a little silly because liebling is frickin god incarnate (of prose) but if you ever want to see how a good blow by blow narrative should be done… wow.
we all obviously agree that sabermetrics will never command the back page of the post. but things can get better in basically every category. there’s a lot to be said about this game, and almost none of it is said well.
by Pack Bringley on Dec 17, 2009 10:51 AM EST up reply actions
But it does make for the fun of FireJoeMorgan and Kissing Suzy Kolber et al
by Jamesir Bensonmum on Dec 17, 2009 10:54 AM EST up reply actions
If we ever run out of stuff to make fun of
It means we’ve died and gone to heaven or hell. Not sure which.
by Pack Bringley on Dec 17, 2009 10:59 AM EST up reply actions
A time for patience...
and a time for action. While its all well and good to be patient and save ~$10-15m in a deal to Lackey or Bay, there are times when you have to consider protecting your long term revenue stream (fans) above prudent negotiations of on field talent. Omar is asking the fans for patience – that worked after 2007, and to a lesser degree after 2008. It is not working now. If there was ever a time for a not-so rational big impact deal, now is it, and I think that is what the columnists were getting at. And I agree with them.
LOL
I have actually gotten a few emails to the blog of inquiries for Boras. The blog is just a commentary/analysis of Boras.
well you've captured his spirit, and around christmas-time too!
is it only the mets that you advise to make costly irrational deals to appease a fickle fan base who will hate you regardless (cuz you suck), or is it every team?
by Pack Bringley on Dec 17, 2009 10:44 AM EST up reply actions
I think a better way to say it...
The Mets can make a bigger impact with $20m by over-paying for a top FA now than they can by using that money through traditional marketing promotions.
Big impact deal like the putz deal?
"We have a plan, and our plan, I like our plan'
it's Omar's world, we're just livin in it.
Well, yes.
Remember that the Putz deal generated a lot of buzz that likely translated into revenue from ticket sales and merch. Its not all about player evaluation. Why do you think Depodesta didnt keep his job? Unsurprisingly, Minaya is ineffective at this aspect of the job as well, however.
Lol yeah I dig
Which is why I was surprised they didn’t at least put bids in on some of the pitchers so they could at least act like they made the effort for the papers/fans. And why I semi hope they don’t sign anyone big so that metsbloggers will riot and force a hostile take over.
"We have a plan, and our plan, I like our plan'
it's Omar's world, we're just livin in it.
The problem is,
do we really want a hostile takeover by the fans who are upset about a lack of back pages? Wouldn’t a hostile takeover just lead to an 8 year contract for Bay and a 10 year contract for Holiday?
I was also surprised that the Mets didn’t make a public offer for Lackey just to get in the news though… I’m also surprised that they aren’t floating out more trade scenarios to make it seem like Omar is working.
Well while they're storming with pitchforks and torches
we’ll sneak in the back and take over while the rest are fighting.
"We have a plan, and our plan, I like our plan'
it's Omar's world, we're just livin in it.
Buzz from the Putz deal that "likely translated into revenue"
Hmm. Got any way of isolating the financial impact of JJ Putz coming to the Mets in the 2009 season?
It really should be almost completely about player evaluation, at least as far as the front office goes. Let the ad-men do their work to sell the team; let the FO put a team on the field that people will want to watch because they are good at baseball.
"He's definitely mixing it into his repertoire. That's French for 'repertoire' " - Keith Hernandez
by Catsmeat Potter-Pirbright on Dec 17, 2009 2:50 PM EST up reply actions
Well in some cases I can see how it might make sense to overpay
to keep a player, like with Pujols and the Cards and Mauer and the Twins since those players are faces of the franchise. But I’d have a hard time believing the revenue generated from the Putz/K-rod signings outweighed the cost, both in dollars and in the cheap production we might have gotten from the players given up.
"We have a plan, and our plan, I like our plan'
it's Omar's world, we're just livin in it.
I mean sense financially to overpay for players like Mauer or Pujols
"We have a plan, and our plan, I like our plan'
it's Omar's world, we're just livin in it.
Yeah I should make that distinction
For example, I always liked the Pedro deal because of the notoriety it brought to the team, even though pretty much everyone knew that the Mets wouldn’t get four good years out of Pete. I just think the Putz deal is a pretty terrible example of a “splash”-type deal that gets butts in the seats.
So I recognize the need sometimes to overpay to get a name, but I don’t see this team being at that point. The Mets have David Wright, Johan Santana, Jose Reyes and Carlos Beltran. I mean, how much more star power do you need?
"He's definitely mixing it into his repertoire. That's French for 'repertoire' " - Keith Hernandez
by Catsmeat Potter-Pirbright on Dec 17, 2009 3:07 PM EST up reply actions
Good point, CPP, and ends the discussion.
Adding Putz as a revenue enhancing move? It’s a ludicrous idea when the Mets have, as you note, Beltran, Wright, Reyes, and Santana. Thie only thing you need to add to that kind of wattage is wins and postseason appearances.
by SeanSchirmer on Dec 19, 2009 2:39 AM EST up reply actions
Whatever, Boras-lover!
Winning games translates into revenue, too. Expensive players are gambles that can and often do backfire into disgruntled fans when they come to NY and don’t perform. Give me 9 guys with heart and grit who get paid the league minimum over 9 money-hungry mercenaries any day. Even if those 9 guys getting the league minimum have a losing record, I’ll root for them and likely buy season tickets (which would be much cheaper, by the way). Taking a 5 or 6 year, $20m/year risk by overpaying for a good but not amazing FA now is insane, and I applaud Minaya and the Wilpon’s for not caving into the crying fan base and irresponsible media. This year’s FA pool is weak, period.
Giving Bay 16.5 over 5 years
=’s not caving?
"We have a plan, and our plan, I like our plan'
it's Omar's world, we're just livin in it.
You're right.
It is. Bay’s not worth that money and he’s certainly not near a big enough name for the majority of fans to care one bit. If Putz was a big name, it’s only because of his name. Who in New York wouldn’t want to see a putz pitching? Maybe Ollie should change his last name. :-)
"Give me 9 guys with heart and grit "
Heh.
"He's definitely mixing it into his repertoire. That's French for 'repertoire' " - Keith Hernandez
by Catsmeat Potter-Pirbright on Dec 17, 2009 3:09 PM EST up reply actions
I'm not saying that over-paying FAs is always a good move
or that it always translates into a positive revenue transaction. I agree with the longer term approach. My point is that this is not a normal time. Three straight collapses and a one year descent from front runner to laughingstock presents an unusual situation, and one that needs to be managed by the front office. Handling that by simply asking for fans to be patient isnt going to cut it – this is a time where the short term splash may outweigh the long term liabilities, just to keep the fan base satiated.
But does it really end up outweighing long-term liabilites?
Do you think the Putz splash outweighed giving up all that cheap production? Considering the numbers Carp has put up in AAA and in his short major league stint, and our need for a bat/first basemen, vargas’s success as a cheap back end of the rotation answer, endy as a cheap outfielder, considering our massive need for outfielders, Joe Smith as a cheap bullpen option?
"We have a plan, and our plan, I like our plan'
it's Omar's world, we're just livin in it.
Dude
you should switch to watching minor league ball. dudes are poorer than me, and they suck! It’s great, I love it.
by Pack Bringley on Dec 17, 2009 5:16 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
what?
there is NEVER a type for a deal that isn’t rational. why make it if it’s stupid?
"I dunno. I never smoked any Astroturf"
-Tug McGraw
Well rational isn't exactly black and white
you can rationalize almost anything. There are times when making a deal that’s a major risk may make sense.
"We have a plan, and our plan, I like our plan'
it's Omar's world, we're just livin in it.
My point is rational/irrational isn't black and white
you can rationalize anything
"We have a plan, and our plan, I like our plan'
it's Omar's world, we're just livin in it.
Rational in terms of on field value
and rational in terms of P&L are not always driven by the same factors. Dont forget that the business of baseball – from the perspective of those writing the check – is about revenue, not win/loss records.
Well, by not winning the off season,
maybe we will win the real one.
you know what I'm sayin' ?
by fxcarden on Dec 17, 2009 10:52 AM EST reply actions 2 recs
I don't want to think about that right now. Remember when SI picked us to win the WS?
So, If we don’t win 2010, I’ll call it the fxcarden curse.
Well Done
Eric. As always.
I completely agree with you (does this scare you?).
Do not overpay
save to spend another day.
by Ed in Westchester on Dec 17, 2009 12:10 PM EST reply actions
re: the Mets are not in an "inescapable morass of woe"
maybe not, Mr Simon, but the Metz are certainly in something like a:
“difficult to leave sink-pit of not-so-happy”
“bewildering mirrored tunnel of irritability”
“ineluctable swamp of the crestfallen”
“un-exitable turnpike of NJ”
“inevitable quagmire of broken dreams”
or something of the sort.
They have money, they have options, and, goodness willing, they have some kind of plan.
And, they still have their health a lot of timemost of their fan base!!
I.M. Forme
"When you get yourself into trouble is when you feel you have to do something, and then you get yourself in trouble." --Omar Minaya
don't forget the befuddling wetlands of malcontent
by KeithsMoustache on Dec 17, 2009 5:12 PM EST up reply actions
Nah, that's the Meadowlands.
Flushing is more like
" festering sinkhole of nuclear waste "
you know what I'm sayin' ?
the meadowlands are home of the nets
I don’t think you can get more festering or nuclear waste like than them.
"We have a plan, and our plan, I like our plan'
it's Omar's world, we're just livin in it.
Remember, this is a weak off-season
Kind of like 2006 — remember Barry Zito? How glad are you now that the Mets didn’t sign Barry Zito?
The Halladay trade is not clearly good for the Phillies — they gave up a lot to get him.
Lackey is being vastly overpaid, by virtue of being tagged as the best free-agent pitcher available. He’s just not that good.
This is kind of a weak off-season
But it’s not likely future off-seasons are going to be much better with teams starting to lock up their young stars through their primes, or moving them for prospects to teams who can resign them. Of the guys under 30 expected to hit FA next season how many do you actually think won’t get either locked up by their current team or traded to a team who’s going to trade a boatload of prospects and not lock up the player they’re getting. Not to mention when the late 20 year olds do hit the Wilpons are going to have to be willing to meet their high demands, like Tex’s last year, for it to be any benefit to us.
"We have a plan, and our plan, I like our plan'
it's Omar's world, we're just livin in it.
That's something of a straw man argument, Eric.
It’s easy to go after tabloids for their nonsense but we don’t have to get in an uproar over the Mets inactivity this offseason or go all tabloid on the team to be aware that what moves the FO is making are, so far, all the wrong ones. Minaya’s apparently willing to go to five years for Bay, a DH in the NL, and is chasing a replacement level catcher (when you count age, baserunning, and defense) at a minimum offer of 2/10. Failing to seek a strong player for the infield and apparently being thoroughly unaware that this is essential given age and last year’s infirmities is another blunder.
Minaya also seems not to understand the rudiments of negotiations. When he says “you have to be careful about having too many offers out there” he demonstrates his inability to handle complex situations, and the inability to write contracts to protect yourself against multiple acceptances when that’s not what you want.
The Mets aren’t being cagey, they’re being outsmarted.
even if we were to concede they may have a plan
which imo is a major concession, couldn’t it very easily be a God awful plan?
"We have a plan, and our plan, I like our plan'
it's Omar's world, we're just livin in it.
I'm perfectly willing to concede the Mets have a God awful plan.
by SeanSchirmer on Dec 19, 2009 2:46 AM EST up reply actions
Aha. Proof!
From mlbtraderumors.com:
“Newsday’s Ken Davidoff said that (of all things) Bay’s long-ago stint in center field with Pittsburgh is the reason that New York rates him as a better defender than Matt Holliday.”
Now that’s a God awful plan!
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