Advanced Statistics Primers -- Updated
by James Kannengieser on Jan 9, 2010 10:13 AM EST
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Alex Remington of Big League Stew has been putting together a series of excellent posts about various advanced statistics, most of which are cited around here. Check them out:
Additionally, Steve Sommer and Erik Manning of the saber-friendly Cardinals blog Play A Hard Nine are maintaining a Saber 101 & Saber 102 primer, linked here. It's a great resource, no matter your level of familiarity with sabermetrics. Give all of these links a read and don't hesitate to ask questions in this or any thread.
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I never realized how simple the formula for FIP is.
You don't cheer for the Mets. You drink for the Mets.
I think its weakness is mainly that it ignores GB/LD/FB rates
And that it contradicts Willie Keller’s advice to “hit ‘em where they ain’t” because modern science tells us that is impossible.
Remember when we were promised a Top Prospects list?
And don’t even get me started on the Top 50 Mets of All Time, haha.
I kid, I kid.
"I dunno. I never smoked any Astroturf"
-Tug McGraw
Are you suggesting David Wright is the 40th greatest Met anymore?
"I see the job in bigger terms. Paperwork, that’s false hustle... Know what I’m sayin’?"
Its started back up again! #19 coming soon
We just did Gee last week! :)
"All energy flows according to the whims of the great magnet
What a fool I was to defy him"
-HST
by Mark Himmelstein on Jan 9, 2010 12:49 PM EST up reply actions
haha, i know. that comment was from early December.
I’m not the AA commenting champ for nothing.
John Olerud, Hall of Famer. Got a nice ring to it.
Ruth
This inspired me to look up some things. The most interesting:
Babe Ruth has the highest career BABIP for hitters with 1000 or more PA: .340
The pitcher with the lowest career BABIP (min 1000 IP)? Babe Ruth!, .246
by Brooklyn Tar Heels on Dec 18, 2009 4:39 PM EST reply actions
Maybe it’s because he always played for good teams. But that can’t explain it all.
by Brooklyn Tar Heels on Dec 18, 2009 4:41 PM EST up reply actions
The only logical conclusion...
is that Babe Ruth sucked, and was merely the luckiest player in the history of organized sports.
And I'll bet Stokes built it for him.
by BobbyV_Incognito on Dec 21, 2009 1:44 AM EST up reply actions
Who?
You mean Brain Socks?
"I see the job in bigger terms. Paperwork, that’s false hustle... Know what I’m sayin’?"
I was wrong
I guess I didn’t sort by the right stat- the highest career BABIP for hitters is actually Tom McCreery at .390, Ty Cobb 2nd with .378.
Once again, I am an idiot.
by Brooklyn Tar Heels on Dec 18, 2009 4:48 PM EST reply actions
that makes sense
quickness will lead to infield hits and raise BABIP
Tom McCreery had 3 inside-the-park HRs in one game, so it’s safe to conclude he was somewhat fast.
And BABIP breaks down for the real oldtimers since the outfield walls were like 900 feet away.
I'm still waiting for RBI/eRBI
RBIs produced / expected RBIs
this would also be known as ‘clutch factor’
'bout time
Been trying to figure out what you nerds have been talking about all this time, what with your BABIPs and your WPAs and such. Now I know. And, hey, you’re right; Jeff Francoeur really does blow. I get it now.
by Gobias Industries on Dec 18, 2009 6:22 PM EST reply actions
Combined with your awesome SN, I can get behind this post.
But be forewarned…this offer comes off the table at midnight.
"I dunno. I never smoked any Astroturf"
-Tug McGraw
this is all voodoo nonsense.
"I only wanted a few things out of life -- a wife, children, to play baseball and to hunt deer." - Turk Wendell
Agreed
This is for people who never played the game – on the field as opposed "fantasy baseball. So Chase Utley is more valuable than Albert Puljois based on their respective WAR ratings. LMAO.
"Never throw a slider to The Glider."
- Ed Charles, No. 5
Pretty sure Rey-O was sarcastic
But I don’t think you are. I can’t tell.
by James Kannengieser on Jan 9, 2010 1:18 PM EST up reply actions
Albert Pujols' career and single season (2009) WAR numbers are higher than Utley's, anyway...
"Blinding ignorance does mislead us. O! Wretched mortals, open your eyes!"
Gil Hodges IS a Hall of Famer.
by Brooklyn Dodgers Mets Fan on Jan 9, 2010 3:26 PM EST up reply actions
semi-sarcastic
Stats are important, but there’s a point where watching what a player does and does not do in certain situations against certain pitchers or hitters that stats can’t get it done. I just think that at times there’s an over-analysis based on this stats.
"Never throw a slider to The Glider."
- Ed Charles, No. 5
I think it's important to use stats and watching players to come to an informed opinion of players.
I also think not a single fan is qualified to watch a player and understand what they see the player doing, whether they’re getting a bad jump, taking a good route to a ball, etc on defense or if their is something wrong with a players swing on offense.
The Mets lobby Omar for a plan, and his plan, he likes his plan. The problem is that he didn't write his plan down 'cause that makes it paperwork, and that’s false hustle... Know what I’m sayin’?
Let me say this:
First, my statement was meant to apply to “the deciders” in our organization. People here like to site sabermetrics in support of arguments for why the Mets should, or shouldn’t, make certain baseball moves … either in in-game situations or with respect to player personnel decisions. I think that our top talent evaluators would be foolish to disregard their own instincts about how they evaluate a player and be guided instead solely by the sabermetrics on that player. I say this because the stats don’t account for the a lot of other issues which exist at the time. I’m not saying they can’t consider it, but in the end, I want them to trust there instincts. If baseball decisions were decided solely by stats, you or I could be manager or GM?
Second, as for fans being “qualified” to make evaluations of players … well, how convenient. So no “fan” can make an argument if it’s not supported by the sabermetrics? That’s no fun. There are explanations, sometimes, for why the stats are what they are.
And some fans are more qualified than others. I played baseball from age 11 until about 27. I got to play for a manager who pitched in the major leagues and played with and against some minor league talent, some that went as far as AAA. Does that make me a baseball genius? No, of course not.
"Never throw a slider to The Glider."
- Ed Charles, No. 5
Just a suggestion
maybe you guys should the 10 questions from Mike Silva to Tango. It is easily accesbile from the Steve Sommer link
"We're investigating the investigative procedure of the investigation of Tony Bernazard"---Omar Minaya (he really didn't say it but he would"
OPS+
Anything which uses OPS is not an advanced statistic. I think it’s time we started to discourage the use of OPS, it’s just not the best choice.
Right, with wOBA and RC+ now available
OPS and OPS+ are obsolete.
by vivaelpujols on Jan 10, 2010 12:33 AM EST up reply actions
OPS+ is still...
… not a terrible way to compare cross-era offensive production.
Not that it’s a GREAT way to do so, but…
by LeiterMilnerFasterStronger on Jan 10, 2010 11:21 PM EST up reply actions
What does it tell you that RC+ doesn't?
OPS+ doesn’t include steals and caught stealings and it mis-weights OBP and Slugging. It’s not like OPS+ and RC+ are two different stats that each have their gives and takes. RC+ is just better than OPS+ in EVERY SINGLE WAY..
by vivaelpujols on Jan 11, 2010 3:57 AM EST up reply actions
Thanks, James....
“That’s one to grow on!”
"We praise or blame as one or the other affords more opportunity for exhibiting our power of judgment." Friedrich Nietzsche, "Human,All Too Human" (1878)
fart the heck?
where the nards is the link for grission? answer me that mr computer stat face.
Lets hope that when gut check time comes again the Mets will pass it with flying colors.
grission factor
Frenchy was second (of course to our good ol buddy eckstein)
by wrightnumber5 on Jan 10, 2010 12:08 AM EST up reply actions
You guys should get out of your mother's basement
and actually watch the games
"We're investigating the investigative procedure of the investigation of Tony Bernazard"---Omar Minaya (he really didn't say it but he would"
LMAO
"Never throw a slider to The Glider."
- Ed Charles, No. 5
Stats? Stats!?
"Blinding ignorance does mislead us. O! Wretched mortals, open your eyes!"
Gil Hodges IS a Hall of Famer.
by Brooklyn Dodgers Mets Fan on Jan 11, 2010 5:05 PM EST reply actions
Why didn't the picture work? Try again?
"Blinding ignorance does mislead us. O! Wretched mortals, open your eyes!"
Gil Hodges IS a Hall of Famer.
by Brooklyn Dodgers Mets Fan on Jan 11, 2010 5:06 PM EST up reply actions
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