Milton Bradley traded for Carlos Silva
So what exactly would you be willing to send the Mariners to acquire Jack Zduriencik? This guy has been absolutely incredible since taking over the team.
about 2 years ago
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That will be a fun team to watch next year.
Too bad it’s not the Mets.
"He's definitely mixing it into his repertoire. That's French for 'repertoire' " - Keith Hernandez
by Catsmeat Potter-Pirbright on Dec 18, 2009 2:07 PM EST reply actions
I wanna trade with the Cubs!
"All energy flows according to the whims of the great magnet
What a fool I was to defy him"
-HST
by Mark Himmelstein on Dec 18, 2009 2:17 PM EST reply actions
Sure you do
But, with our luck, we end up sending Jose Reyes and $10 million to get Alfonso Soriano.
"He's definitely mixing it into his repertoire. That's French for 'repertoire' " - Keith Hernandez
by Catsmeat Potter-Pirbright on Dec 18, 2009 2:27 PM EST up reply actions
Seattle is def the team to beat in the West after this offseason.
Let’s see how the angles and rangers respond to these moves?
The Rangers don't really need to make a move
with all those prospects ready to explode out of their farm system they can probably afford to wait a year for the cheap production.
"We have a plan, and our plan, I like our plan'
it's Omar's world, we're just livin in it.
all 4 teams
have some reason to watch this year. The A’s have some talented young pitchers and prospects coming on, Anderson, Carter, etc.. Rangers have Feliz, Martin Perez, Smoak, Andrus. Mariners have done a great job with the D heavy guys, now Figgins, Bradley to add to the 1-2 of Hernandez and Cliff Lee (yeah, they seem like team to beat now, although their hitting is still shy somewhat it seems). Angels have contended for a while now, although they are losing some guys like Figgins and lackey.
That's why I really don't understand this Lowell trade.
He doesn’t really fill a need, and he’s not a long term piece.
"We're just as bad as the old Mets, but this time nobody's laughing"
-Dallas Green
by Stephen Schmidt on Dec 19, 2009 6:26 PM EST up reply actions
Anybody else wish they were a Mariners fan right about now
they’ve had a great offseason so far.
by KeithsMoustache on Dec 18, 2009 2:26 PM EST reply actions
Yeah but since we've lived through these seasons as mets fans when we do turn it around
it will make the champagne that much sweeter!
"We have a plan, and our plan, I like our plan'
it's Omar's world, we're just livin in it.
yup that it will
made it this far as mets fans, no turning back now.
by KeithsMoustache on Dec 18, 2009 2:43 PM EST up reply actions
that is what Wille Randolph said
on September 25, 2007.
Unless he get an offer from the Nippon Ham Fighters, I see him taking 4 years from the mets
by HotChipWillBreakYourLegs on Dec 18, 2009 3:41 PM EST up reply actions
Matt Holliday too
Asking a General Manager to slim down his budget is like asking an alcoholic to blow up a distillery.
by scott from peekskill on Dec 18, 2009 3:22 PM EST reply actions
Well Holliday still has the Cards
"We have a plan, and our plan, I like our plan'
it's Omar's world, we're just livin in it.
why not?
or why not in left?
"We have a plan, and our plan, I like our plan'
it's Omar's world, we're just livin in it.
He needs to play a game in center
so that Omar will value his defense more
"We're just as bad as the old Mets, but this time nobody's laughing"
-Dallas Green
by Stephen Schmidt on Dec 18, 2009 3:54 PM EST up reply actions
Wow, Chicago gets Silva
Silva sucks. HA!
----Warner----
-------13-------
by Scent of a Woman on Dec 18, 2009 3:25 PM EST reply actions
I was really hoping
Bradley would one day storm the SNY booth and get into it with the Gary and the guys. Ahh well…
keith would spank him
Asking a General Manager to slim down his budget is like asking an alcoholic to blow up a distillery.
by scott from peekskill on Dec 20, 2009 1:02 AM EST up reply actions
Baseball is about 'magic' or spending 420 million plus as the Yanks did in 2009 f/a
just thinking, in 1995 Seattle had; Jr., Randy Johnson, and A-fraud, E. Martinez, Buhner and no banners………………………think magic people…………………..three (3) sure fire hall of famers and no championships……………………………………………………
does chemistry matter that much?
"We're investigating the investigative procedure of the investigation of Tony Bernazard"---Omar Minaya (he really didn't say it but he would"
by firejerrynow on Dec 18, 2009 5:48 PM EST up reply actions
i think by chemistry
he means steroids
by KeithsMoustache on Dec 18, 2009 6:22 PM EST up reply actions
Didn't really help the early 2000 Dodgers.
"Blinding ignorance does mislead us. O! Wretched mortals, open your eyes!"
Gil Hodges IS a Hall of Famer.
by Brooklyn Dodgers Mets Fan on Dec 18, 2009 8:52 PM EST up reply actions
i didn't say it was a valid point
just trying to figure out what the point was
by KeithsMoustache on Dec 19, 2009 1:41 AM EST up reply actions
why the random dots?
"We're investigating the investigative procedure of the investigation of Tony Bernazard"---Omar Minaya (he really didn't say it but he would"
by firejerrynow on Dec 18, 2009 5:48 PM EST up reply actions
he's trying to create his own Cerrone "style"?
Beats me.
Somehow, a chain of events unfolded that put Steve Phillips in a professional broadcast booth Sunday night so he could rip Carlos Beltran. Try to explain that in any other terms.
by Greenpoint Ian on Dec 20, 2009 6:02 PM EST up reply actions
It hurt my eyes trying to read this.
You don't cheer for the Mets. You drink for the Mets.
Who wants to warm up the car?
I will start packing Luis Castillo’s bags. I just bought his plane ticket also, so no need to worry about that.
on delta?
then you’ll need to pay an extra baggage fee (a big one)
I.M. Forme
"When you get yourself into trouble is when you feel you have to do something, and then you get yourself in trouble." --Omar Minaya
by itsmetsforme on Dec 19, 2009 12:37 AM EST up reply actions
For the M's
its a vast upgrade for a guy who wasn’t gonna throw any innings for em next year
by MetsKnicksRutgers on Dec 18, 2009 4:18 PM EST up reply actions
They also have this position called the dh...
"We have a plan, and our plan, I like our plan'
it's Omar's world, we're just livin in it.
As far as bad contract swaps go
Bradley’s contract is much less bad than Silva’s.
"All energy flows according to the whims of the great magnet
What a fool I was to defy him"
-HST
by Mark Himmelstein on Dec 18, 2009 4:36 PM EST up reply actions
Bradley >>> Silva
Bradley is combustible and injury prone, but he also has a chance of playing well. Indeed, he was pretty amazing as recently as 2008. Silva is garbage.
do injuries from getting thrown to the ground by your own coaches
count towards an injury prone history?
by KeithsMoustache on Dec 18, 2009 5:28 PM EST up reply actions
Would you rather have a jerk
who at least has a chance to be productive for you?
Or
Somebody that has zero chance of helping you in any way making about the same amount?
by MetsKnicksRutgers on Dec 18, 2009 5:06 PM EST up reply actions
There's no way the Cubs would have been able to start the season with Bradley.
Still, I’m surprised the Cubs got literally nothing for him. Does anyone think Silva will still ever be an effective pitcher again?
by SeanSchirmer on Dec 19, 2009 5:39 AM EST up reply actions
Was Silva ever effective?
"We're investigating the investigative procedure of the investigation of Tony Bernazard"---Omar Minaya (he really didn't say it but he would"
by firejerrynow on Dec 19, 2009 5:51 AM EST up reply actions
what so you hate the black guy too?
"We're investigating the investigative procedure of the investigation of Tony Bernazard"---Omar Minaya (he really didn't say it but he would"
by firejerrynow on Dec 18, 2009 5:49 PM EST up reply actions
Easy now...he never said that.
Criticize him for dumb things he writes, but at least wait till he writes them. Bradley has a pretty bad reputation in the clubhouse, and it seems to be the reason the ubs want him gone.
"We're just as bad as the old Mets, but this time nobody's laughing"
-Dallas Green
by Stephen Schmidt on Dec 19, 2009 6:28 PM EST up reply actions
Carlos Silva? WTF?
Seriously, how does this guy have a job? Yeah Bradley is nuts, but anyone is better than Silva.
I can’t even imagine any trade conversation that begins with, “I’d be willing to part with Carlos Silva for the right price.”
Kudos to the M’s front office, and it just re-iterates how depressing it is we have the village idiot as our GM.
Not really
I would put Dayton Moore, Ned Colletti, Brian Sabean ahead of Omar in the village idiot category.
You know, I really do not think that the Cubs had a choice. Bradley had to go. Yes, he is talented, but he worked himself into an untenable situation with the customers (fans). The guy was sent home before the season ended. Lou wanted nothing to do with him either. They simply had no choice. At least they save $6M.
I don’t think that the Cubs had any other option. Pat Burrell would have been useful, but the Rays would have forced them to pay Bradley’s salary for the last year of the contract.
by Coolpapabell on Dec 18, 2009 10:06 PM EST up reply actions
I'd add Ed Wade to that list
And I’d say Kenny Williams is at least equal to Omar.
"We have a plan, and our plan, I like our plan'
it's Omar's world, we're just livin in it.
Good call
Don’t know how I managed to forget about that mastermind.
by Coolpapabell on Dec 18, 2009 11:08 PM EST up reply actions
Kenny Williams is a good GM. Why the hate?
by SeanSchirmer on Dec 19, 2009 5:43 AM EST up reply actions
He sold
very low on Javy and Nick
by MetsKnicksRutgers on Dec 19, 2009 10:32 AM EST up reply actions
he's decent
better than Omar.
But he’s not a “good” GM.
"I dunno. I never smoked any Astroturf"
-Tug McGraw
Cause I don't think he's a good gm
I really don’t see much that separates him from Omar. Other than getting lucky that a bunch of mediocre players have inexplicable career years at the same time.
"We have a plan, and our plan, I like our plan'
it's Omar's world, we're just livin in it.
I'd say he's BOLDER than Omar...
… but not necessarily better/savvier. If he had Omar’s budget/imprimatur, he’d look a lot more Minayan.
by LeiterMilnerFasterStronger on Dec 19, 2009 3:25 PM EST up reply actions
Not really.
He’s very aggressive, but I wouldn’t call him good. He benifits from being in the worst division in the AL and having a big budget. He has one of the worst farm systems in all of baseball, and his trades to restock it have been fairly awful.
"We're just as bad as the old Mets, but this time nobody's laughing"
-Dallas Green
by Stephen Schmidt on Dec 19, 2009 6:31 PM EST up reply actions
I hate to say, Count the Ring, but the pitching and defense
team he put together in 2004 bore fruit in 2005. It was a good plan, well executed. Sure he had some luck, but every team except the 1927 Yankees need some measure of luck to win the Series. I’d never argue that Kenny is the top GM in the game, and especially early on he made some boneheaded moves, but he gives the White sox every chance to win, whereas a clown like Omar gives the Mets every opportunity to lose, undermining a strong club with antiques like Julio Franco at 1b, insisting on playing Moises Alou without a strong back up plan, and so on.
Give the White Sox the Mets’ payroll and they’d be a perennial powerhouse. Not Theo and Boston good, but damned good.
by SeanSchirmer on Dec 21, 2009 1:41 AM EST up reply actions
I'm not at all sure this is a good move for the M's
and it wouldn’t surprise me if Z turned around and moved Bradley for a useful spare part. Why would you want to start your tenure with a team by bringing in the ML’s biggest headcase? This doesn’t fit in at all with the Mariners’ other moves.
by SeanSchirmer on Dec 19, 2009 5:42 AM EST up reply actions
cause silva sucks and is owed a lot of money
and bradley has been a near all-star worthy player as recently as 2008 and they need a DH?
"We have a plan, and our plan, I like our plan'
it's Omar's world, we're just livin in it.
Yeah, that's it, Gina.
No—bringing the biggest ******* in the game into your clubhouse isn’t a high-risk move?
But you’re selling Bradley short. His 2008 season with a 999 OPS+ isn’t an all-star season, it’s a HOF season. Put five of those in a row and while you’re a little short on PAs it’s a HOF-type peak.
I just wouldn’t want him in my clubhouse. On the other hand, if Bradley starts causing real problems and the Mariners are smart enough to cut him before things get out of hand then, yes, this could be a good move.
What’s the back up plan, though? Griffey as the regular DH? That’s not much of a Plan B.
by SeanSchirmer on Dec 21, 2009 1:45 AM EST up reply actions
In other words, if the Mariners on betting their season on Bradley they're in serious trouble,
but from what we’ve seen from them so far they have a good chance of getting this one right. Doesn’t mean I like it, though…
by SeanSchirmer on Dec 21, 2009 1:55 AM EST up reply actions
I just logged on to the site for the sole purpose of
demanding that we find a way to package Omar, the rest of his people, and maybe a prospect or two for Zduriencik
We'd have to throw in Wright and his bloated contract
by BobbyV_Incognito on Dec 18, 2009 11:14 PM EST up reply actions
In all seriousness
would that be worth it? Trading one of Reyes/Wright, or even both, for a gm like Zduriencik or Friedman or Epstein?
"We have a plan, and our plan, I like our plan'
it's Omar's world, we're just livin in it.
Absolutely
Not. Throw in Longoria for Wright………….I can’t believe I even entertained the thought. I will answer for this someday.
by Coolpapabell on Dec 18, 2009 11:21 PM EST up reply actions
You mean when Omar gets that ten year extension?
And lets Reyes walk because he hates baseball and trades David Wright for Derek Jeter cause he wants to bring a winning attitude to Flushing?
"We have a plan, and our plan, I like our plan'
it's Omar's world, we're just livin in it.
Yeah I was joking
"We have a plan, and our plan, I like our plan'
it's Omar's world, we're just livin in it.
Although I do legitimately worry about Reyes
when his contract runs out
"We have a plan, and our plan, I like our plan'
it's Omar's world, we're just livin in it.
YES!
If that was the only way to get rid of Omar. It’s the only way to build a winning team.
by SeanSchirmer on Dec 19, 2009 5:45 AM EST up reply actions
As a nets fan
I’d be willing to throw in the entire franchise, to replace to the sonics, as part of the package as well.
"We have a plan, and our plan, I like our plan'
it's Omar's world, we're just livin in it.
Its beyond me
How you are a Nets fan. I was not aware they even had a fan base :-) You at least better be from Jersey. You like to suffer, why not be a Knicks fan. Plenty of it to go around at MSG.
by Coolpapabell on Dec 18, 2009 11:23 PM EST up reply actions
Nets fans suffer more, trust me.
You know how bad it is for us? We don’t even have a site on SBN. That’s right, there isn’t even a Nets fan site here.
by BobbyV_Incognito on Dec 18, 2009 11:27 PM EST up reply actions
The d-league
and the WNBA have blogs.
but no nets =/
"We have a plan, and our plan, I like our plan'
it's Omar's world, we're just livin in it.
The original Nets logo
"Never throw a slider to The Glider."
- Ed Charles, No. 5
agreed
we should start a nets site.
it’d be kinda like one of those womens soap oprah blogs
Self-proclaimed president of the Pat White and Brian Hartline fan club.
No hating on Jay Fiedler, please.
Official Back-Up Phinsider LOL'er.
The one and only "ho-nerd"
I dunno
I’d take the last decade from the Nets over the last decade from the Knicks.
Plus, shady billionaire Russian owner has got to be better than the Dolans (and Ratner).
Somehow, a chain of events unfolded that put Steve Phillips in a professional broadcast booth Sunday night so he could rip Carlos Beltran. Try to explain that in any other terms.
by Greenpoint Ian on Dec 20, 2009 6:04 PM EST up reply actions
Nope my family immigrated to queens in the late 60s
and then moved to Long Island the same year the nets traded for Erving. So they were basically jumping on two bandwagons, the mets in 69 and the ABA championship the nets won with
funny how thats turned out for them 40 years later.
"We have a plan, and our plan, I like our plan'
it's Omar's world, we're just livin in it.
Wow
Long and suffering. Well, at least have given your family something to smile about in the 80’s and late 90’s.
I actually would pull for the Nets from time to time, all the while suffering through the tryanical rule of MJ on the NBA and the Knicks. Petrovick was my favorite on NBA live. I soured on them once Jason Kidd and co. used to go into the garden whip us all the while rubbing it in our face. I felt like they were taunting a special needs kid. There was no need. We sucked-still do but not nearly as bad- everyone knew it, why bother taunting?
by Coolpapabell on Dec 18, 2009 11:43 PM EST up reply actions
Now watching nets-knicks games
reminds me of the cripple fight from southpark.
"We have a plan, and our plan, I like our plan'
it's Omar's world, we're just livin in it.
Those were the days.
BTW, which one is you in this photo:
"Never throw a slider to The Glider."
- Ed Charles, No. 5
Lol I wasn't even a fetus then
"We have a plan, and our plan, I like our plan'
it's Omar's world, we're just livin in it.
I hope they didn't also jump on the Islanders bandwagon.
Somehow, a chain of events unfolded that put Steve Phillips in a professional broadcast booth Sunday night so he could rip Carlos Beltran. Try to explain that in any other terms.
by Greenpoint Ian on Dec 20, 2009 6:05 PM EST up reply actions
Lol they don't understand/appreciate hockey or american football
so just the nets & mets
"We have a plan, and our plan, I like our plan'
it's Omar's world, we're just livin in it.
Is Matt Holliday overrated?
Got these stats from a poster on BMF.
In 1352 ABs at Coors Field, he hit .333 with 84 HRs and 307RBIs…
In 1884 ABs away from Coors (that’s 531 more ABs) he has hit only .290 with 68 HRs and 285RBIs
Basically, that equals 1HR for every 16ABs at Coors and 1HR for every 28ABs away from Coors. That means that by following his career, in a 600AB season, Holliday is only good for 21HRs and 100RBIs away from Coors! That falls to even factor in what Citi Fields monster gaps.
"Never throw a slider to The Glider."
- Ed Charles, No. 5
That's also only factoring in offense.
And, not for nothing, but one home run on average every 28 ABs isn’t all that shabby.
"Blinding ignorance does mislead us. O! Wretched mortals, open your eyes!"
Gil Hodges IS a Hall of Famer.
by Brooklyn Dodgers Mets Fan on Dec 19, 2009 1:20 PM EST up reply actions
Also, didn't this come up in another thread?
It looks like rockies players away from Coors are at a distinct disadvantage, since they have to adjust to pitch movement for the first game or two (or more) of every away series. If you drop the first 2 games after every Coors stint, I think his numbers level out significantly…
What's BMF
Also this topic has been beaten to death.
by James Kannengieser on Dec 21, 2009 11:52 AM EST up reply actions
totally unrelated to anything else in here but it doesn't deserve its own post
does anyone else find themselves constantly typing out santana when they’re trying to type santa?
"We have a plan, and our plan, I like our plan'
it's Omar's world, we're just livin in it.
LOL ...
no.
"Never throw a slider to The Glider."
- Ed Charles, No. 5
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