Yankees In Serious Talks For Javier Vazquez
So Tweets Ken Rosenthal (among others). Braves would get Melky Cabrera and possibly a minor-league pitcher.
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Part of me is infuriated that the Yankees got significantly better while only giving up a terrible OF
Another part of me is happy that he’s out of our division.
He had a 1.4 WAR last year
Livan had a 1.7 WAR last year, for some perspective.
Cabrera is perhaps not terrible, but he isn’t good, and he’s certainly not worth Javier Vasquez.
Melky is average
which is an undervalued commodity, but Vasquez is great. Bad trade for the Braves.
The Mets lobby Omar for a plan, and his plan, he likes his plan. The problem is that he didn't write his plan down 'cause that makes it paperwork, and that’s false hustle... Know what I’m sayin’?
They also got a pretty strong pitching prospect
And if they can’t afford Vazquez then an average player under team control is pretty valuable to them.
"We have a plan, and our plan, I like our plan'
it's Omar's world, we're just livin in it.
He's a nice enough prospect, but Javy would have net them 2 picks when he left at the end of the year.
I’d think the Braves should have been able to acquire something much closer to ML ready for Vazquez.
"We're just as bad as the old Mets, but this time nobody's laughing"
-Dallas Green
by Stephen Schmidt on Dec 22, 2009 3:17 PM EST up reply actions
Yeah but if they can't afford his salary
then they just plain can’t afford it. And I think the problem is a lot of the teams that don’t buy into the “Javy’s not clutch” crap might not have been able to take on the salary or had interest.
"We have a plan, and our plan, I like our plan'
it's Omar's world, we're just livin in it.
Then giving away their first round pick and paying Wags 7 million was a pretty dumb idea.
Vazquez is worth more than Wags no matter how you look at it.
"We're just as bad as the old Mets, but this time nobody's laughing"
-Dallas Green
by Stephen Schmidt on Dec 22, 2009 3:45 PM EST up reply actions
Yeah I forgot about the Wagner signing
I can’t say I understand at all.
"We have a plan, and our plan, I like our plan'
it's Omar's world, we're just livin in it.
So their rotation would be:
Sabathia, Vazquez, Burnett, Pettitte, and Hughes, I guess?
Glad they’re not in our division.
"He's definitely mixing it into his repertoire. That's French for 'repertoire' " - Keith Hernandez
by Catsmeat Potter-Pirbright on Dec 22, 2009 9:49 AM EST reply actions
This is a pretty poor package
For a good pitcher. Any rumor who the prospect is? I mean really getting Vasquez for Melky is amazing. Glad we get to face him now instead of Vasquez but really the Braves are getting hosed here. No one else could match that package?
Cabrera and Mike Dunn
according to Heyman, and they also get Boone Logan. Anyone else would have been willing to give up Pagan and a prospect to get him?
But they traded Jeff Francoeur! THE Jeff Francoeur!
"Blinding ignorance does mislead us. O! Wretched mortals, open your eyes!"
Gil Hodges IS a Hall of Famer.
by Brooklyn Dodgers Mets Fan on Dec 22, 2009 5:44 PM EST up reply actions
LOL
But Syler’s right.
"Never throw a slider to The Glider."
- Ed Charles, No. 5
Some Yankee fans on LoHud blog are actually complaining, saying this was a bad deal for them
Just incredible
I was just about to make a similar comment
Many of my friends who are Yankee fans absolutely HATE this deal because “Vazquez proved he couldn’t pitch in New York” back in 2004.
"He's definitely mixing it into his repertoire. That's French for 'repertoire' " - Keith Hernandez
by Catsmeat Potter-Pirbright on Dec 22, 2009 10:57 AM EST up reply actions
Some Yankee fans also don't know much about baseball. Case in point.
"Blinding ignorance does mislead us. O! Wretched mortals, open your eyes!"
Gil Hodges IS a Hall of Famer.
by Brooklyn Dodgers Mets Fan on Dec 22, 2009 5:45 PM EST up reply actions
Anybody think that the Braves are trying to get in
on Bay or Holliday now that they moved some salary?
The best would be it the
Braves swoop in and sign Bay then Omar is forced into action and signs Holliday. If it goes the other way around I’ll be pissed
Pardon my language,
but what the fuck? Why is everyone (ok, only the Tigers and the Braves) trading their good players to the Yankees for crap?
because the entire league is the Yankee farm system, didn't you know?
That’s why the Pirates annually funnel their best players to the Yanks mid-season
So basically it's the 1940s and 50s all over again
As annoying as it is to watch this go down, this is really not much different than it was back then as the Yanks used to just grab every promising young talent from the dreks of the league like the Browns and the A’s.
and the arms (and legs) race with the Sawx
is just heating up
I.M. Forme
"When you get yourself into trouble is when you feel you have to do something, and then you get yourself in trouble." --Omar Minaya
by itsmetsforme on Dec 22, 2009 12:27 PM EST up reply actions
Good deal for us
if the Braves don’t use the salary dumped to vastly improve and if the Yanks don’t beat us to Bay or Halladay.
So, probably a terrible deal for us.
by Jamesir Bensonmum on Dec 22, 2009 11:08 AM EST reply actions
Time for a hard salary cap
Wankees are going to have a $250million payroll this season. This is ridiculous.
Asking a General Manager to slim down his budget is like asking an alcoholic to blow up a distillery.
by scott from peekskill on Dec 22, 2009 11:32 AM EST reply actions
No
Just the Mets and the Braves. I’d give Philadelphia and Florida’s front offices a B+ and A-, respectively, and the Nationals new regime gets an incomplete for now.
So maybe the Mets can finish 2nd (albeit 15 games behind the Phillies) since the Braves apparently consider a Cy Young contender to be worth a 4th outfielder.
Somehow, a chain of events unfolded that put Steve Phillips in a professional broadcast booth Sunday night so he could rip Carlos Beltran. Try to explain that in any other terms.
by Greenpoint Ian on Dec 22, 2009 11:48 AM EST up reply actions
I don't see how the Braves are bad
They traded crap for Vazquez to begin with. I don’t see what other bad moves they’ve made.
"We have a plan, and our plan, I like our plan'
it's Omar's world, we're just livin in it.
don't remind me
The Braves traded far less to get Vazquez than the Mets did to get JJ Putz.
Somehow, a chain of events unfolded that put Steve Phillips in a professional broadcast booth Sunday night so he could rip Carlos Beltran. Try to explain that in any other terms.
by Greenpoint Ian on Dec 22, 2009 1:23 PM EST up reply actions
Wren's made some bad ones.
Texiera and his 2 picks for Kotchman comes to mind. The Lowe signing wasn’t very good either. Both Vazquez trades and the McLouth trade will be tough to judge for another year or two, so I’d give him an incomplete for now.
"We're just as bad as the old Mets, but this time nobody's laughing"
-Dallas Green
by Stephen Schmidt on Dec 22, 2009 3:21 PM EST up reply actions
Maybe it's my irrational hatred of Glavine
But giving up a first-rounder to sign that clown should also qualify.
Although that might have been a business decision to bring him back and not been Wren’s call.
by Bieser's Balk on Dec 22, 2009 3:31 PM EST up reply actions
Yeah the Tex trade was downright awful especially
when you consider what they gave up for him. I don’t think the Lowe deal was that bad though and I think the McClouth trade was pretty even.
"We have a plan, and our plan, I like our plan'
it's Omar's world, we're just livin in it.
Although in their defense from what I understans
I live in go’ga/nc so I hear about as much about the braves front office as I do the mets, they’re original plan was to trade for Tex and then if they couldn’t resign him/weren’t in contention flip him and use the prospect they gained to trade for Bay, who would have been under team control cheaply for 1.5 years, but when the economy collapsed the market for Tex sort of collapsed with it. Why they didnt collect the draft picks I’m not sure, I imagine because, kotchman projected to at least be an average player for a pretty cheap price and they got back a decent relief prospect I think and there was no guarantee they’d get a first and a sandwhich pick depending on where tex signed.
"We have a plan, and our plan, I like our plan'
it's Omar's world, we're just livin in it.
Phillies are actually pretty terrible at this point
The Braves’ trade got them more than the Phillies’ Lee trade did.
"I dunno. I never smoked any Astroturf"
-Tug McGraw
I think the Lee package was quite a bit better, but Lee was far more valuable.
"We're just as bad as the old Mets, but this time nobody's laughing"
-Dallas Green
by Stephen Schmidt on Dec 22, 2009 3:22 PM EST up reply actions
but the Phillies also traded like 5 good prospects
"I dunno. I never smoked any Astroturf"
-Tug McGraw
the real problem is
that this deal puts the yankees back into the market for a left fielder. i’d love to think they’re just gonna bring johnny damon back, but if they go for Bay or Holiday, jeez. imagine winning the world series and then bringing in granderson, bay/holiday, vazquez…and giving up practically nothing? remarkable.
"I only wanted a few things out of life -- a wife, children, to play baseball and to hunt deer." - Turk Wendell
Please sign Bay....
"We're just as bad as the old Mets, but this time nobody's laughing"
-Dallas Green
by Stephen Schmidt on Dec 22, 2009 3:22 PM EST up reply actions
Braves fan here
I wanna hit something.
Okay, I’ll leave now. It’s not so much our rotation is weak — Hudson, Hanson, Jurrjens, Lowe, Kawakami is solid — it’s that we didnt get anything for Javy.
I used to like Frank Wren...not anymore. I want John Schierholz back!
Smart GMs like Cashman
don’t just restrict themselves to FA’s or players who are explicitly on the trading block. Instead, they find good players who may be undervalued, or blocked, or a bad fit, and creatively make things happen.
Omar doesn’t seem to be in on anyone that isn’t written about in every tabloid and publicly announced to be available (Molina, Bay, etc).
I guess Cora, Dessens, and Coste were exceptions — he was surprisingly aggressive there.
Yankee fans on facebook are all complaining about this
man, they are never satisfied, and pretty ignorant. This is such a one-sided deal
Their #2 prospect
according to Goldstein.
But yeah, Yankees fans feel they should have an all-star at every position and still keep all of their overhyped prospects.
They only have one OMFG prospect, Montero
and the rest are a bunch of overrated depth and/or soft projection.
"I dunno. I never smoked any Astroturf"
-Tug McGraw
He was pitching at 18 in the NY Penn league.
He may be decent, but it’s still 50/50 if he even makes it to the majors, much less has a decent career.
"We're just as bad as the old Mets, but this time nobody's laughing"
-Dallas Green
by Stephen Schmidt on Dec 22, 2009 6:23 PM EST up reply actions
Watch them sign Chapman to replace Vizcaino
and have a top pitching prospect again.
The Mets lobby Omar for a plan, and his plan, he likes his plan. The problem is that he didn't write his plan down 'cause that makes it paperwork, and that’s false hustle... Know what I’m sayin’?
ugh
but we got R.A Dickey, so it’s all good
"We have a plan, and our plan, I like our plan'
it's Omar's world, we're just livin in it.
Oh thank God
I was getting worried we weren’t gonna make a splash this offseason.
The Mets lobby Omar for a plan, and his plan, he likes his plan. The problem is that he didn't write his plan down 'cause that makes it paperwork, and that’s false hustle... Know what I’m sayin’?
If Melky is all it took
Couldn’t we have offered Pagan and a couple prospects? Not that they would trade with us, but still.
I'm not sure I understand this from the Braves point
I think they’re getting a decent package but unless they’re financially stretched I’m not sure I see why it’s necessary, but I like that while we’re chasing a DH that doesn’t want us and trying to make trades for Gary Matthews II the Yankees have basically traded about as much as we gave up for Putz to get Granderson and Vazquez.
"We have a plan, and our plan, I like our plan'
it's Omar's world, we're just livin in it.
Dave Cameron likes the deal for both sides
The Yankees are going to win 130 games this year, I’m actually hoping they win another world series, maybe then the backpages will put some pressure on the Wilpons to reevaluate their front office choices.
"We have a plan, and our plan, I like our plan'
it's Omar's world, we're just livin in it.
Seriously, what a ridiculous team
They were the best team in baseball, by a significant margin, and they add Curtis Granderson and Javier Vasquez? Are you freaking kidding me?
"All energy flows according to the whims of the great magnet
What a fool I was to defy him"
-HST
by Mark Himmelstein on Dec 22, 2009 2:15 PM EST up reply actions
But without Brian Bruney, they surely have no chance
And don’t forget World Series MVP Hideki Matsui. They’ll be lucky to sniff 80 wins without those two.
Of course I mean 80 wins by the All-Star break.
If I ever start twittering
I’m totally trolling Cerrone and referring to myself in the third person, saying things like “The Meddler says Jerry Manuel’s Buddy Holly glasses piss him off”
"All energy flows according to the whims of the great magnet
What a fool I was to defy him"
-HST
by Mark Himmelstein on Dec 22, 2009 3:06 PM EST up reply actions
Didn't even notice!
Congrats Medd… I mean Mark. Now finish the top prospect list!!!!
The Mets lobby Omar for a plan, and his plan, he likes his plan. The problem is that he didn't write his plan down 'cause that makes it paperwork, and that’s false hustle... Know what I’m sayin’?
:), thanks, and yessir
No more finals means, more prospect stuffz on the way.
"All energy flows according to the whims of the great magnet
What a fool I was to defy him"
-HST
by Mark Himmelstein on Dec 22, 2009 3:08 PM EST up reply actions
SB needs a like button so I can like this
"We have a plan, and our plan, I like our plan'
it's Omar's world, we're just livin in it.
All this is leading up to one end
Salary cap! Hey, if anything, the Yankees might be called the “city dump”, with many teams trading, or “salary dumping” their overpriced players to the Yankees! In a few years, they’ll have a $500 million payroll! And like 125 regular-season wins.
The “Evil Empire” just got stronger, and soon, the salary dump/cap crisis will commence. Another baseball strike is almost inevitable, at this point.
Hell, why not make the Steinbrenners the commissioners of baseball, while they’re at it!? Sheesh!
"The picture looked like I was in the dugout, but they got it all wrong. I absolutely was never in the dugout."
- Mr. B.V. Incognito
The Players Union will never agree to a salary cap why would they strike?
And really a salary cap would be a nightmare for us, do you really wanna have to compete with the smarter front offices in the NL without having like an 80 million dollar advantage? Considering how much of a mess we make of it with the advantage.
"We have a plan, and our plan, I like our plan'
it's Omar's world, we're just livin in it.
It would be bad for us, indeed
However, if it gets bad enough that the Yankees can prove beyond a reasonable doubt that the baseball season could be essentially “owned”, motions for a grievance could realistically follow in the worst-case scenario, on the part of lower budget teams. In a post on Aroldis Chapman by a Yankee fan nearly 6 months ago, the editor brought up this point, and I’ve followed up on it. It probably won’t happen over the next 5-10 years, but exponential growth has a way of throwing a wrench much like a curveball.
If anything, the players union will be under siege, and Donald Fehr might sweat bullets. But, who knows? I could be wrong, hopefully.
Scott Boras is, ultimately, bad for baseball
"The picture looked like I was in the dugout, but they got it all wrong. I absolutely was never in the dugout."
- Mr. B.V. Incognito
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