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Add DeRosa, a lefty RP and resign DelGado that is it!


The Mets are doing exactly what they should be - staying pat.  Let's face it this is a weak FA year and the Mets have a lot of question marks.  The best risk/reward decision for the Mets is to make minimal moves and hope that Beltran, Reyes and Wright come back to form.  Yes, they have a weak bottom of the lineup, but if we are honest the Mets are a long shot to compete this year.  Why add an overpriced, McReynolds-like Bay or Holliday to the mix?

I say just get DeRosa and a lefty RP. DeRosa provides a lot of flexibility and is a good clubhouse influence.  The Mets need a second lefty reliever and there are a couple that are reasonable and finally resign DelGado because the Mets need some lefty lineup balance.

With these moves the Mets could put out a decent lineup of:

Reyes, Murphy (2B / LF), Beltran, Wright, Delgado, Frenchy, DeRosa (LF / 2B), Santos

DeRosa could also play 1B in case Delgado has some injuries or the Mets need to give him a breather (figure he will play 100 to 120 games).  Maybe flip DeRosa and Murphy to get some more balance in the lineup.

The Mets bench would also be decent with: Castillo (S), Pagan (S), Blanco (R), Cora (L), Evans (R)

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Okay, amongst the problems in this plan of yours, I found two in this one sentece.
DeRosa provides a lot of flexibility and is a good clubhouse influence.

1. Sucking at multiple positions does not equal flexibility
2. (and this should be a general rule) When you, anyone, says “good clubhouse influence,” or anything similar, relating to a player, you have to back it up with at quotes from players or managers said player has been on a team with. I can just as easily say Mark DeRosa is a clubhouse cancer. I mean, how else can you explain a team with the best player, the best left fielder, and two of the best starters last year not getting out of the first round of the playoffs? Yeah, I just blew your collective minds.

The Mets lobby Omar for a plan, and his plan, he likes his plan. The problem is that he didn't write his plan down 'cause that makes it paperwork, and that’s false hustle... Know what I’m sayin’?

by Evan_S on Dec 22, 2009 10:20 PM EST reply actions  

Exactly. I've said the same thing about Alex Cora, when his beneficial intangibles are cited.

When Jose Reyes was healthy and involved in the game more, the Mets won more often. When Alex Cora was filling in, the Mets won less often. Either his intangibles have no affect on games whatsoever, making it an inconsequential “stat”, or his intangibles do have an affect on the game, but they have a negative effect, and are bad for the team.

"Blinding ignorance does mislead us. O! Wretched mortals, open your eyes!"
Gil Hodges IS a Hall of Famer.

by Brooklyn Dodgers Mets Fan on Dec 22, 2009 11:44 PM EST up reply actions  

They have a positive affect on the game

as long as he doesn’t ever have to actually take the field, then his play completely negates them.

"We have a plan, and our plan, I like our plan'

it's Omar's world, we're just livin in it.

by Gina on Dec 23, 2009 4:10 AM EST up reply actions  

Baseball God's and short series

It’s more important to squeeze the ball than to have good character if your trying to win a world series but I’m not crying for the Cards cause if Green (or endy who should have been out there) catches Spezio’s (now this man has character) triple in game 2, we go to the Series but twenty years before if, well you know…

by t agee on Dec 23, 2009 9:15 PM EST up reply actions  

Murphy needs to figure out how to play second base, first of all. And left field, partially.

"Blinding ignorance does mislead us. O! Wretched mortals, open your eyes!"
Gil Hodges IS a Hall of Famer.

by Brooklyn Dodgers Mets Fan on Dec 22, 2009 11:41 PM EST up reply actions  

I believe he came up as a 2b did he not. Give him a shot if they don't sign a good defensive 2b.

Asking a General Manager to slim down his budget is like asking an alcoholic to blow up a distillery.

by scott from peekskill on Dec 23, 2009 10:11 PM EST up reply actions  

No he came up as a 3rd basemen

he played a few games at 2nd in the minors and in one of the winter leagues

"We have a plan, and our plan, I like our plan'

it's Omar's world, we're just livin in it.

by Gina on Dec 23, 2009 10:15 PM EST up reply actions  

So, is this another AAOP?

If so, that means I still have time to submit mine.

"He's definitely mixing it into his repertoire. That's French for 'repertoire' " - Keith Hernandez

by Catsmeat Potter-Pirbright on Dec 22, 2009 10:55 PM EST reply actions  

Harsh but fair, James.

I respect your judgment.

"He's definitely mixing it into his repertoire. That's French for 'repertoire' " - Keith Hernandez

by Catsmeat Potter-Pirbright on Dec 22, 2009 11:54 PM EST up reply actions  

I'll repackage now :(

The warning that came with my piece of Shea said that it may cause cancer and/or birth defects so it’s not that big of a loss, I guess.

The Mets lobby Omar for a plan, and his plan, he likes his plan. The problem is that he didn't write his plan down 'cause that makes it paperwork, and that’s false hustle... Know what I’m sayin’?

by Evan_S on Dec 23, 2009 12:32 AM EST up reply actions  

Here is a good clubhouse guy for you!

Before posting replies, do your homework. I assume people posting have a good knowledge of the facts, but since mine came into question here it is:

But he also said it would be prudent to consider bringing back Mark DeRosa, who left a void in the clubhouse when he was traded to the Indians last winter.
"I love Mark as a player, a person, a clubhouse guy," Lilly said. "I could say he’s probably the best teammate I’ve ever had. All around, he really cares a great deal about everybody, and that’s the kind of person he is. I think he also leads by example — the way he plays. He’s a special individual." chicagotribune.com.

Now, to the person who said the Mets would be lucky to win 80 games – thank you. If that is the case then the Mets’ question marks are primarily positively answered and nearing the trade deadline may be in a position to consider a trade to get them in the hunt.

As for Murphy, I concede that 2B or LF is not ideal, but the team needs more pop. If this truly isn’t an option then pass on DelGado, put Murphy at 1B and play Pagan in LF and DeRosa at 2B. Actually, this may be a better option.

I re-iterate that Bay or Holliday are NOT the answer. Either will just keep this franchise in the second tier for years to come.

Hope for a respectable year and then get in the bidding for Lee, Beckett, Crawford, VMart, Mauer next year.

by jpoppejr on Dec 22, 2009 11:53 PM EST reply actions  

Question:

Why do you keep capitalizing the letter ‘g’ in “Delgado”?

"He's definitely mixing it into his repertoire. That's French for 'repertoire' " - Keith Hernandez

by Catsmeat Potter-Pirbright on Dec 23, 2009 12:14 AM EST up reply actions  

Carlos of Cat?

I always sensed there was a feline aura about him.

The Mets lobby Omar for a plan, and his plan, he likes his plan. The problem is that he didn't write his plan down 'cause that makes it paperwork, and that’s false hustle... Know what I’m sayin’?

by Evan_S on Dec 23, 2009 12:34 AM EST up reply actions  

Samkon Gado?

Gado-gado? Or is Carlos from a Brazilian steakhouse in San Diego, which strikes me as more of a Mo Vaughn thing?

by BobbyV_Incognito on Dec 23, 2009 2:14 AM EST up reply actions  

Homage to the Big Cat - Andreas

At least one reader caught it – and yes I know the spelling is Gato for cat before someone comments.

by jpoppejr on Dec 23, 2009 5:56 AM EST up reply actions  

Thanks for the quote. That is nice to hear about a player, but it doesn't equal success.

The Mets lobby Omar for a plan, and his plan, he likes his plan. The problem is that he didn't write his plan down 'cause that makes it paperwork, and that’s false hustle... Know what I’m sayin’?

by Evan_S on Dec 23, 2009 12:37 AM EST up reply actions  

Not to mention,

has any player ever gone on record talking about how much the entire team hated Player X after he left? Even with Barry Bonds, no one would come right out and say that they utterly despised him.

by BobbyV_Incognito on Dec 23, 2009 2:08 AM EST up reply actions  

I can't take seriously that you said that, specifically, Holliday is not the answer, and will keep the organization in the 'second tier' during his tenure (presumably).

Can a guy who’s averaged a WAR of 4.8 over his six years in the Major Leagues really make the team somehow worse (presuming, of course, that his contract is not as highly inflated, both monetarily and length-wise- and, by all accounts, both factors have been declining at a steady rate since before he first went on the market).

And, on Ted Lilly liking DeRosa. That is nice that he does, but how do we know Lilly isn’t weird or something like that, and that his opinion can’t necessarily be thought of as especially prevalent, or mainstream? Not that I, myself, believe what I’m typing here, but I’m just pointing out that one person’s opinion does not the truth make. Lilly could like him, but 2/3s of the Cubs could theoretically have not.

"Blinding ignorance does mislead us. O! Wretched mortals, open your eyes!"
Gil Hodges IS a Hall of Famer.

by Brooklyn Dodgers Mets Fan on Dec 23, 2009 12:42 AM EST up reply actions  

No, no, don't you see, DeRosa is the answer!!!

"I dunno. I never smoked any Astroturf"
-Tug McGraw

by squid92 on Dec 23, 2009 12:52 AM EST up reply actions  

I'm also a good clubhouse guy (worth around 1y/2m in Mets terms)

“I love Michkin as a poster, a player, a person, a clubhouse guy,” anonymous scout said. “I could say he’s probably the best teammate I’ve ever had. All around, he really cares a great deal about everybody, and that’s the kind of person he is. I think he also leads by example — the way he plays and comments. He’s a special individual and he has some serious MS paint skillz” amazinavenue.com.

by Michkin on Dec 23, 2009 6:07 AM EST up reply actions  

You are correct...

This is why I say do not get either player because another 4 or 5 wins is not worth it. Save the payroll and gear up for next year’s FA group. Let’s see how a healthy Mets team performs. There is just too much room to make up for this year. I know it is tough to go into 2010 without a chance but the reality is that the Mets are kind of in a rebuilding mode. Now, there is a chance it could be a quick rebuilding period – say one year. Is that so bad?

by jpoppejr on Dec 23, 2009 6:04 AM EST reply actions  

Five wins is huge from one player, it's all star caliber.

There are only about 25 five win position players in baseball. Holliday, along with a healthy and productive Wright, Reyes and Beltran would make this team instant playoff contenders.

The Mets lobby Omar for a plan, and his plan, he likes his plan. The problem is that he didn't write his plan down 'cause that makes it paperwork, and that’s false hustle... Know what I’m sayin’?

by Evan_S on Dec 23, 2009 6:09 AM EST up reply actions  

"Another four or five wins is not worth it"

What? Another SINGULAR win in the 2006 post-season, and the club’s history would have been dramatically different. Another four or five wins in 2007, and the club’s history would have been dramatically different. Another four of five wins in 2008, and the club’s history would have been dramatically different.

That the 2010 free agent market may or may not be better than this seasons doesn’t negate the fact that Matt Holliday is certainly a difference maker. As you say, there’s “too much room to make up for this year”. If none of the problems that we have now are addressed, on top of the problems that we have during the 2010 after-season, we’ll have to add the problems we have now.

There’s no reason to necessarily write off the 2010 season. As the team stands right now, there’s a bunch of pretty blatant holes. If one or two of them are genuinely fixed, while the others are just kind of patched over as temporary stopgaps, we’re fielding a team that can contend for the division title, and/or the Wild Card. Adding Matt Holliday genuinely fixes one of those blatant holes, and for years to come.

"Blinding ignorance does mislead us. O! Wretched mortals, open your eyes!"
Gil Hodges IS a Hall of Famer.

by Brooklyn Dodgers Mets Fan on Dec 23, 2009 8:08 AM EST up reply actions  

I don't get the DeRosa love

Even if the Mets are somehow shutout on Holliday/Bay, I would still prefer Nady as a RHB at 1B over DeRosa, and maybe sign Coco Crisp for the outfield. DeRosa has been a good bat, but he’s 35 next year. Too little upside, too much risk.

by acerimusdux on Dec 23, 2009 3:40 PM EST reply actions  

It's because DeRosa is versatile and a good guy

or something like that.

"He's definitely mixing it into his repertoire. That's French for 'repertoire' " - Keith Hernandez

by Catsmeat Potter-Pirbright on Dec 23, 2009 3:45 PM EST up reply actions  

IF you accept the premise...

… that versatility and depth might be a better way to go next year— both on-field and off— then DeRosa makes an interesting 1-2 year guy (in conjunction with bringing in a cheap 2-3 WARish Winn or Byrd in LF).

You can squeeze a lot more value out of lefty-mashingness (.299/.368/.490 career) if it can spell Castillo, Wright or Jose

by LeiterMilnerFasterStronger on Dec 23, 2009 4:25 PM EST up reply actions  

I'd prefer DeRosa to Nady.

I don’t know which one is more overhyped. Among the general baseball population, DeRosa, I guess. Among most Mets fans, Nady, definitely. Our problem in 2007 and 2008 was finishing the season weakly. Nady is not the guy you want for finishing a season strong.

"Blinding ignorance does mislead us. O! Wretched mortals, open your eyes!"
Gil Hodges IS a Hall of Famer.

by Brooklyn Dodgers Mets Fan on Dec 23, 2009 5:06 PM EST up reply actions  

I don't really see Nady as much of an upgrade

over evans

"We have a plan, and our plan, I like our plan'

it's Omar's world, we're just livin in it.

by Gina on Dec 23, 2009 7:04 PM EST up reply actions  

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