Mets reach agreement with Kelvim Escobar
Francisco Blavia's Tweet:
"Kelvim Escobar recibió su regalo navideño: acaba de llegar a un acuerdo con los Mets de Nueva York. En breve màs detalles de la firma"
Hooray!
Update: Escobar will be guaranteed $1.25 million, with a $125K bonus for making the Opening Day roster. He can earn $2 million in incentives based on games pitched and another $1 million based on games finished. (Per Jerry Crasnick's Twitter, Part 1 and Part 2)
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For those seeking translation (from Google):
“Kelvim Escobar got his Christmas present: just come to an agreement with New York Mets. In brief details of the firm”
"He's definitely mixing it into his repertoire. That's French for 'repertoire' " - Keith Hernandez
by Catsmeat Potter-Pirbright on Dec 24, 2009 8:52 PM EST reply actions
Beat me to it!
"All energy flows according to the whims of the great magnet
What a fool I was to defy him"
-HST
by Mark Himmelstein on Dec 24, 2009 8:53 PM EST up reply actions
"firma"
Probably means “signing” here.
Hoping he throws a no-hitter so the Post can run with “ZERO DEGREES KELVIM.”
phliadelphoe ite domum!
by Doc Manhattan on Dec 24, 2009 9:11 PM EST up reply actions 7 recs
Oh, I'm thinking we can pull that out for a shutout
"Those who fear disorder more than injustice inevitably produce more of both." -- Rev. William Coffin
I don't think the post is smart enough for a headline like that.
Rec’d
If there's ever a riot at Citi Field and Oliver Perez was the starter, I started the riot.
Too classy and intellectual for the Post.
Asking a General Manager to slim down his budget is like asking an alcoholic to blow up a distillery.
by scott from peekskill on Dec 25, 2009 11:58 AM EST up reply actions
agree
I thought it was for signing too
by Rickfansince76 on Dec 26, 2009 8:49 AM EST up reply actions
As long as it says 'firma', and not 'infierma'
The Mets have had way too much infierma. Way too much.
"Blinding ignorance does mislead us. O! Wretched mortals, open your eyes!"
Gil Hodges IS a Hall of Famer.
by Brooklyn Dodgers Mets Fan on Dec 27, 2009 9:05 PM EST up reply actions
thanks
I wasn’t sure on Regalo navideno but that makes sense…plus I was having a brain fart on Breve
by Rickfansince76 on Dec 26, 2009 8:50 AM EST up reply actions
A real translation from a Spanish speaker:
“Kelvim Escobar received his Christmas gift: he has just arrived to an agreement with the New York Mets. More details of the signing shortly.”
Online translators blow.
Oh, Bobby.
They do?
The online translator got the gist very nicely. There was some confusion over one word, but it was unimportant.
You go ahead and be very proud of yourself for your Spanish skills, but online translators have revolutionized the collection of information from everywhere and all around.
I'm saying they're too rigid...
Perhaps “blow” is wrong, but language is fluid and dynamic and online translators aren’t smart enough to pick up on that fact. So, we get discrepancies and confusions over words primarily those with usage in idiomatic expressions.
Oh, Bobby.
Well, sure, we'd all prefer to have a native speaker of whatever language available at all times
Maybe you’re so young that the revolutionized world of available info isn’t any big thing, but I remember when you had to pull a dictionary and try to puzzle out meanings for yourself. Which often enough was impossible, because there was no way to figure out declinations, for example. (Not that one would be reading online news reports in other languages in those days, there being no online, but in books and periodicals, etc.)
It wasn't that long ago that I had to do that for my Master's thesis.
A lot of what I was translating was in Danish, Swedish, and Norwegian and I lucked out by finding a woman who spoke all three and was willing to speak the translations into a tape recorder. Really simplified things. But yeah, it was a very different world just a few years ago.
I would never trust an online translater for something that important.
The Mets lobby Omar for a plan, and his plan, he likes his plan. The problem is that he didn't write his plan down 'cause that makes it paperwork, and that’s false hustle... Know what I’m sayin’?
Not really.
"Never throw a slider to The Glider."
- Ed Charles, No. 5
Not really on the solid signing or on the being excited?
cause I think as mets fans we should be clinging to the small things.
"We have a plan, and our plan, I like our plan'
it's Omar's world, we're just livin in it.
Its a very smart move that cost practically zero and has a good upside. The sun just appeared briefly from behind the offseason of 09
Asking a General Manager to slim down his budget is like asking an alcoholic to blow up a distillery.
by scott from peekskill on Dec 25, 2009 11:59 AM EST up reply actions
Jon Heyman says its minor league now
If that’s the case, then it’s an excellent signing.
Trying to believe is my full-time occupation.
Because our AAA team really needs him?
"Never throw a slider to The Glider."
- Ed Charles, No. 5
Non-guaranteed money.
Unlike Redding last year, we won’t have to pay his MLB salary if he’s in AAA.
by BobbyV_Incognito on Dec 25, 2009 4:32 PM EST up reply actions
Because he's low risk
and possibly really high reward
"We have a plan, and our plan, I like our plan'
it's Omar's world, we're just livin in it.
Jose Lima
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"Never throw a slider to The Glider."
- Ed Charles, No. 5
What does he have to do with anything?
"We're just as bad as the old Mets, but this time nobody's laughing"
-Dallas Green
by Stephen Schmidt on Dec 25, 2009 5:51 PM EST up reply actions
It's all about building depth
that’s what has plagued us for years. There’s virtually no risk, and the reward is high (just look at some of his great years in Anaheim). He’s many times better than a Redding or a Brian Lawrence, etc.
Trying to believe is my full-time occupation.
Wonder what the terms are
"Those who fear disorder more than injustice inevitably produce more of both." -- Rev. William Coffin
17.5 million dollar vesting option for 2011 if he doesn't die
"I only wanted a few things out of life -- a wife, children, to play baseball and to hunt deer." - Turk Wendell
Matt Cerrone says
it’s a Major League deal if we didn’t already know that.
Trying to believe is my full-time occupation.
Don't be snide
MLBTR says there’s confusion about whether it’s a major or minor league deal. I’m hoping it’s a minor league deal so you look bad.
Yeah when it was first rumored it was supposed to be for a minor league deal
"We have a plan, and our plan, I like our plan'
it's Omar's world, we're just livin in it.
I'm not being snide
I added that because it may have been news, or may not have been. I was acknowledging this confusion because we might not have been sure either. I’m hoping it’s a minor league deal too for the simple reason that it would be better for the Mets.
Trying to believe is my full-time occupation.
My Mistake
I thought you’d written “as if we didn’t already know that” I see now that you didn’t write “as if.” I apologize.
god willing
"I only wanted a few things out of life -- a wife, children, to play baseball and to hunt deer." - Turk Wendell
I don't think anyone knows
it’s possible his arm can’t even handle that, though I imagine they wouldn’t have signed him if he couldn’t pass a physical.
"We have a plan, and our plan, I like our plan'
it's Omar's world, we're just livin in it.
But we're actually doing a good job with it (Cora aside) for a change.
I’ve been quite pleased with the way thing have been going this winter…A vast improvement over last year.
"We're just as bad as the old Mets, but this time nobody's laughing"
-Dallas Green
by Stephen Schmidt on Dec 25, 2009 9:37 AM EST up reply actions
This
I’m a big fan of stockpiling cheap bullpen arms with upside.
"He's definitely mixing it into his repertoire. That's French for 'repertoire' " - Keith Hernandez
by Catsmeat Potter-Pirbright on Dec 25, 2009 9:57 AM EST up reply actions
agreed
"I reject your reality and substitute my own"
-Adam Savage
by blueandorange4life on Dec 25, 2009 10:53 AM EST up reply actions
I as well
Despite the media frenzy, I find it refreshing
"All energy flows according to the whims of the great magnet
What a fool I was to defy him"
-HST
by Mark Himmelstein on Dec 25, 2009 1:58 PM EST up reply actions
yup no arguements with the little moves (aside from the 2 million dollar frown machine)
or even the lack of big moves so far, i’d just like to see them put a little attention on Holliday.
by KeithsMoustache on Dec 25, 2009 6:08 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
any idea on how much?
"We have a plan, and our plan, I like our plan'
it's Omar's world, we're just livin in it.
Omar being smart?
or could it be…because Kelvim is hispanic?
and in his 30s!
"We have a plan, and our plan, I like our plan'
it's Omar's world, we're just livin in it.
... and coming off shoulder surgery.
If we’re going to sign a guy who hasn’t pitched in two years due to arm problems, why couldn’t it have been Sheets?
"Never throw a slider to The Glider."
- Ed Charles, No. 5
Ben Sheets won't be taking a minor league deal at this point.
"We're just as bad as the old Mets, but this time nobody's laughing"
-Dallas Green
by Stephen Schmidt on Dec 25, 2009 4:32 PM EST up reply actions
Because sheets would cost 12 million more
"We have a plan, and our plan, I like our plan'
it's Omar's world, we're just livin in it.
$12 million?
C’mon. I think it’s going to be more around the $5-8 million base with incentives for one year with a option for a second if he reach certain plateaus (inning pitched, etc.).
"Never throw a slider to The Glider."
- Ed Charles, No. 5
Thats still 5-8 million more
and what does signing Kelvim to a deal have to do with Sheets anyway? it’s not like the minor league deal given to Kelvim is going to make a difference in whether they can afford Sheets. Plus Kelvim, when he was healthy was just as good as Sheets, when he was healthy.
"We have a plan, and our plan, I like our plan'
it's Omar's world, we're just livin in it.
Great Signing
Kelvim has great upside. Hopefully he’ll finally find health.
Merry Christmas everyone
And this is a good signing
by MetsKnicksRutgers on Dec 25, 2009 9:57 AM EST reply actions
Ugh.
merry christmas. : (
"Never throw a slider to The Glider."
- Ed Charles, No. 5
All I can say is:
I hope you’re right and I’m wrong.
"Never throw a slider to The Glider."
- Ed Charles, No. 5
for a minor league deal
worst case scenario is we pay almost nothing and get almost nothing, but theres a lot of room to improve on that scenario if his arm holds up reasonably well. Even if you can’t find optimism, its hard to find much pessimism in this signing either.
by KeithsMoustache on Dec 25, 2009 6:09 PM EST up reply actions
Perhaps I'm being a grinch ..
Maybe we should just go for the one-season fill-in-the-gap players; get our core healthy and one the field; and maybe we make a trade or two before the trading deadline.
Though I would like to get DeRosa and Hudson as I think they would put up decent numbers and be great in the clubhouse.
"Never throw a slider to The Glider."
- Ed Charles, No. 5
you are being a grinch
this move is 100% positive. even if Escobar doesn’t pitch an inning in the majors this year I can honestly be ok with it. The Mets, it seems, are starting to really take some fliers/chances on guys that make sense (even if they had no interest in Harden!). Felipe Lopez is a better option than the O-Dawg at this point anyway but that’s mute because Luis Castillo is our second basemen right now.
Seriously guys…at this point the Mets need to fill the holes they have then build the depth. I dunno what the fuss is about all the non-essential pieces. Derosa is in the non-essential pieces category because the Mets don’t have a spot for him and his at least 6 MM salary. Omar if your reading this just offer Matty H 17 per for 5 years and get this Bay experiment over. A LF is a REAL need.
I'm still kinda confused
is it a minor league deal or a major league deal?
ok, its a start
Self-proclaimed president of the Pat White and Brian Hartline fan club.
No hating on Jay Fiedler, please.
Official Back-Up Phinsider LOL'er.
The one and only "ho-nerd"
Hey wait, I don't hate this move.
I feel empty without my outrage, disgust, and feeling of impending doom.
I guess you should be keeping your fingers crossed for Bengie Molasses.
You’ll be full of het then.
"We're just as bad as the old Mets, but this time nobody's laughing"
-Dallas Green
by Stephen Schmidt on Dec 26, 2009 12:09 PM EST up reply actions
Go after Dotel and we got our selves a bullpen
----Warner----
-------13-------
by Scent of a Woman on Dec 26, 2009 12:55 PM EST reply actions
We're looking pretty good as is...but I'd pass on Dotel.
K-rod, Escobar, Igarashi, Parnell, Stokes, and Feliciano fill 6 of the 7 spots. Add a 2nd lefty and we’re in good shape, espescially with Dickey and Everts hiding in AAA.
"We're just as bad as the old Mets, but this time nobody's laughing"
-Dallas Green
by Stephen Schmidt on Dec 26, 2009 1:18 PM EST up reply actions
Oops, forgot him.
I guess that’s excusable considering how he pitched at times.
"We're just as bad as the old Mets, but this time nobody's laughing"
-Dallas Green
by Stephen Schmidt on Dec 26, 2009 2:47 PM EST up reply actions
whoa whoa whoa
1.25 mil guaranteed for a guy who has thrown 5 innings since 2007? what the hell?
A "Zeile" for avoiding outs
Yeah, I actually kinda agree.
That’s a lot for someone who may or may not make the roster. Then again, chances are he does well and deserves even more than that.
"I dunno. I never smoked any Astroturf"
-Tug McGraw
he has high upside, and if he's healthy, he's a good pitcher.
and i don’t think the Mets would have signed him if he hadn’t passed a physical.
"I dunno. I never smoked any Astroturf"
-Tug McGraw
Meh
he may be able to pass a physical now but that doesn’t mean his arm won’t fall off after like ten innings of pitching. I’d rather see if he can make it through all of spring training before giving him guaranteed money. Not to mention that seems like a lot of money when you factor in incentives, up to 4.5 million if I’m reading it right, more than I’d want to give a set up man when we have guys like Parnell and Stokes for cheap.
"We have a plan, and our plan, I like our plan'
it's Omar's world, we're just livin in it.
Guys, look at this money!
A potential $4.5m (more likely 3+) for a middle reliever… who hasn’t pitched in two years??
These are the deals that make Holliday too expensive for our FO(ie, the diference between 17m and 20m yearly contracts).
I, too, liked this deal when it was “low risk” or a minor league deal. But this is steep. The cora/coste/blanco/kelvim moves add up, when you only have $15-20m to work with.
by saberkeith on Dec 26, 2009 3:46 PM EST via mobile reply actions
Agreed guarenteeing him money was bad enough but up to 4.5 million?
And if he is healthy it doesn’t even sound like he’d have to be that good to reach some of the incentives. Does anyone have any information on how many games and games finished he’d have to hit to reach those incentives.
"We have a plan, and our plan, I like our plan'
it's Omar's world, we're just livin in it.
It sounds like most of it is games played, with an additional million for games finished.
If he’s healthy enough to earn those incentives, odds are he’ll earn them. I’m sure Cot’s will have the specifics in a week or so, but I don’t mind incentive based contracts.
"We're just as bad as the old Mets, but this time nobody's laughing"
-Dallas Green
by Stephen Schmidt on Dec 26, 2009 5:44 PM EST up reply actions
Yeah but my point is
he could be healthy enough to pitch and still not be effective enough to be worth anywhere near 4.5 million dollars, but that doesn’t mean Manuel won’t keep sending him out there to set up, since he likes keeping guys in “their roles”.
"We have a plan, and our plan, I like our plan'
it's Omar's world, we're just livin in it.
i don't think i've ever
seen a positive post from you. are you ever happy?
if Escobar actually pitches innings for the NY Mets this year he’ll be worth the money. And if i am not mistaken I think he has been pitching in winter ball so i’m sure the Mets took that into consideration for the contract.
It is hard to be positive, and also.....
if Escobar actually pitches innings for the NY Mets this year he’ll be worth the money. And if i am not mistaken I think he has been pitching in winter ball so i’m sure the Mets took that into consideration for the contract
1. He’ll be worth the money if he pitches somewhere north of 50 innings as a setup guy. Anything less is a failure. If he is going to start, then the number of innings needs to be north of 120 for “the money” to be well spent.
2. You second point assumes the Mets took performance in the winter league into consideration as opposed to some scout’s word who is probably getting a kickback from Escobar. It is a given that Minaya didn’t go see him in person because he is too busy going to see the Nets play. I smell trouble here.
you know what I'm sayin' ?
1 million of the incentives were for games finished, so if he's not pitching the ninth he won't be getting that money.
"We're just as bad as the old Mets, but this time nobody's laughing"
-Dallas Green
by Stephen Schmidt on Dec 26, 2009 7:20 PM EST up reply actions
ok......
your second point brings nothing to this discussion. The point is this: Escobar has been pitching and he had over 15 teams looking at him. Mets showed early interest in him and he went for it. I don’t see what Minaya and watching the Nets has to do with anything.
um....Minaya didn't physically see Escobar ?
if 15 teams looked at him, and 14 didn’t sign him that doesn’t say much for the one team that did.
don’t get me wrong, I hope he does well, because come April 5 I will root my ass off for this team, but the constant signing of “has beens” with “upside” drives me nuts.
you know what I'm sayin' ?
i agree here
I would have been much happier if 6 of those 14 teams had signed him. Then I would say he would be worth it.
But it's better than overpaying for guys who will likely give the same production right?
or signing has beens with zero upside. Like the Tim Reddings and the Livan Hernandez’s.
"We have a plan, and our plan, I like our plan'
it's Omar's world, we're just livin in it.
Putz pitched innings for the mets last year
was he worth the money he got? And you can scroll up to see positive posts from me when this deal was being reported as a minor league deal.
"We have a plan, and our plan, I like our plan'
it's Omar's world, we're just livin in it.
Can you compare Putz?
Escobar didn’t cost anything in a trade. And if Kelvim meets the incentives, then he stayed healthy and likely pitched well (based on the games finished clause). Meanwhile, Putz was $5 million guaranteed and that was it. All in all, I think this was (still) a positive signing. When you have pitchers on the decline like Fernando Rodney getting $5.5 Million, I think Kelvim remains worth the flier. $1.25 Million at the least doesn’t take much away from the Mets.
Trying to believe is my full-time occupation.
the 1.25 million wasn't what I was complaining about as much
as the fact he could make 3 million+ just for appearing in games. And my Putz comparison was that he pitched for us but wasn’t worth his money. Escobar could be mediocre but that doesn’t mean Manuel won’t keep sending him out there, since he doesn’t think Stokes exists, if he makes the team its hard to imagine he doesn’t get the 3 million, unless he completely falls apart.
"We have a plan, and our plan, I like our plan'
it's Omar's world, we're just livin in it.
not to be an asshole or anything
because I like what Brian Storks brings to the table and I enjoy watching him but he didn’t have the best year last year.
K/9- 5.76 BB/9- 4.86 K/BB- 1.16 (This is approaching Ollie territory)
His FIP was 4.63 and tRA was 5.43. I believe his WPA and WAR were in the negative values.
He pitched 70 innings….so it’s not like he didn’t get the work.
Meanwhile J.J. still had a lower tRA and FIP than Storks. I contribute that to bad luck/injuries for his down year. The trade was a shake-up and a gamble and I thought it was a good idea at the time. We just did it the wrong year.
You can’t compare Putz to Escobar because they are nothing alike. Escobar didn’t cost Mike Carp, Endy Chavez, Joe Smith, etc. He cost 1.25 million as of now.
I agree
but there was a point last year when Stokes was lights out, and he pitched like 10 times in the span of 2 months during that time. He only started getting regular work when our season was all but lost and he was mostly doing mop up for games that were already out of reach.
"I dunno. I never smoked any Astroturf"
-Tug McGraw
Mostly it's just the fact that
if they’re just taking a flier on him as a reliever, and not a possible starting option, I don’t think a set up man should be looking at making 3-4 million just for being a set up man, especially when we have so many cheaper options.
"We have a plan, and our plan, I like our plan'
it's Omar's world, we're just livin in it.
I see what you mean
For your above post, Manuel and Minaya can’t afford to keep putting a sucky reliever out there day after day. I think Manuel will operate as if his job is on the line. If there was any more incentive not to, it’s that he has those incentive clauses in his contract. These clauses, essentially, seem to be performance-based.
For the below post, I can totally see what you’re saying. I can see starting him out in the ‘pen. But if he’s 2007 effective? They have to have him build up the arm strength to get back in the rotation. That would be a huge boon for the rotation. I would tend to think that the bullpen gig is just an effort for him to get his feet wet and prove himself again—if he’s healthy and effective, I can’t see him being averse to starting.
Trying to believe is my full-time occupation.
Escobar, Igarashi, Blanco and the others
add depth to the 25 and 40 man roster……How about these names; Uribe, Gomes,
Gregg, Dotel, Reed and Kelly Johnson, Valverde, Sheets, Laird, Ankiel, DeRosa,?
I don't like the money that we might have to fork over, if certain incentives are met, but I like that we have Escobar under contract.
"Blinding ignorance does mislead us. O! Wretched mortals, open your eyes!"
Gil Hodges IS a Hall of Famer.
by Brooklyn Dodgers Mets Fan on Dec 27, 2009 9:07 PM EST reply actions
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