This Is How You Build A Bullpen
by Sam Page on Dec 27, 2009 6:00 AM EST
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PrintAmidst the growing cries for the blood of ungrateful Canadian jabroni Jason Bay, we may have overlooked a significant string of transactions. The Mets signed Kelvim Escobar, Ryota Igarashi, and Clint Everts to a collective, sarcastic "wow!" from a group of fans, who, in their rush to be fashionably discontented, ignored a potentially important change in the Mets' philosophy. Fans are so underwhelmed because the Mets are finally building a bullpen the right way, with flexibility, positive risk, and a budget.
Presenting the 2008-09 offseason, a play, starring:
Kelvim Escobar as J.J. Putz: While Escobar missed all of '08, Putz's performance that season was perhaps the bigger red flag, as he pitched through injury the whole year. Escobar never struck out batters like Putz either, but he was a starter, with a comparable track record. Between these two pitchers with incredible upside but equal injury risk, one cost $6 million, the best defensive LFer in baseball, and a small army of other interesting talent. The other will make $1.4 million next season.
Ryota Igarashi as Francisco Rodriguez: The temptation to match up the Venezuelan former-Angels and Pacific Ocean splitter-specialists was considerable, but Igarashi's numbers are much closer to Frank's than Escobar. In Japan, a typical season for Igarashi was pure K-Rod: a strikeout rate hovering around 11 per 9 and a BB/9 between 4 and 5. And while, yes, the NBP is a kind of high-AAA minor league, Igarashi signed for a total $3 million and Rodriguez $55 million (with vesting option of doom). A $12-million dollar salary disparity is too much for two players with a very good, non-zero chance of pitching almost identically in 2010, and it reflects a failure of process.
That's not to say high-payroll teams should never leverage their financial advantage to sign the best relievers. Spending on a closer is perfectly acceptable when: A. the rest of the roster is well constructed, so the marginal value of win is greater at each position, and B. he's actually worth the money (or close). Paying Francisco Rodriguez $17.5MM in 2012 is unequivocally insane for a team in the Mets position. Last year there were equally good risk/reward signings, such as Trevor Hoffman or Bob Howry, and even some like Jason Isringhausen, who ultimately didn't work out.
It's a lesson in common sense learned too late for Omar Minaya, but maybe not for the Mets. The good news is that we'll have three of these four players in the 2010 bullpen, joining Bobby Parnell, Sean Green, and two more players, who might include cult-hero Brian Socks.
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Sorry Sam Page
But you’re ignoring that the Mets got rid of Heilman, acquired Green and that Putz’s injury was likely a result of pushing too in the WBC, not the injuries from 08. The WBC wrecked the Mets 09 season. No other MLB team had more players in it.
and heck yes nelsonc, I’d want Yu, but he’s what, a year or two years away from the bidding process. Chapman’s available now, likely has higher upside and won’t cost nearly as much as Yu.
o yeah
and your forgot about DIckey. Knuckleballers are quite rare in MLB and he represents a great change of pace option coming out of the pen if he makes the MLB roster.
I’d also like to point out that the Mets got Darren O’Day last season for beans and unfortunately were forced to let him get picked off by the Rangers through the waiver process. He would of been great in the Mets pen. It’s a shame.
green is just an older more expensive version of Joe Smith
who we got from the trade. And the mets didn’t have to let Putz play in the WBC if they were worried about injuries, especially since the mets apparently knew about the underlying problem before even trading for him. Plus we could have just non-tendered Heilman he was still under team control wasn’t he?
"We have a plan, and our plan, I like our plan'
it's Omar's world, we're just livin in it.
Green is an older, more expensive, and suckier version of Joe Smith.
"Blinding ignorance does mislead us. O! Wretched mortals, open your eyes!"
Gil Hodges IS a Hall of Famer.
by Brooklyn Dodgers Mets Fan on Dec 27, 2009 8:59 PM EST up reply actions
Theres no set time for him to be available to post, but he's got to accrue 9 years service time to become a free agent.
He just finished his 5th pro season, so he is under Nippon’s control until the conclusion of the 2013 season unless the Fighters decide to post him.
"We're just as bad as the old Mets, but this time nobody's laughing"
-Dallas Green
by Stephen Schmidt on Dec 27, 2009 6:04 PM EST up reply actions
I know it's wrong
but I prefer to call them the Ham Fighters.
The Mets lobby Omar for a plan, and his plan, he likes his plan. The problem is that he didn't write his plan down 'cause that makes it paperwork, and that’s false hustle... Know what I’m sayin’?
That's probably because, obviously, you've never worked a day in your life.
And don’t you dare go to St. Louis and curse…
"Blinding ignorance does mislead us. O! Wretched mortals, open your eyes!"
Gil Hodges IS a Hall of Famer.
by Brooklyn Dodgers Mets Fan on Dec 27, 2009 9:54 PM EST up reply actions
I can actually guarantee you that the WBC was not, as you seem to think, the reason we sucked.
"I dunno. I never smoked any Astroturf"
-Tug McGraw
The newspapers said it, so it must be true.
"Blinding ignorance does mislead us. O! Wretched mortals, open your eyes!"
Gil Hodges IS a Hall of Famer.
by Brooklyn Dodgers Mets Fan on Dec 27, 2009 10:09 PM EST up reply actions
I actually can believe that the WBC didn't help
when you have players with injury worries/or are old to begin with playing that much extra baseball probably didn’t help.
"We have a plan, and our plan, I like our plan'
it's Omar's world, we're just livin in it.
Oh, I think it contributed.
But THE reason why we sucked? Please.
"I dunno. I never smoked any Astroturf"
-Tug McGraw
I've made the acquisition of a Yu Darvish
jersey a 2010 priority. I just hope the Mets go for the real thing when the time comes.
You mean with a jersey?
Or with getting the Mets to sign Darvish? Because if there’s anything you can do on the latter, please please please do it.
When is the real time going to come?
From what I’ve read he’s not likely to get posted for years is he?
"We have a plan, and our plan, I like our plan'
it's Omar's world, we're just livin in it.
It could be up to 6 years till he's available, depending if his club decides to post him.
His value to major league clubs will likely increase as he gets slightly older, so I’d assume there’s no plans in the immediate future to post him.
"We're just as bad as the old Mets, but this time nobody's laughing"
-Dallas Green
by Stephen Schmidt on Dec 27, 2009 1:22 PM EST up reply actions
What if an MLB club purchases the entire Ham Fighter organization?
I wouldn’t put anything past the Yanks at this point.
at the very least, someone should buy the rights to their old mascot
“Fighty (retired) – a bright pink pterodactyl whose head resembled a giant leg of ham and who sometimes rode a bicycle around the pitch. Fighty was retired, despite the (unsuccessful) ‘Save Fighty’ campaign, when the Fighters moved to Hokkaidō.”
Why does a pterodactyl need to ride a bicycle?
"Blinding ignorance does mislead us. O! Wretched mortals, open your eyes!"
Gil Hodges IS a Hall of Famer.
by Brooklyn Dodgers Mets Fan on Dec 28, 2009 4:38 PM EST up reply actions
Uhhh...because it's awesome?
"We're just as bad as the old Mets, but this time nobody's laughing"
-Dallas Green
by Stephen Schmidt on Dec 28, 2009 6:50 PM EST up reply actions
It is Japanese, though, so shouldn't it have a rocket-bike, or a motor scooter?
"Blinding ignorance does mislead us. O! Wretched mortals, open your eyes!"
Gil Hodges IS a Hall of Famer.
by Brooklyn Dodgers Mets Fan on Dec 28, 2009 10:35 PM EST up reply actions
Significant string of transactions?
alot of hope in that statement
Escobar is coming off an injury
Igarashi has never pitched in the US
and Evert is a prospect who has never been able to make it. Yet!
so we have to hope all these picthers suddenly hit their potential this year, I hope they do but placing that much hope in 3 projects is not significant.
Stockpiling these guys
and hoping one or more work out is the goal.
Trying to believe is my full-time occupation.
I'd rather have 'em than not have 'em, you know?
"Blinding ignorance does mislead us. O! Wretched mortals, open your eyes!"
Gil Hodges IS a Hall of Famer.
by Brooklyn Dodgers Mets Fan on Dec 27, 2009 9:00 PM EST up reply actions
And I'd rather have them
than paying 5.5 million per to Rodney or Lyon.
"We have a plan, and our plan, I like our plan'
it's Omar's world, we're just livin in it.
Cause, you know, both Lyon and Rodney REALLY deserve the massive reliever big bucks. They're both so great and all...
"Blinding ignorance does mislead us. O! Wretched mortals, open your eyes!"
Gil Hodges IS a Hall of Famer.
by Brooklyn Dodgers Mets Fan on Dec 27, 2009 9:09 PM EST up reply actions
I mean I like Lyon and Rodney a lot
but when starters are getting like 7-9 million in this market how can you justify 5.5 million to a middle reliever?
"We have a plan, and our plan, I like our plan'
it's Omar's world, we're just livin in it.
I don't get all of the Lyon/Rodney love.
Lyon had basically three good years. In the interim five years (ignoring one season where he was hurt), he didn’t put up very good numbers. Rodney, he’s even worse. He had basically one good year, but has had plenty of injuries. At least Lyon never really has a history of injury, save one year.
"Blinding ignorance does mislead us. O! Wretched mortals, open your eyes!"
Gil Hodges IS a Hall of Famer.
by Brooklyn Dodgers Mets Fan on Dec 27, 2009 9:58 PM EST up reply actions
kelvim isn't 1.4m
He’s $1.4m with the remote possibility of $4.4m and distinct possibility of $3.4m (when adding in incentives).
How many relievers in baseball are getting $3.4-4.4 per year?
How many of them are non-closers? (Not inherently important, but gives you a sense of the market)
And finally, how many of these non-closing relievers earning between $3.4-4.4m haven’t pitched in two years?
I believe kelvim is alone. This was no clever low-risk signing. It was, frankly, a misreading or overpaying for this market. Not unlike Luis Castillo and Oliver Perez.
by saberkeith on Dec 27, 2009 8:34 AM EST via mobile reply actions
weren't the incentives mostly about games finished?
"Those who fear disorder more than injustice inevitably produce more of both." -- Rev. William Coffin
no
If I’m not mistaken, it’s more than a million for simply making the team, and a similar amount based on appearances. With an additional million or so for games finished.
That’s why I said 4.4m is a remote possibility but 3m+ seems quite plausible.
by saberkeith on Dec 27, 2009 9:25 AM EST via mobile up reply actions
its only $125K for simply making the team
the significant amounts are based on games pitched and games finished
by Rob Castellano on Dec 27, 2009 9:33 AM EST up reply actions
Its not the best signing of the group
But its also not a terrible one. Especially considering the fact that the commitment is only one year. That’s what relievers generally get when there’s some competition for their services on the open market, often more (see Lyon, Brandon). And the fact that its incentive based does increase the likelihood that if he gets paid that much, it means he was worth it. If it was $3m guaranteed, that’d be one thing, but the fact that it doesn’t reach those escalators unless Kelvim is healthyish, especially early in the season, takes a way a significant portion of the risk.
"All energy flows according to the whims of the great magnet
What a fool I was to defy him"
-HST
by Mark Himmelstein on Dec 27, 2009 11:51 AM EST up reply actions
$1.25 mill base plus $250k for making roster + incentives
So, $1.5 mill if he makes Opening Day roster – how likely is that? Then, a potential $2 mill for games pitched, plus another $1 mill for games finished. Without more details I would assume the structure matches that for Igarashi (see next para.). This would mean, the cost for Escobar is likely to be between $1.25 and $3 mill. This is for a pitcher whose last contract was a backloaded 3 yr/$28 mill, so he received $10 mill in his last year. He is only going to go close if he is healthy and used. This likely means two things: 1) he is effective; and 2) the Mets are contending. In this case he will be cheap.
As for Igarashi, the base is $1.25mill, plus $50k for every ten appearances, starting from 45. This would add to $1.5 mill on 2010 and $2 mill in 2011. This is nowhere near the $4.4 mill stated above. If he does make this number of appearances, presumably he is pitching well (hopefully, he is coming on because K-Rod is not needed).
Robcast is correct
it is $125k for Opening Day, not $250k as I posted
If it's another 2 million for games pitched
and he’s already making 1.40 for making the roster wouldn’t the most likely scenario be upwards of 3 million, if he’s healthy.
"We have a plan, and our plan, I like our plan'
it's Omar's world, we're just livin in it.
That still removes a good portion of the risk though
The only really awful outcome is if he’s healthy but ineffective. If he’s not healthy, or if he’s healthy and effective, either way the cost is pretty well justified.
"All energy flows according to the whims of the great magnet
What a fool I was to defy him"
-HST
by Mark Himmelstein on Dec 27, 2009 12:50 PM EST up reply actions
If he's healthy enough to reach all of his incentives, there's a very good chance he'll qualify as a Type A or B free agent.
His entire elias ranking will be based on what he does this season due to his injuries. He’s got a low base salary, making arbitration less risky. I’m sure his past performances will allow some teams to see him as a closer or starter if he has a healthy season. Add that consideration to his value and the high reward portion becomes even greater.
"We're just as bad as the old Mets, but this time nobody's laughing"
-Dallas Green
by Stephen Schmidt on Dec 27, 2009 1:32 PM EST up reply actions
I actually never thought of that
though I imagine if he’s healthy enough to reach the incentives they’ll resign him, unless his asking price is outrageous.
"We have a plan, and our plan, I like our plan'
it's Omar's world, we're just livin in it.
Is that how it would work? Isn't he technically a 0-6 player, and therefore under team control unless he's non-tendered?
"All energy flows according to the whims of the great magnet
What a fool I was to defy him"
-HST
by Mark Himmelstein on Dec 27, 2009 5:49 PM EST up reply actions
I don't think he's an 0-6 player is he?
he was arbitration eligible way back in 2002 according to cots, and was resigned by the angels as a free agent in 04.
Kelvim Escobar rhp
3 years/$28.5M (2007-09)
* 3 years/$28.5M (2007-09)
o signed extension with Angels 5/06
o $1.5M signing bonus
o 07:$8.5M, 08:$9M, 09:$9.5M
* 3 years/$18.75M (2004-06)
o signed as a free agent 11/03
o $0.75M signing bonus
o 04:$5.5M, 05:$6M, 06:$6.5M
* 1 year/$3.9M (2003)
o re-signed 1/03 (avoided arbitration, $4.6M-$3.5M)
* 1 year/$2.3M (2002)
o re-signed 1/02 (avoided arbitration)
o also may earn performance bonuses
* 1 year/$1.5M (2001)
* agent: Peter Greenberg
* ML service: 11.040
"We have a plan, and our plan, I like our plan'
it's Omar's world, we're just livin in it.
He is not a 0-6 player, but as a free agent who's contract expires the Mets will have the option to offer him arbitration if they would like.
Free agent compensation has nothing to do with service time after the player has accumulated enough of it to reach free agency.
"We're just as bad as the old Mets, but this time nobody's laughing"
-Dallas Green
by Stephen Schmidt on Dec 27, 2009 5:59 PM EST up reply actions
Yeah I know I think Meddler was asking whether or not he had
reached enough service time yet.
"We have a plan, and our plan, I like our plan'
it's Omar's world, we're just livin in it.
Yeah my bad, got confused about the conversation
Thought we were talking about Igarashi for some reason, whoops.
"All energy flows according to the whims of the great magnet
What a fool I was to defy him"
-HST
by Mark Himmelstein on Dec 27, 2009 6:11 PM EST up reply actions
I believe that the Mets have him under team control for 6 years.
Cot’s sites in his contract that he’s a free agent after two years due to article xx(b) of the mlb cba. By reading it I get the feeling that he’ll still be under team control.
http://www.scribd.com/doc/11066175/MLBPA-CBA
"We're just as bad as the old Mets, but this time nobody's laughing"
-Dallas Green
by Stephen Schmidt on Dec 27, 2009 6:21 PM EST up reply actions
The page numbers in that link don't match up, but your looking for page 82 and 83.
"We're just as bad as the old Mets, but this time nobody's laughing"
-Dallas Green
by Stephen Schmidt on Dec 27, 2009 6:22 PM EST up reply actions
Tons of relievers are making that kind of money
The list goes on and on. Brandon Lyon, Fernando Rodney, Damaso Marte, Darren Oliver, Chad Bradford, Scott Schoeneweis (was), Scott Eyre (has), Bob Howry, J.C. Romero, Jeremy Affeldt, to name a bunch.
Trying to believe is my full-time occupation.
Yeah but most of those
aren’t considered very good contracts
"We have a plan, and our plan, I like our plan'
it's Omar's world, we're just livin in it.
did any of those
get such contracts after sitting out two years, due to injury?
by saberkeith on Dec 27, 2009 6:56 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
Do early termination rules only apply to guys who were not FA's?
Can Escobar be cut halfway through ST and get paid just for the first 45 days of the season or whatever? If so, this risk is pretty well offset, and he really only makes money if he’s healthy and effective.
"All energy flows according to the whims of the great magnet
What a fool I was to defy him"
-HST
by Mark Himmelstein on Dec 27, 2009 6:59 PM EST up reply actions
He'd still be guaranteed 1.25 million in that case.
"We're just as bad as the old Mets, but this time nobody's laughing"
-Dallas Green
by Stephen Schmidt on Dec 27, 2009 7:06 PM EST up reply actions
So I'm assuming that's a yes about the early termination rules?
How are they applied? Just to guys who weren’t given guaranteed open-market contracts? I can’t find anywhere its specified.
"All energy flows according to the whims of the great magnet
What a fool I was to defy him"
-HST
by Mark Himmelstein on Dec 27, 2009 9:53 PM EST up reply actions
completely agree
i made some similar sentiments in my offseason plan:
“The bullpen is already nearly filled out but the last spot is saved for a Rule 5 guy because it’s stupid not to take advantage of this creative opportunity…I also like the idea of Kelvim Escobar if he can be had for less than $3M on a 1yr deal…I like the hit rate on Japanese relievers”
I know everts wasn’t a rule 5 pick but it’s a nice creative move, which omar randomly has had a penchant for.
I really hope they continue down this path w/ the cuban pitcher Maya as he sounds like solid (if unspectacular) rotational filler, which these days costs upwards of $10M and multiple years.
one nitpick: "...in their rush to be fashionably discontented..."
who’s in a rush? I think we deserve our discontent. I personally am fine with Omar not doing much of anything in the last few months before he is fired, but it is probably too early to distinguish a possible change in organizational philosophy from the typical mismanagement.
[plus isn’t fashionable discontentment what the internet (and saberblogging) is all about? there’s an old baseball saying: you can’t have your (shaving cream) cake and smash it in everyones’ faces too.]
I.M. Forme
"When you get yourself into trouble is when you feel you have to do something, and then you get yourself in trouble." --Omar Minaya
You forgot RA Dickey
"[The Giants] beat us down. We were beat by a grown-man team, a team we want to be like one day. They came in here and took it to us. Out-manned us, out-gunned us. ... It wasn't even close." - Raheem Morris, 9/27/09
Completely agree
It is possible to make the bullpen a strength, and even to leverage that strength as the primary pitching strength. As a unit, a bullpen isn’t that much different in value than one starter, the value range is fairy comparable. This is much more like what the Mets did in 2006 to build a quality bullpen than like what they did in 2009. If they can get anything close to the 3.66 FIP and ~7 WAR they got out of their pen in 2006, it would go a long way from making them look simply superficially competitive as opposed to actually in the playoff mix. There’s still more substantial roster additions that have to get done first, but that’s still very much within the realm of possibility with two start outfielders on the market and a short list of possible suitors, and the way this year’s market has worked, getting those few “finishing touches” wins out of the pen looks like a pretty savvy move.
"All energy flows according to the whims of the great magnet
What a fool I was to defy him"
-HST
by Mark Himmelstein on Dec 27, 2009 11:57 AM EST reply actions
I liked all these moves save for the Escobar signing
mark my words, that will come back to bite us in the ass next year (or maybe even this offseason, all of these small commitments might prevent us from signing anyone half decent)
A "Zeile" for avoiding outs
this deal could very well bite us in the ass next year
if escobar sucks or gets hurt again
A "Zeile" for avoiding outs
The biggest danger I see
is that if Omar stays with the club, then any of these pitchers working out half decently in a one year deal will have earned a 3 year 18 Mill deal, and will quickly go from bargain to waste. This is how you build a bullpen, but then again signing Mota to a big deal after marginal effectiveness or signing Valentin after a good season is not.
I don't see the criticism of Valentin
He was still signed short term and not at a huge cost…the fact that he tore his ACL was a rough break, but the contract never hurt the team.
"We're just as bad as the old Mets, but this time nobody's laughing"
-Dallas Green
by Stephen Schmidt on Dec 27, 2009 2:57 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
I think you could say it hurt the team
because rather than looking into other 2nd base options he held onto Valentine to long and then had to trade for Castillo, and then resigned him to that awful contract. Omar seems to hold onto players too long after he’s caught lightening in a bottle, and then force himself into a position where he’s scrambling for a replacement once they regress.
"We have a plan, and our plan, I like our plan'
it's Omar's world, we're just livin in it.
But in this case Valentin was not regressing...he tore a ligament while playing.
That could have happened to any player at any time. The fact that Valentin was signed to a one year deal certainly didn’t hurt the Mets long term, and was plenty of protection against actual regression.
"We're just as bad as the old Mets, but this time nobody's laughing"
-Dallas Green
by Stephen Schmidt on Dec 27, 2009 3:06 PM EST up reply actions
Or he overpays to keep them
a la Oliver Perez, once they’ve outworn their value.
"We have a plan, and our plan, I like our plan'
it's Omar's world, we're just livin in it.
Exactly
Valentin was never a long term solution, but he “earned” a new contract, the same way Perez earned the right to dictate the terms of his contract despite a complete lack of competition. The Castillo contract is another good example, as is Moises Alou, Julio Franco, Orlando Hernandez, and on and on and on…
His new contract was a 1 year deal...thats not the type of contract given to a long term solution.
Perez and Castillo are different cases entirely.
"We're just as bad as the old Mets, but this time nobody's laughing"
-Dallas Green
by Stephen Schmidt on Dec 27, 2009 3:07 PM EST up reply actions
You're right
Looking back, Valentin at 1 year, 3.5 Mill (or whatever it was) was not as bad as I was remembering. Castillo and the rest, on the other hand…
resigning valentin wasn't bad
it was not having an adequate second option in case Valentin couldn’t repeat the performance for whatever reason, which lead to them having no other option but Castillo.
"We have a plan, and our plan, I like our plan'
it's Omar's world, we're just livin in it.
I'd make the argument that the trade for Castillo was quite solid, espescially considering he was a type B free agent.
The subsequent 4 year deal was where Omar failed, but I wouldn’t have had an issue if he had been resigned for 1 year. Those two transactions needed to be looked at seperately though, as a good GM may have netted a positive result.
"We're just as bad as the old Mets, but this time nobody's laughing"
-Dallas Green
by Stephen Schmidt on Dec 27, 2009 3:54 PM EST up reply actions
Oh yeah I loved the trade for Castillo I was a big fan of Castillo for a long time
but I look at them all as one transaction because Castillo was resigned because there were pretty much no other options by then.
"We have a plan, and our plan, I like our plan'
it's Omar's world, we're just livin in it.
And this goes back to my original point...
These signings are fine in a vacuum, but if any of them turn into a long term bad deal, since Omar knows who they are and its easier to resign pitchers than to figure the market, then retroactively, the signing isn’t a great deal.
The saddest part of all this is
That Omar has made a few good, low risk, high reward singings to help the team this year. But in the back of our minds, we are all afraid of what might happen if those players actually hit their high reward.
Of course, Omar is just as likely to overbid for a player like that next offseason if he has a good season on another team, so at least we’d be able to get that one good, cheap year from someone.
"You know I am only teasing. I love you gals out there -- always have." - Keith Hernandez
Wait, hold on...
“The good news is that we’ll have three of these four players in the 2010 bullpen, joining Bobby Parnell, Sean Green, and two more players, who might include cult-hero Brian Socks.”
Umm, and Pedro Feliciano, right?
by JoshNY on Dec 27, 2009 4:04 PM EST reply actions 1 recs
Is he arbitration eligible or a free agent?
Either way I sure hope they plan on bringing him back, since we don’t exactly have many lefties.
"We have a plan, and our plan, I like our plan'
it's Omar's world, we're just livin in it.
It's his last year of arbitration, and he was tendered a contract.
"We're just as bad as the old Mets, but this time nobody's laughing"
-Dallas Green
by Stephen Schmidt on Dec 27, 2009 4:18 PM EST up reply actions
small correction
Frankie’s contract with the vesting option applied is for $51MM, not $55MM, as there’s $3.5MM guaranteed buyout already included in the original 37/3. So while the contract is really bad, it is not that bad.
Meh I'd say it's still pretty bad
since all he has to do is be healthy for it to vest
"We have a plan, and our plan, I like our plan'
it's Omar's world, we're just livin in it.
yeah,
I’m really arguing that. But still – it’s a $1MM per year that can be used as a down payment to sign, say, Alex Cora, if you know what I mean.
We should give Alex Cora a $1 million bonus, just to show him that we care. Definitley.
"Blinding ignorance does mislead us. O! Wretched mortals, open your eyes!"
Gil Hodges IS a Hall of Famer.
by Brooklyn Dodgers Mets Fan on Dec 27, 2009 9:03 PM EST up reply actions
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