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Did he really swing at that? Exploring Mets' batters' strike zone judgement

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For a class project I looked at Pitch f/x data and I wanted to share some Mets-related results with AA. Basically, I tried to determine a batter's personal strike zone, or the area where they would be more likely than not to swing at a pitch. To this end, I looked at the location of every pitch thrown to them, and used a statistical technique to find the boundaries of their zone. (For more detail, see the end of this post.)

Now for fun graphs! These are from the catcher's point of view.

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As you would expect, Castillo has an incredibly small strike zone. It more or less overlays the rulebook strike zone, which I've marked in red. The knees to the letters, roughly. Units are in feet. (*)

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On the other hand, you have Francoeur. He really does swing at stuff close to his head and at his shins. Hilarious. He also looks like he swings at pitches down and in more than he should. In my study of qualified batters in 2009, he had one of the largest strike zones. Bengie Molina was one of the few with an even larger strike zone.

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As a baseline, here's the graph for a batter I think we'll all agree is good: Pujols.

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And another right-handed batter, David Wright.

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His 2009 looks fine and from this there doesn't appear to be any particular problem. Here's 2008, below.

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If you compare the two seasons, 2009 is clearly different from 2008, almost as though in 2009 Wright was standing further from home plate in the batter's box. He's also standing more upright in 2009, since his rulebook strike zone moves up. The Pitch f/x data from 2007 is spotty, so I can't compare any further back.


Pujols' 2008 isn't much different from his 2009 (it's a little bit flatter), so I wonder if the change in Wright's strike zone from 2008 to 2009 is real.


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All of these graphs are fairly crude and I'm definitely open to any suggestions on what else to look at.


Methodology:

I threw out all the called strikes because a batter might take a pitch that he knows is a strike, or he might take a pitch that he thinks is a ball before the pitch hits the strike zone. Since I have no good way of determining which is the case, I decided ignoring them would be easier. In extreme cases like Castillo, that eliminated about a third of the dataset. I think this could be handled better, but I'm not sure how.

The statistical technique I alluded to above is SVM.

(*) The top and the bottom of the rulebook strike zones are from Pitch f/x. For every pitch, the top and bottom heights are recorded based on the batter's stance. Note that John Walsh over at HBT has found that the "real" strike zone is wider and shorter than the rulebook says.

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This is some interesting stuff for sure

Perhaps David was a bit scared off of that right center field in Citi and therefore was trying to pull too much? Then maybe fell into the habit on the road as well ?

Travis Hafner is made of gold

by Super Mario on Dec 28, 2009 2:27 PM EST reply actions  

If anything DW

was trying to go opposite field and rarely if ever tried to pull the ball.

"I got my pregnant wife (the Yankee fan) with me. Hoping my kid learns to kick her everytime the Mets score." -Schifftis-

by future on Jan 2, 2010 3:07 PM EST up reply actions  

Gotta love Francoeur's strike zone...

I think Wright’s strike zone is the most interesting thing. Size wise, it’s virtually the same. All that happened was that if shifted to the left a little. That means that, for the most part, with all of his strikeout and whatever, he’s been swinging through them (and not really going after too many bad pitches), which is something that definitely needs to be worked on a little.

"Blinding ignorance does mislead us. O! Wretched mortals, open your eyes!"
Gil Hodges IS a Hall of Famer.

by Brooklyn Dodgers Mets Fan on Dec 28, 2009 4:47 PM EST reply actions  

It's from behind the plate

So Wright, for example, would be standing on the left.

by mnbv on Dec 28, 2009 6:08 PM EST up reply actions  

that's what I thought

and in the case of Wright, it shows his failed attempt to pull inside pitches in 2009.

you know what I'm sayin' ?

by fxcarden on Dec 28, 2009 7:09 PM EST up reply actions  

Very cool

How many Castillo swing zones can fit inside the Francoeur one? 3? 4?

by James Kannengieser on Dec 28, 2009 7:47 PM EST reply actions  

You could fit the entire state of Georgia in there

You don't cheer for the Mets. You drink for the Mets.

by Kevin H on Dec 29, 2009 8:32 AM EST up reply actions  

Or a Boeing 757, which Delta Airlines has in operation 126, total.

"Blinding ignorance does mislead us. O! Wretched mortals, open your eyes!"
Gil Hodges IS a Hall of Famer.

by Brooklyn Dodgers Mets Fan on Dec 29, 2009 9:05 AM EST up reply actions  

speaking of delta

What does Jeff have to say about the terrorist plot?
Which, is fucking annoying, because i’m in the UK, and now have to get to the airport early, and have security people feeling me.

"We're investigating the investigative procedure of the investigation of Tony Bernazard"---Omar Minaya (he really didn't say it but he would"

by firejerrynow on Dec 29, 2009 11:59 AM EST up reply actions  

Tell me about it

I’m flying to israel next week. Not only do I have to be there stupidly early because of El Al’s security, now I have to allow more time to just get through the gate. And none of these new regs would have stopped the guy anyway, the bomb was sewn into his freaking underwear apparently.

Sorry, didn’t mena to make this blog political for a second there

"I reject your reality and substitute my own"
-Adam Savage

by blueandorange4life on Dec 29, 2009 12:58 PM EST up reply actions  

Oh man, I've heard horror stories about El Al's security

When my dad and brother went to Israel a few years ago, my dad brought his laptop. Security asked him if a) anyone else had ever used it, and b) had he ever sent it in to be serviced. My brother told them that no, nobody had given him anything to take on the flight, but when he mentioned that he had originally been given his bag by our mom (several years before), they accused him of lying.

by BobbyV_Incognito on Dec 29, 2009 8:24 PM EST up reply actions  

"security people feeling me"

Yesterday morning on my way to work, I ran into a friend of mine who happens to be a very attractive (in my opinion) young woman. She spent Christmas with her family in Montreal, and she told me that not only were the border crossings hell in both directions (on top of the hassle of traveling Christmas weekend), but on top of that, two different male security guards full-on groped her chest. Because, you know, clearly those female French-Canadian attorneys are up to something.

by JoshNY on Dec 29, 2009 1:46 PM EST up reply actions  

What does Jeff Francoeur think of terrorist plots?

“It’s great to be a part of it and be a part of this tradition.”

"Blinding ignorance does mislead us. O! Wretched mortals, open your eyes!"
Gil Hodges IS a Hall of Famer.

by Brooklyn Dodgers Mets Fan on Dec 29, 2009 4:50 PM EST up reply actions  

It was the only Jeff Francoeur quote availible on the internet to fit in some context into the question at hand.

"Blinding ignorance does mislead us. O! Wretched mortals, open your eyes!"
Gil Hodges IS a Hall of Famer.

by Brooklyn Dodgers Mets Fan on Dec 29, 2009 10:58 PM EST up reply actions  

No problem...

I’m not trying to be a dick, just terrorism/airplanes always makes me think of 911/NYC.

by Mex_17 on Dec 30, 2009 9:01 PM EST up reply actions  

it's a fair request.

That said, this specific attempt was kinda facepalm worthy. I mean, really? In your pants? Setting fire to it in the middle of the plane? Wha?

"I dunno. I never smoked any Astroturf"
-Tug McGraw

by squid92 on Dec 30, 2009 1:38 AM EST up reply actions  

Yeah, I know...

What a f-ing idiot. I wish they had air marhals on all flights that would just shoot these f-ers dead on the spot.

I’d feel a lot better if there was a good guy with a gun versus some jack-off with a chemistry set sewn into his girlie underpants.

Ok, sorry, end of rant.

by Mex_17 on Dec 30, 2009 9:03 PM EST up reply actions  

yeah

"I dunno. I never smoked any Astroturf"
-Tug McGraw

by squid92 on Dec 30, 2009 9:50 PM EST up reply actions  

What about a

Tazer or a tranquilizer gun. Both Solid Snake and Nathan Drake have used tranquilizer guns, so I assume they’re real.

The Mets lobby Omar for a plan, and his plan, he likes his plan. The problem is that he didn't write his plan down 'cause that makes it paperwork, and that’s false hustle... Know what I’m sayin’?

by Evan_S on Jan 2, 2010 5:23 AM EST up reply actions  

Tranquilizer guns wouldn't work.

I’m pretty sure they’re single-shot weapons, which means you can’t miss, and you’d be screwed in the event there’s multiple targets. Tazers might work, but they’re usually used in a one-on-one situation; I think there might be issues using them in a crowded, enclosed environment like a plane.

by BobbyV_Incognito on Jan 2, 2010 10:33 PM EST up reply actions  

those bean bag shotguns would probably work

they’ll disable someone easy, but probably wouldnt rupture a plane.

by KeithsMoustache on Jan 2, 2010 2:25 PM EST up reply actions  

I kind of think Omar is on to something going after Molina

imagine a 6,7,8 of Frenchy, Molina and then Castillo, pitchers won’t know where to throw the ball.

"We have a plan, and our plan, I like our plan'

it's Omar's world, we're just livin in it.

by Gina on Dec 28, 2009 7:53 PM EST reply actions  

Hmmm...You know, you might be on to something, Gina.

With a bottom of the line-up like that, the pitchers will get all disoriented and confused. By the time the top of the line-up turns back over, we’ll be able to take advantage of their confused state, and strike.

"Blinding ignorance does mislead us. O! Wretched mortals, open your eyes!"
Gil Hodges IS a Hall of Famer.

by Brooklyn Dodgers Mets Fan on Dec 28, 2009 10:43 PM EST up reply actions  

I recall some studies that described how offenses with several low obp guys

were inefficient due to their inability to turn the corner and thereby generate long innings.

by SeanSchirmer on Jan 2, 2010 1:51 AM EST up reply actions  

oh i didn't mean low obp

just guys who swing at everything and randomely connect and hit homers followed by a guy who swings at absolutely nothing because he can’t get enough power to get the ball out of the infield.

"We have a plan, and our plan, I like our plan'

it's Omar's world, we're just livin in it.

by Gina on Jan 2, 2010 2:07 AM EST up reply actions  

It might be more of a contact % problem for D

His career contact is 83.2%, 2009 was down to 80.4%. He dropped 3.8% in contact for pitches outside the strike zone, and dropped 2.5% in contact for pitches in the zone. He also swung at 3% fewer pitches in the strike zone. Seems this is not a good combo.

by dbmets on Dec 29, 2009 11:01 AM EST reply actions  

Great stuff!

Thanks for posting this, very interesting.

by Mex_17 on Dec 29, 2009 10:15 PM EST reply actions  

good post

definitely telling the way Wrights zone has shifted. Lets hope he moves that circle back towards the center of the plate again and we see more of old Wright next season.

by KeithsMoustache on Dec 30, 2009 5:02 PM EST reply actions  

How, realistically, can he fix that?

Is it as simple as moving an inch closer to the plate when he’s at bat? Can it be that simple?

"Blinding ignorance does mislead us. O! Wretched mortals, open your eyes!"
Gil Hodges IS a Hall of Famer.

by Brooklyn Dodgers Mets Fan on Dec 30, 2009 10:00 PM EST up reply actions  

Realistically, he can ignore every thing HoJo tells him to do,

and we’ll have the old Dubs back.

you know what I'm sayin' ?

by fxcarden on Dec 31, 2009 2:32 PM EST up reply actions  

exactly

he used to be an opposite field hitter, who changed his swing to try to pull and avoid citi field eating his home runs at the suggestion of HoJo. this caused his K’s to go up, especially since he used to be one of the best 2 strike hitters around when he was willing to hit the ball opposite field, and didn’t do much to increase his power because its not his natural swing, and he seemed to be much better at pitch recognition when he looked to hit the other way. If he stops trying to pull the ball and ignores the imagined effect of Citi decreasing his HR totals, he will have a much more productive season (although even in a fairly bad year he still posted decent numbers if you take his slugging out of the equation).
This has been my observation all season and the charts here seem to confirm this. Lets hope he realizes HoJo messed him up and goes back to his old ways.

by KeithsMoustache on Jan 1, 2010 7:59 PM EST up reply actions  

I'm just amazed that a hitting coach would mess with a HOFer's swing

unless he asked for help. And if he did, I’d still say something like, uh, let’s wait until you’ve had 250-300 PAs during the season, see how it’s going…

by SeanSchirmer on Jan 3, 2010 10:29 AM EST up reply actions  

How about this?

“I threw out all the called strikes because a batter might take a pitch that he knows is a strike, or he might take a pitch that he thinks is a ball before the pitch hits the strike zone. Since I have no good way of determining which is the case, I decided ignoring them would be easier. In extreme cases like Castillo, that eliminated about a third of the dataset. I think this could be handled better, but I’m not sure how.”

It makes some sense to create a distinct set of diagrams showing where called strikes occur. It might not make everything clear but it will probably give you additional information, some of it interesting. Paired with the diagrams you’ve already created will at least tell you something. I suppose you could break called strikes down further, by count, if you were feeling ambitious, and see where that leads…

by SeanSchirmer on Jan 2, 2010 1:56 AM EST reply actions  

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