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Holiday Malaise Applesauce - Bay still not signed, Mets have money, Sheets wants Ollie money


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Meet the Mets

So, Jason Bay would rather sign in Beirut than with the Mets. It could work, but it's just not the same

Ben Sheets is hoping to make $12 million/year. Wow. That's Oliver Perez-like money.

Once again, Jeff Francoeur proves his value to this team by showing up in amazing photographs.

Patrick Flood argues that Bobby Parnell's fastball should be enough to make him a successful starting pitcher.

Buster Olney says that the Mets still have plenty of money to spend on free agents. Still doesn't mean that they should...

Remember when Juan Gonzalez coulda/shoulda/woulda been a Met?

Nick Cafardo is an idiot.

Some amazingly random stuff shows up in my Google News Alert for "New York Mets"

Around the NL East

The Nationals continue to have offseason success, this time landing closer Matt Capps

Chan Ho Park is suing former teammate Chad Kreuter for failing to pay off a $460,000 loan

Atlanta has signed Troy Glaus to play first base. Their offseason is still far from over, however.

Around MLB

Annie and Nuke break up. I wonder if Crash still has a chance.

The Daily News named Derek Jeter its New Yorker of the Year for being an inspiration to the children.

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Nick Cafardo's column is aptly named:

Apropos of Nothing. That’s exactly what is in his head.

by aparkermarshall on Dec 28, 2009 8:53 AM EST reply actions  

Stuff

Where does Beiruit fit in everything? Anyway, I find it pretty interesting that, according to the poll on the Daily News website in that article there, as of right now, 73% of those who voted don’t think that the organization is going to bring ANYONE in.

There’s no way that Ben Sheets makes that much money. As I said elsewhere, Justin Duchscherererererererer signed for a $5.5 million dollar, one-year contract. He’s pretty much in the same boat as Ben Sheets- a high-risk, high-reward, one-year signing. Sheets can hold out, but eventually, where ever he goes, I think that he’ll sign a contract similar to Duchscherererererererer’s.

I’m not too fond about Pat Flood’s article about making Parnell a starter again. Unlike Pelfrey, Parnell is a power pitcher, so most of his lack of success was his own fault, proverbially speaking. While he could start, in theory, I actually like Parnell in the bullpen. He provides that Matt Lindstrom-esque power arm. If I wanted to “convert” Parnell into a starting pitcher capable in the Major Leagues, I’d send him down to AAA to work on his control and/or secondary pitches. With the way the organization seems to be progressing with him, it doesn’t seem as if they’d do that. With that in mind, I’d rather keep him in the ‘pen. If we’re going to “transform” him, we need to give him the time to work on whatever it is that he needs work on in an environment where he can work on it- not by “stretching him out” in the Majors, like we did last season.

Who is Nick Cafardo, and why isn’t David Wright a fit anymore? Why didn’t I get the memo?

That’s a nice move by the Nats, landing Capps. Again, to those who think it, the Nats are not going to surpass the Mets in the standings, when 2010 is said and done, but that signing only strengthens the team. Before we signed our Japanese guy whose name is escaping me, I was in favor of signing either him, or MacDougal. Since that signing, we didn’t necessarily need to spend the money, but…

And, I’m sure that there’s at least ONE person more worthy of being named the New Yorker of the Year than Derek Jeter. I mean, I respect the guy for all he’s done, and whatever else, but…come on. I’m pretty sure that, in all of 2009, someone exists out there who contributed more to the world than Derek Jeter.

"Blinding ignorance does mislead us. O! Wretched mortals, open your eyes!"
Gil Hodges IS a Hall of Famer.

by Brooklyn Dodgers Mets Fan on Dec 28, 2009 9:09 AM EST reply actions  

Duscherererer actually signed for 2 million.

"We're just as bad as the old Mets, but this time nobody's laughing"
-Dallas Green

by Stephen Schmidt on Dec 28, 2009 7:02 PM EST up reply actions  

That's right; He can get that much only if he reaches all of those incentives.

Even better, in keeping Sheets’ price down.

"Blinding ignorance does mislead us. O! Wretched mortals, open your eyes!"
Gil Hodges IS a Hall of Famer.

by Brooklyn Dodgers Mets Fan on Dec 28, 2009 10:33 PM EST up reply actions  

Annie was a dime-store prostitute

and Bull Durham was a horrible movie. It almost cancels out Field of Dreams.

by Jamesir Bensonmum on Dec 28, 2009 9:57 AM EST reply actions  

sleeping around

doesn’t make someone a prostitute. She didn’t take any money from these guys. She was an english professor who likely made more than Crash did.

by wobatus on Dec 28, 2009 10:55 AM EST up reply actions  

She wasn't a professor

She was a substitute teacher

"I've been trying transcendental meditation, and that helps me be passive and wait on the curve. I've got to find something else to hit the slider." - George (The Stork) Theodore

by StorkFan on Dec 28, 2009 11:28 AM EST up reply actions  

oh well

maybe she made less than Crash even. Nevertheless, I don’t think she was a hoor. I knew I was going to regret even commenting on that post.

by wobatus on Dec 28, 2009 11:37 AM EST up reply actions  

Agree with you on the other part

I’m just a nitpicker at heart and if something is IMO obviously wrong, I’ll say it. No offense meant.

"I've been trying transcendental meditation, and that helps me be passive and wait on the curve. I've got to find something else to hit the slider." - George (The Stork) Theodore

by StorkFan on Dec 28, 2009 11:40 AM EST up reply actions  

none taken

It’s just that this is a kinda “why bother” comment on my part. I didn’t want to get into the whole question of taste as to which movie is preferable. Some friends of mine worked on Bull Durham, but just as glorified interns. One of them went on to become a director himself, Peyton Reed. I was living in Chapel Hill when it was made. I remember one young woman who worked on it and she told me how old Susan Sarandon looked. And I was like, of course, she’s over 40. And she said she looks even older.

Now we’re both 45 and Sarandon looks pretty damn good for a 63 year old.

by wobatus on Dec 28, 2009 11:54 AM EST up reply actions  

Peyton Reed

I found “Bring It On” entertaining

by James Kannengieser on Dec 28, 2009 12:32 PM EST up reply actions  

Yeah

That did well for him. I like that he worked the Clash in somehow.

Peyton was also the original drummer in a Triangle area band called Johnny Quest. Here he is goofing off in an acoustic version of Stepping Stone on spring break in 1986 (also with some footage spliced in of a college-era video). I think this link should work, but forgive this luddite if it doesn’t:

http://www.facebook.com/home.php?#/video/video.php?v=60668507097

by wobatus on Dec 28, 2009 1:02 PM EST up reply actions  

Good lord

aren’t you a charmer?

by SuperT on Dec 28, 2009 12:01 PM EST up reply actions   1 recs

...........Yeah I would say Nick Cafardo is an idiot

1. Seems like David Wright is no longer a great fit for the Mets (because of Citi Field), but he would be for the Red Sox (because of Fenway);

…Is this the same guy that started the whole-the Redsox might revisit signing Jason Bay-nonsense?

by Coolpapabell on Dec 28, 2009 10:03 AM EST reply actions  

If Jason Bay would rather sign in Boston

Which we all knew anyway (if he had any interest in signing with the mets, he would have already) can we trade for Mike Cameron? What rules are there regarding trading a just signed player? Is it an etiquette thing, since players would be scared to sign somewhere if they could get traded right after?

by djg2111 on Dec 28, 2009 10:06 AM EST reply actions  

I believe it would be a pretty scummy thing to do. It would be funny if he were traded to the Mets, and not a bad move. I would do this if they sox sign Bay,which is highly unlikley.

by Coolpapabell on Dec 28, 2009 10:16 AM EST up reply actions  

Eh, I don't agree that he would have signed already if he "had interest".

It’s still only December, and guys that Boras represents squeeze out every last cent possible, have teams bid against each other, twist in the wind, and all that. I don’t actually think that he is going to sign here, but I wouldn’t expect the cream of the crop (in him, and Holliday) to be among the first people signing deals with teams.

"Blinding ignorance does mislead us. O! Wretched mortals, open your eyes!"
Gil Hodges IS a Hall of Famer.

by Brooklyn Dodgers Mets Fan on Dec 28, 2009 10:28 AM EST up reply actions  

Boras/Bay

I don’t think Boras is his agent.

by wobatus on Dec 28, 2009 11:39 AM EST up reply actions  

Correct

Boras represents Holiday, not Bay.

by borasblog on Dec 28, 2009 3:25 PM EST up reply actions  

Consider me thoroughly schooled.

I thought he represented both.

"Blinding ignorance does mislead us. O! Wretched mortals, open your eyes!"
Gil Hodges IS a Hall of Famer.

by Brooklyn Dodgers Mets Fan on Dec 28, 2009 4:36 PM EST up reply actions  

I don't think you're allowed to trade a newly signed free agent until midseason

At least, i think this used to be the rule, not sure if it still is.

"I've been trying transcendental meditation, and that helps me be passive and wait on the curve. I've got to find something else to hit the slider." - George (The Stork) Theodore

by StorkFan on Dec 28, 2009 11:29 AM EST up reply actions  

Why would Boston trade him

Bay is pretty awful defensively and they’ll likely end up moving him to dh

"We have a plan, and our plan, I like our plan'

it's Omar's world, we're just livin in it.

by Gina on Dec 28, 2009 12:34 PM EST up reply actions  

parnell does not equal pelfrey

that article is based on the premise that both throw the fb a lot so parnell should be able to have the same amount of success as pelfrey, which obviously just is not true.

the only pitch that allows a pitcher to be an effective “one pitch pitcher” is a heavy sinker; look at joel pineiro this season. and pelfrey’s got one, parnell does not. parnell’s fb, while registering in the high 90’s, is relatively straight and he relies on it for different reasons than pelfrey. parnell throws the fb over 70% of the time not because it’s effective to, but because his secondary stuff is so lousy. the result is hitters sitting on the fb and parnell getting hit. despite what that article says, theres no way he can be a good starter anytime soon.

by Rob Castellano on Dec 28, 2009 10:31 AM EST reply actions  

i agree

if you want to be a successful starter you need 3 pitches. 1 great, 2 good. More great ones you have, the better pitcher you are (generally… there are exceptions).

Parnell had a shot last season and he was awful. Seems like he can be a very good pen guy though. I think its more the author then the pitcher here, but I hope it doesnt turn into another heilman situation.

by gbaked on Dec 28, 2009 10:41 AM EST up reply actions  

Agreed

"I've been trying transcendental meditation, and that helps me be passive and wait on the curve. I've got to find something else to hit the slider." - George (The Stork) Theodore

by StorkFan on Dec 28, 2009 11:28 AM EST up reply actions  

Hold on there - Author

If you go back and re-read what I wrote, I’m pretty sure I was careful not to say “Bobby Parnell would definitely be a successful starting pitcher.” I think Parnell is best served in the bullpen because he’s a one-pitch pitcher, and that one pitch is not a heavy sinker. I think Parnell will have a decent career out of the bullpen – but if he ever get control over his slider, I wouldn’t be surprised if he became a starter. I don’t think it’s likely, but I wouldn’t be surprised.

On the other hand, I’m not sure if I’m as hopeful for Mike Pelfrey as some other Mets fans. If you look at Pelf’s Fangraphs “fan projections”, people are predicting career highs for Mike in everything – Mets fans have him as a 4 WAR pitcher in 2010. I have to disagree. Really successful sinkerball pitchers, like Derek Lowe, Tim Hudson and circa 2009 Joel Pineiro, all throw heavier sinkers than Pelfrey, and throw them less. Pelfrey is also getting about 50% ground balls, whereas those three I mentioned are around 60% or higher, so I’m not so sure that Pelfrey is exactly a ground ball machine. Derek Lowe was a successful one pitch starter for the Red Sox in 2002-04, before he figured out a slider, but his lowest GB% from those three years was 62.3%. Pelf just isn’t the same kind of pitcher, and if he’s not striking more people out than those guys, I don’t think he’s ever going to see the same kind of success. I’m not saying he’s going to be bad, just that I don’t think he’s as good as the people making projections over at Fangraphs think. My own guess is that Pelfrey is going to gobble up ~200 IP and be about an average pitcher – so maybe 2 – 3 WAR.

by FlashFlood on Dec 28, 2009 12:36 PM EST up reply actions  

The comparison was closer than I would've guessed

In particular, I would not have guessed that Parnell’s GB% would be up there with Pelf’s. However, I don’t think you can just directly compare Pelfrey’s numbers (accumulated almost entirely as a starter) with Parnell’s numbers (almost entirely as a reliever) like that. Almost any pitcher, if you were to move him from the rotation to the bullpen, would see his stats improve because he can dial it up a few notches.

But you can’t really compare Parnell’s split stats just as a starter with anything and draw meaningful conclusions because the sample size is so small, I don’t think. I’d have to imagine if he spent a full season as a starter, his overall performance would be somewhere in between what he’s done as a reliever and what he did over those eight starts.

by JoshNY on Dec 28, 2009 2:25 PM EST up reply actions  

I only meant

that this is a topic come to discussion from the author, not from a parnell quote.

by gbaked on Dec 28, 2009 5:36 PM EST up reply actions  

Ben Sheets is not in touch with Reality

Ollie money? Really? You’ll have to do better than that Sir.

"I reject your reality and substitute my own"
-Adam Savage

by blueandorange4life on Dec 28, 2009 12:17 PM EST reply actions  

I can't imagine

any team will be willing to give him $12M guaranteed rather than a contract with a more moderate base and significant incentives.

Which makes me a little nervous that the Yankees will go “well hell, what’s another $12M? let’s sign him too.”

by JoshNY on Dec 28, 2009 2:32 PM EST up reply actions  

Didn't Jeter not pay NYC taxes because he claimed residence in Florida, even hough he lived mostly in NYC?`

Either I’m way off or he’d an inspiration to all the future tax evaders.

The Mets lobby Omar for a plan, and his plan, he likes his plan. The problem is that he didn't write his plan down 'cause that makes it paperwork, and that’s false hustle... Know what I’m sayin’?

by Evan_S on Dec 28, 2009 3:06 PM EST reply actions  

Case is still pending

last time I checked,,,maybe someone else has been following it more closely

"I've been trying transcendental meditation, and that helps me be passive and wait on the curve. I've got to find something else to hit the slider." - George (The Stork) Theodore

by StorkFan on Dec 28, 2009 3:47 PM EST up reply actions  

I thought he settled.

I could be wrong.

"He's definitely mixing it into his repertoire. That's French for 'repertoire' " - Keith Hernandez

by Catsmeat Potter-Pirbright on Dec 28, 2009 3:49 PM EST up reply actions  

Oh and it was actually state tax, not city

"I've been trying transcendental meditation, and that helps me be passive and wait on the curve. I've got to find something else to hit the slider." - George (The Stork) Theodore

by StorkFan on Dec 28, 2009 3:52 PM EST up reply actions  

i'd like to see parnell in the rotation

he’s my favorite player on the team

A "Zeile" for avoiding outs

by metsguy234 on Dec 28, 2009 4:24 PM EST reply actions  

I would.

"Blinding ignorance does mislead us. O! Wretched mortals, open your eyes!"
Gil Hodges IS a Hall of Famer.

by Brooklyn Dodgers Mets Fan on Dec 28, 2009 4:36 PM EST up reply actions  

I think we all would, but doesn't that go without saying?

I feel like we would all say “I would rather see the team win the World Series with X than miss the playoffs with Y” for just about any values of X and Y. I mean, I think Francoeur sucks, but I would rather see the team win with him than lose with someone else. It’s self-fulfilling. But the point is that I’d rather see the team with someone else because I think that makes it more likely that they’d win.

Similarly, I think it’s more likely that the Mets will win with Parnell in the bullpen than in the rotation, though I guess it depends on what other acquisitions they make.

by JoshNY on Dec 28, 2009 4:39 PM EST up reply actions   1 recs

the point I was trying to make is that

Parnell is more valuable as a reliever than as a starter, at least for now.

you know what I'm sayin' ?

by fxcarden on Dec 28, 2009 7:34 PM EST up reply actions  

Your favorite player is Parnell and you hate Reyes????

I don’t get it.

"We're just as bad as the old Mets, but this time nobody's laughing"
-Dallas Green

by Stephen Schmidt on Dec 28, 2009 4:41 PM EST up reply actions  

To be fair...

WAR-wise, Sheets had a better year than Ollie (-0.8). So, in Mets dollars, he might actually be undervaluing himself.

by LeiterMilnerFasterStronger on Dec 28, 2009 6:51 PM EST reply actions   1 recs

I actually thought that when I saw some of the comments

I mean if Ollie is worth Ollie money Sheets is worth billions.

"We have a plan, and our plan, I like our plan'

it's Omar's world, we're just livin in it.

by Gina on Dec 28, 2009 6:55 PM EST up reply actions  

Anybody hear Francesa on WFAN?

He said that he will give Mets listeners a “major, major update” on the Mets tomorrow (12/29).

"Never throw a slider to The Glider."

- Ed Charles, No. 5

by The Glider on Dec 29, 2009 12:01 AM EST reply actions  

it's so major that he has to wait a day to break the story?

"We have a plan, and our plan, I like our plan'

it's Omar's world, we're just livin in it.

by Gina on Dec 29, 2009 12:06 AM EST up reply actions  

The Mets still suck

Hahahahahaha

"Blinding ignorance does mislead us. O! Wretched mortals, open your eyes!"
Gil Hodges IS a Hall of Famer.

by Brooklyn Dodgers Mets Fan on Dec 29, 2009 12:06 AM EST up reply actions  

LOL.

"Never throw a slider to The Glider."

- Ed Charles, No. 5

by The Glider on Dec 29, 2009 1:28 AM EST up reply actions  

Hot Stove on MLB-TV is reporting

that Cards have offered Holliday $80 M/5 years and don’t feel they have to go any higher because no other team has made an offer. So, would have rather have Bey at let’s say 4 years/$70 million or Holliday at 5 yrs./$90 million?

"Never throw a slider to The Glider."

- Ed Charles, No. 5

by The Glider on Dec 29, 2009 1:31 AM EST reply actions  

5 years at 90 million is a steal for Holliday.

The Mets lobby Omar for a plan, and his plan, he likes his plan. The problem is that he didn't write his plan down 'cause that makes it paperwork, and that’s false hustle... Know what I’m sayin’?

by Evan_S on Dec 29, 2009 2:16 AM EST up reply actions  

OK, but hold on

If the Cards offered 5/$80M because they don’t feel the need to go higher because nobody else has made an offer, that doesn’t preclude the possibility that they’d be willing to go 5/$95M if the Mets were to offer 5/$90M.

by JoshNY on Dec 29, 2009 1:24 PM EST up reply actions  

Would they be able to afford that much?

They’re a middle market team right? How big of a payroll can they sustain? Especially when they have to re-up Pujols. I imagine if the AAV gets much higher they actually would have to do something like 8/120 in order to stay within their payroll limits.

"We have a plan, and our plan, I like our plan'

it's Omar's world, we're just livin in it.

by Gina on Dec 29, 2009 1:31 PM EST up reply actions  

I don't really know whether or not they can

My point was just that the implication would seem to be that 5/$80M isn’t the most they’re willing to pay (and logically, why would it be, there’s no need to lead with your final offer), it’s just where they are right now as the only team currently bidding. (Taking it to the extreme, presumably they would up their offer if the Mets were to counter-bid at 5/$81M, for example.)

by JoshNY on Dec 29, 2009 2:22 PM EST up reply actions  

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