Mets Top Prospects: #20 Dillon Gee
Back by popular demand, Sam and Mark's (but not James's) top prospect list. Clocking in at #20, Dillon Gee. For those of you new to the show, here's how the countdown has gone so far:
Vitals
Born: April 28, 1986
Physical Stats: 6'1" 195 lbs
Position: Starting Pitcher
Bats/Throws: R/R
Drafted: 21st Round 2007, University of Texas-Arlington
Most Recent Team: Buffalo Bisons
Scouting Report
Gee has the unfortunate stigma of being a small right handed pitcher with a mediocre fastball. Despite the adversity, he has made his way to the upper levels of the system and had some success. His upside is still severely limited by his lack of a quality fastball or a dominant secondary pitch, but he has already defied the curve a bit by making it as far as he has. Delivering from a fairly high arm angle, one of Gee's strengths is an arsenal that has some depth, despite its lack of dominance. He throws three different pitches, a fastball that generally sits 89-91 mph with some movement, a solid changeup, and usable slider. Though none of the three pitches grades as an above-average major league pitch, he commands them all well, and can throw all three for strikes in any count. The changeup in particular had helped him manage left handed batters before he reached Triple-A. Unfortunately, Gee was shut down after a May 25th start with a strained right shoulder. There was initially a report that he would undergo surgery to have his labrum repaired, but it was eventually decided he would opt for rehab rather than surgery. There's been little news on Gee lately, but reports were that he should be ready to start throwing well before Spring Training.
Statistics
Traditional
| Year | Lvl | IP | BF | H | R | HR | K | BB | K% | BB% | K/BB | ERA | FIP |
|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|
| 2007 | BKLN | 62.0 | 250 | 57 | 17 | 1 |
56 | 9 | 22.4% | 3.6% | 6.22 | 2.47 | 2.44 |
| 2008 | SLU | 127.3 | 510 | 117 | 49 | 6 | 94 | 19 | 18.4% | 3.7% | 2.58 | 3.25 | 3.10 |
| 2008 | BIN | 27.0 | 101 | 18 | 4 | 1 | 20 | 5 | 17.8% | 5.0% | 4.00 | 1.33 | 3.03 |
| 2009 | BUF | 48.1 | 209 | 47 | 22 | 5 | 42 | 16 | 20.1% | 7.7% | 2.65 | 4.10 | 3.93 |
Batted-ball
| Year | LVL | GB% | LD% | FB% | BABIP | HR/FB% | tRA |
|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|
| 2007 | BKLN | 46.6% | 12.0% | 40.3% | 0.325 | 1.3% | |
| 2008 | SLU | 39.4% | 12.9% | 37.1% | 0.288 | 3.4% | 3.07 |
| 2009 | BIN | 45.3% | 14.7% | 29.3% | 0.230 | 3.4% | 3.08 |
| 2009 | BUF | 39.7% | 19.9% | 30.1% | 0.298 | 8.5% | 4.42 |
Mark Says
The injury is a pretty significant setback for Gee. He's kept his peripheral numbers strong as he's moved through the upper levels. His walk rate in Triple-A was really the last hurdle he had to climb before earning himself a real shot at a spot on the big league roster. Command was his big strength prior to this year, but it regressed to merely average against the hitters of the International League. Because he doesn't have a dominant GB% and because its hard to imagine him maintaining his solid K% against major league hitters, limiting free passes is absolutely essential to Gee's success. Now he has to start all over again and prove that the limited arm-strength he had prior to the injury is still there along with his command. Its possible that he could pick up where he left off, but hardly certain. He could have been a really nice option going into 2010 if he had a healthy 2009, but now future big league success is harder to predict for Gee than it was a year ago. Given his skillset, its also worth mentioning that Gee probably doesn't have relief pitching as a built in alternative if he doesn't last as a starter. His lack of a truly dominant pitch would limit his usefulness in the pen as much as in the rotation, if not more. That's not to say he couldn't wind up in a major league bullpen, just that relief pitching isn't really an automatic "floor" for Gee the way it is for some of the harder throwing arms in the upper levels.
Sam Sez
It's kind of surprising how well Gee's pitched to this point in his career, but his is a classic case of the stuff not matching the peripherals. The two ways to limit your walk rate include throwing quality strikes and throwing hittable pitches. If you believe the minor league batted-ball data, it appears Gee's opponents in single-A had trouble making solid contact, but the more advanced competition wasn't fooled. As Gee pitches in AAA, and maybe later the majors, he'll face the basic problem for all soft-tossers--how to balance throwing strikes and getting shelled. Whether or not this paradox keeps Gee out of the major-league rotation will largely depend on whether he can maintain his extreme homerun-suppression.
Fun With Comps
Scott Boras says: Steve Trachsel
This is probably the extent of Gee's upside. He's similar to Trachsel in size, and doesn't yet have a put-away pitch as effective as Trachsel's splitter. The minor league track record is telling though. Like Gee, Trachsel was drafted out of college to little fanfare, but thanks to very good command and decent strikeout totals, he moved up the ladder fairly quickly. He would pitch a full and effective Triple-A season at age 22 before beginning his major league career the following season. Though he couldn't sustain his peripheral rates from the minors, he still managed to be an effective pitcher for quite a long time, throwing at least 170 innings per season for nine straight years (1996-2004). If Gee is to carve himself out a sustained major league career, this is very likely what it will look like.
Impartial Observer says: Julian Tavarez
Hey, if the whole starter thing doesn't work out, there's always the bullpen. While Tavarez never had the success of Trachsel, he stayed around longer, partly because the Nationals are desperate, but mostly because of his willingness to work from the bullpen, often for years at a time. The extra MPH or two gained from shorter assignments could be the boost needed to keep the ball in the park and, often enough, in a fielder's glove.
Steve Phillips says: Nelson Figueroa
Not even Mr. Phillips can deny that if he so chooses, Gee could probably have a long and fruitful professional career, just not necessarily in the major leagues. Like Gee, Figgy's early professional career included a minor league path that looked like it could lead to back-end-starterdom. His strengths were lack of a glaring weakness, and he managed to throw enough strikes with his underwhelming stuff to put up pretty consistent numbers in Triple-A, though never any higher. He eventually moved on to the international scene, pitching Mexico, Taiwan, and Venezuela before returning to the American minor leagues and essentially resuming his career as a Triple-A hurler. If Gee never becomes a major league starter but wants to remain in professional baseball, it wouldn't be at all surprising to see him explore alternative markets like this.
Conclusion
Much of Gee's value is tied into the fact that he's already made it as far as he has. If not for the injury, he'd look like a great candidate to be a useful back of the rotation type, and not much less. He'd go a long way towards making an addition like John Garland or Jason Marquis seem superfluous, even if Gee began the year back in Triple-A. In particular, he'd really help offset the risk in having Maine in the rotation. But because of the injury his future is a bit less clear. Almost every pitcher we'll discuss here has more upside than Gee, but few look as likely to have major league careers as Gee did before he was shut down. How much of that certainty remains is exactly what Gee will set out to prove in 2010.
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i was just wondering this list like 2 days ago
glad you restarted it
as for gee, i’m expecting/hoping for brian bannister-like performance, stabilizing the back end of the rotation for cheap years to come.
Shuffle off to Buffalo.
Even without the injury, he clearly needed to see more than 48 innings against AAA hitters. And if he recovers fully and pitches well, he becomes a nice insurance policy for the back end of the rotation. Although the biggest problem at Buffalo last year (from the big club’s perspective) was not the lack of replacement-level or better pitching, but the absence of any remotely capable hitters to plug the many holes created by injuries.
Niesen
I like Eric Niesen over Gee for the upside, with downside being serviceable Loogy.
If I recall
Niesen’s pitches have crazy movement
The Mets lobby Omar for a plan, and his plan, he likes his plan. The problem is that he didn't write his plan down 'cause that makes it paperwork, and that’s false hustle... Know what I’m sayin’?
On Gee
“If you believe the minor league batted-ball data, it appears Gee’s opponents in single-A had trouble making solid contact, but the more advanced competition wasn’t fooled”
This really shows in the line drive rate, which jumped to 19.9%. HRs were up a bit as well. But, he did continue to get swings and misses at a good rate, with a healthy 20% of PA ending in strikeouts, 16.75% swinging. His percent of pitches for swinging strikes was even more impressive:
http://www.statcorner.com/leader.php?type=6&year=2009&leag=INT&limit=100
That is, he ranked only behind David Hernandez, Jeremy Hellickson, Kris Medlin, Tommy Hanson, Ian Snell, Clay Buchholz, and Carlos Carrasco in that league. Five of those guys have already experienced some big legue success, and Hellickson is probably the best bet in prospect land to join them in the next year.
So Gee prior to the injury did look like a good bet to have some kind of career. Part of it is that he never was that much a soft tosser. When I saw him he was around 90 mph, but seemed to have 91-92 when he needed it, and often took off a bit for more movement. Not great velocity for a RHP, but good enough to pitch off.
So the question is whether the labrum issue will cost velocity. One positive with both Gee and Coultas, who was shut down with a similar injury, is that neither really seemed to have lost effectiveness before being shut down. Hopefully that means that they were shut down without too much damage being done. It is possible nowadays to monitor these guys regularly, testing for shoulder strength, and prevent more serious injuries. But I definitely don’t trust this organization lately with regard to injury prognosis, so I remain skeptical.




























