Mets Reportedly Sign Bengie Molina for Two Years
by Sam Page on Dec 29, 2009 6:21 PM EST
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PrintPer ESPN 1050 via Pat Andriola, the Mets have signed Bengie Molina. We're waiting for confirmation on this one, but if true, will probably be a bad move. In the meantime, what do you think of this lineup?
- Reyes
- Castillo
- Wright
- Bay
- Beltran
- Francoeur
- Murphy
- Molina
6:22pm by Eric: If there's a vesting option worth $10 million for 2012 I'll cry.
8:37pm by Mark: Ken Davidoff denies the rumor in an article discussing the Bay signing.
The key, now, is for the Mets to stick to their notion of fiscal responsibility. Don't guarantee Bengie Molina two years (the current offer stands at one year and an option - ignore the inaccurate reports that the two sides are closing in on a two-year deal)
I guess its still a wait-and-see thing, but for now, I'm assuming we're allowed to let out a collective sigh of relief.
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2 years
$12 mil is too much, but not that awful. I think we need to make sure he doesn’t find out about Shake Shack though.
I think I'd prefer 1/10 to 2/12.
"We're just as bad as the old Mets, but this time nobody's laughing"
-Dallas Green
by Stephen Schmidt on Dec 29, 2009 6:24 PM EST up reply actions
Its pretty bad
"All energy flows according to the whims of the great magnet
What a fool I was to defy him"
-HST
by Mark Himmelstein on Dec 29, 2009 8:32 PM EST up reply actions
NOOOOOOOOO!!!!!
Thole is playing great in winter ball, give our C a chance
We do not have to splash like drunken sailer save the money for a Sheet is much better
Everyone has complained about the Mets being too top-heavy
And this lineup is the best representation of that problem. This is as good as the 2007-2008 team — just replace Bay with Delgado and you have a slight upgrade. Francoeur, Molina and Murphy are all a good bet to be ineffectual, while eating up 3 important spots in the lineup and ~$11M in salary.
www.twitter.com/willDavidian
The lineup did just get heavier...
"We're just as bad as the old Mets, but this time nobody's laughing"
-Dallas Green
by Stephen Schmidt on Dec 29, 2009 6:26 PM EST up reply actions
Yeah, funny, but at this point I'm done laughing.
We all expected this to happen, but it actually happened and I’m still upset. He’s garbage and makes the team worse in every conceivable way other than MOAR HOMERZ.
www.twitter.com/willDavidian
by All Shook Down on Dec 29, 2009 6:29 PM EST up reply actions
If it's a 1 year deal, I won't be too upset.
He’s not the starting catcher I want, but I feel Blanco and Thole will provide nice depth there when Molina fails. Just keep it to 1 year.
"We're just as bad as the old Mets, but this time nobody's laughing"
-Dallas Green
by Stephen Schmidt on Dec 29, 2009 6:30 PM EST up reply actions
But he's not even better than Chris Coste or Brian Schneider.
He’ll make $6M when he deserves no more than $1M. His money is better off used on a first baseman than can hit or a starting pitcher.
www.twitter.com/willDavidian
by All Shook Down on Dec 29, 2009 6:35 PM EST up reply actions
I can't get behind this statment, those 2 guys are bums.
by BigBoyJacobs on Dec 29, 2009 6:43 PM EST up reply actions
Bengie is the biggest bum...literally.
Hahahaha…no seriously, he sucks. He is very, very bad.
"I dunno. I never smoked any Astroturf"
-Tug McGraw
What ?.
At 52 with a bad back, I am better than Schneider and maybe better than Coste.
Molina, at the very least, has a lot of mass.
you know what I'm sayin' ?
"Molina, at the very least, has a lot of mass."
So much mass he has his own gravitational pull
Asking a General Manager to slim down his budget is like asking an alcoholic to blow up a distillery.
by scott from peekskill on Dec 29, 2009 10:45 PM EST up reply actions
Gotta help with the passed balls, no?
"Blinding ignorance does mislead us. O! Wretched mortals, open your eyes!"
Gil Hodges IS a Hall of Famer.
by Brooklyn Dodgers Mets Fan on Dec 29, 2009 10:45 PM EST up reply actions
I gotta disagree with that.
At the very least he’s better than Schnieder and Coste.
"We're just as bad as the old Mets, but this time nobody's laughing"
-Dallas Green
by Stephen Schmidt on Dec 29, 2009 7:08 PM EST up reply actions
Schneider barely played and had like a .200 BABIP
But still managed to put up a higher OBP than Bengie Molina. Molina can’t walk, run, move or throw. He has average to good power, which is his only good baseball skill. Schneider was a useful player for the Mets if people just tempered their expectations for him.
Coste, I don’t care what anyone says, is a better hitter than Bengie Molina.
www.twitter.com/willDavidian
by All Shook Down on Dec 29, 2009 7:21 PM EST up reply actions
Do we know the distance of his homers?
do we know how many of his homers last year would have left citi?
He's a pig, what the hell does it matter?
He’ll hit the ball high off the left field wall and get thrown out running to first base. 7-3 putout.
www.twitter.com/willDavidian
by All Shook Down on Dec 29, 2009 6:41 PM EST up reply actions
Most to LF
All but three were struck to the left side. Longest was estimated at 425’ with an average of 397’. Probably about 12 would have been over the fence at Citifield. In 2008, 14 of the 16 HRs were to left of centre at an average of 391’.
all in favor of referring to mr. molina henceforth as "fat albert" say aye
aye
A "Zeile" for avoiding outs
by metsguy234 on Dec 29, 2009 6:27 PM EST reply actions 2 recs
If he does the truffle shuffle at his press conference, I might be ok with a 2 year deal.
"We're just as bad as the old Mets, but this time nobody's laughing"
-Dallas Green
by Stephen Schmidt on Dec 29, 2009 6:28 PM EST up reply actions 4 recs
Rec'd
If he makes it his HR trot, I’m buying an authentic FatBengie jersey.
by LeiterMilnerFasterStronger on Dec 29, 2009 7:09 PM EST up reply actions
Or a seismometer.
"Blinding ignorance does mislead us. O! Wretched mortals, open your eyes!"
Gil Hodges IS a Hall of Famer.
by Brooklyn Dodgers Mets Fan on Dec 30, 2009 10:14 AM EST up reply actions
Just to clarify
it was “close to signing:”
http://twitter.com/tuftspat/status/7174857105
And it was Rich Coutinho who reported it on 1050
WE'RE FINALLY IN!
Everybody get in there, and read Pat’s tweets for FREEZ!
by LeiterMilnerFasterStronger on Dec 29, 2009 7:10 PM EST up reply actions
Still no defensive upgrade.
Mets’ Rank (DER)
2006 – 2nd
2007 – 5th
2008 – 6th
2009 – 13th
This lineup is no better than last year defensively. I would hazard a guess that it’s significantly worse, assuming more regression on Castillo’s end.
We will get better production from LF next year. I guess the addition of Reyes makes the defense a lot better. Could Wright be that bad at third again? Murphy is not a bad fielding first baseman. So yeah, I actually think our infield defense will improve. A healthy Beltran helps in CF.
by Coolpapabell on Dec 29, 2009 6:42 PM EST up reply actions
A healthy Reyes will definitely help even if he isn’t the defensive beast people thought he’d become. If Wright can break even in UZR and we can upgrade Castillo then the IF defense should be very good. An Evans/Murphy platoon at 1B could easily give a positive UZR.
Wright – Reyes – Philips – Murphy would definitely be a positive infield defense in terms of UZR. Castillo is just murdering this club in so many ways.
What do I think of the lineup ?
Swap Beltran and Wright, replace Castillo with Hudson and I’ll be happy.
you know what I'm sayin' ?
Agree w/ the swap.
I’d rather Beltran bat 4th to break up the parade of righties and to get more speed on the bases. Bay’s not a base-clogger, but he can’t take the extra base as often as Beltran and is not a real SB threat. I’d also be tempted to flip Murphy and Francouer, again to avoid bunching righties together and to make the opposing manager’s bullpen moves a bit harder.
by madisonmetsfan on Dec 30, 2009 9:40 AM EST up reply actions
Omar get get to work on the pitching
He wasted the first month and a half chasing after Molina.
----Warner----
-------13-------
by Scent of a Woman on Dec 29, 2009 6:35 PM EST reply actions
How out of shape is Omar, if it took him a month and a half to catch Bengie Molina?
"Blinding ignorance does mislead us. O! Wretched mortals, open your eyes!"
Gil Hodges IS a Hall of Famer.
by Brooklyn Dodgers Mets Fan on Dec 29, 2009 10:47 PM EST up reply actions
Well, Molina has been approaching us with steady persistence of a steam roller
by Coolpapabell on Dec 29, 2009 6:38 PM EST reply actions 8 recs
NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO!
Get out of the way!
If there's ever a riot at Citi Field and Oliver Perez was the starter, I started the riot.
It's K-K-K-Ken c-c-c-coming to k-k-k-kill me.
Asking a General Manager to slim down his budget is like asking an alcoholic to blow up a distillery.
by scott from peekskill on Dec 29, 2009 10:52 PM EST up reply actions
so much for Josh Thole
It would’ve been nice to give him a shot given his competition isn’t exactly the 2nd coming of Johnny Bench.
Somehow, a chain of events unfolded that put Steve Phillips in a professional broadcast booth Sunday night so he could rip Carlos Beltran. Try to explain that in any other terms.
he's not ready.
why do people insist on rushing players. look at what happened when they rushed Pelfrey.
you know what I'm sayin' ?
he had a lousy 2007
And then he was fine in 2008. Again, I’m only saying that Thole should be given a shot because the competition (Santos, Coste, Molina) sucks.
Somehow, a chain of events unfolded that put Steve Phillips in a professional broadcast booth Sunday night so he could rip Carlos Beltran. Try to explain that in any other terms.
by Greenpoint Ian on Dec 29, 2009 6:51 PM EST up reply actions
Look on the bright side
He’s old, maybe he’ll get hurt. I’d rearrange the lineup like so:
Reyes
Murph (I still think either Omar gets Delgado, or Davis is starting by August)
Wright
Beltran
Bay
French/Pagan
Molina
Castillo (I’ve heard the argument “he only works in the 2 spot” and I don’t buy it. A 2 hitter has to get more than 15 extra base hits a year.
i liked murph in the 2 spot
last year.
Stat guys are prob gonna prove me wrong, but i feel like Murphy is good at recognizing good pitches to hit, and gets them more in teh 2 spot. I like him better as a high avg guy with a good obp then a power guy, and the 2 spot will be better for him to do that.
Think you need a very patient hitter
to let Reyes run
Asking a General Manager to slim down his budget is like asking an alcoholic to blow up a distillery.
by scott from peekskill on Dec 29, 2009 10:53 PM EST up reply actions
Omar fail!
I don’t think even a facepalm would do any justice to this deal. I guess I should break out my pitchfork and light up my torch.
Beer is good! And stuff!
if it works out we'll all be mad
because they’ll probably get worse next year and then omar will get fired hopefully
CHUUUUUUUUUUUUUCH
if
molina eats bay before we can finalize his contract on monday, this is a good move
"I only wanted a few things out of life -- a wife, children, to play baseball and to hunt deer." - Turk Wendell
by Rey-O on Dec 29, 2009 7:11 PM EST reply actions 8 recs
eh
i basically just recycled an old mo vaughn – roger cedano joke from a few years ago
"I only wanted a few things out of life -- a wife, children, to play baseball and to hunt deer." - Turk Wendell
And big Mo DID eat Cedano!
Asking a General Manager to slim down his budget is like asking an alcoholic to blow up a distillery.
by scott from peekskill on Dec 29, 2009 10:54 PM EST up reply actions
Time to go see if any of the hardware stores carry pitchforks
Before there’s a big run on them.
by BobbyV_Incognito on Dec 29, 2009 7:12 PM EST reply actions
"Fernando, did you hear? Molina just signed for 2/12!"
by LeiterMilnerFasterStronger on Dec 29, 2009 7:23 PM EST reply actions
That's Nieve right?
What ever happen to that guy
DWDLD
by Jadden Hopkins on Dec 29, 2009 7:29 PM EST up reply actions
Early vacation.
Torn right quad.
by LeiterMilnerFasterStronger on Dec 29, 2009 8:05 PM EST up reply actions
Molina and Nieve the starting tandem
on Opening Day at Citi….O.Hudson, and a legit #2 we’re okay, then………
The Mets roster is a room with a four foot ceiling
Castillo, Molina and Cora will make $14M to provide 1 WAR or less. So with no hope at those positions and crap in 1B and RF, again you’re relying on “the core” and high-priced slugger (in this case Bay) to carry the day. This team will win 88 games and fall a game short of the Wild Card again.
It’ll be Reyes’ fault.
www.twitter.com/willDavidian
To clarify, that's 1 WAR or less EACH.
www.twitter.com/willDavidian
by All Shook Down on Dec 29, 2009 7:34 PM EST up reply actions
You realize Molina was 1.8 last season, and routinely is around 2.
Castillo was a 1.6 last season, and he’d have a hard time being much worse defensively.
"We're just as bad as the old Mets, but this time nobody's laughing"
-Dallas Green
by Stephen Schmidt on Dec 29, 2009 7:59 PM EST up reply actions
He was closer to 1
You have to take some of those runs away for defense and baserunning. Less than its made to seem sometimes, but at least 5 or 6.
"All energy flows according to the whims of the great magnet
What a fool I was to defy him"
-HST
by Mark Himmelstein on Dec 29, 2009 8:44 PM EST up reply actions
Molina's defense and baserunning are definitely bad enough to drop him to about 1.
"I dunno. I never smoked any Astroturf"
-Tug McGraw
And his projection makes that even worse, sadly enough.
Dock him half a win for age in 2010, and another half win below that for 2011, and you have a player who projects to put up half a WAR for his $10-12 million.
Ugly stuff.
by SeanSchirmer on Dec 30, 2009 5:21 AM EST up reply actions
Lol I wonder what Thole would be expected to put up over the next 2 years
I can’t imagine it’s worse than .5 WAR., or at least some combination of Thole and Santos cant be worse than that.
"We have a plan, and our plan, I like our plan'
it's Omar's world, we're just livin in it.
Excellent point.
I wouldn’t want to rush Thole, and I think Santos just put up his career year in ’09, but I think there are many better ways to improve the ballclub with 2/12 than signing Molina. Living with Thole and Santos and improving elsewhere is one way to go about that. Signing Greg Zaun for 2.25 would have been vastly better. Adding Henry Blanco and Zaun to the mix gives you substantial depth, a defensive platoon, and an extra 2+ million/year to work magic elsewhere.
I bet you knew that, though.
by SeanSchirmer on Dec 30, 2009 5:51 AM EST up reply actions
He's a Molina.
How can you not have a catcher named Molina?
by Jamesir Bensonmum on Dec 29, 2009 7:34 PM EST reply actions
He's not the Molina you want
I’m a Giants fan and you will definitely be quickly disappointed in Bengie. He’s too slow when he does reach base. And that’s not a given especially since his OBP is so low.
"It ain't over till it's over." - Yogi Berra
Listen to this guy.
Giants have a bottom of the barrel offense and they won’t miss him. Mets will pay him approximately the same amount of money the SFG did!
www.twitter.com/willDavidian
by All Shook Down on Dec 29, 2009 7:38 PM EST up reply actions
Hey
Our offense was better than the Mets last season ;-)
"It ain't over till it's over." - Yogi Berra
Was it really?
Nonetheless, you needed the Mets clubhouse to catch plague for it to happen. Haha.
www.twitter.com/willDavidian
by All Shook Down on Dec 29, 2009 7:45 PM EST up reply actions
We're already disappointed.
Vernon Davis was our first choice.
by Jamesir Bensonmum on Dec 29, 2009 7:41 PM EST up reply actions
if the mets really wanna get smart, and make this a great offseason
they can sign holiday as well.
They do that, and they got me on board… but i need to see a good move, not just a passable one. which most our moves have been.
I am not pissed off at anything. The bay contract is a bit longer then I would like but I dont think its aweful. I would have prefered molina 1 year to 2 (or better yet, 0 years)… but I am not ready to think that this move is the end all be all of bad moves….
Molina could be a nice guy to have on the team for 2 years. I hope thole can take over most days by year 2, and I dont mind Molina as the #2 catcher next year… 3 would be a game changer.
Because he's bad
"We're just as bad as the old Mets, but this time nobody's laughing"
-Dallas Green
by Stephen Schmidt on Dec 29, 2009 8:00 PM EST up reply actions
I think that statement applies to Bengie too, though
"I dunno. I never smoked any Astroturf"
-Tug McGraw
WE WANT OMAR!!
Beer is good! And stuff!
by R_Adragna on Dec 29, 2009 7:52 PM EST reply actions 2 recs
I have to suspect this is an insanely poor decision
Why are the Mets jumping on a non-market? Just because he was asking for three years doesn’t mean they have to meet him in the middle. By that logic, any player they had any kind of interest in could ask for $100 million and reasonably expect a $50 million contract. I wanted them to sign Molina…..if they waited until February and he was still available. That was a risk worth taking. Giving him multiple years or more than $5 million is a mistake from any angle. Poor Josh Thole.
"All energy flows according to the whims of the great magnet
What a fool I was to defy him"
-HST
by Mark Himmelstein on Dec 29, 2009 8:34 PM EST reply actions
Exactly
And you know members of the media and some fans (Metsblog commenters come to mind) will applaud Omar for “holding the line” here, as if 3 years was ever realistic.
by Bieser's Balk on Dec 29, 2009 9:02 PM EST up reply actions
Lineup
It’s good but I would flip-flop Bay and Beltran so you don’t have two righty power guys back to back in the middle of the order.
Here is the ultimate accurate lineup for 2010
SS – Reyes
2B – Castillo (Lets hope the good Luis shows…cuz the Mets cannot move him)
3B- Wright (Please fix your sing and realize Citifield is nothing to fear)
CF- Beltran
LF- Bay (Keep Beltran from walking all the time)
1B- Delgado (1 yr incentive deal)
RF- Frenchy or Pagan
C- Someone till Thole is ready
it actually looks pretty good like that...
"I only wanted a few things out of life -- a wife, children, to play baseball and to hunt deer." - Turk Wendell
i agree
although the delgado thing is a pretty big IF… if he returns to a reasonable form that could be a relatively potent lineup, although our defense looks pretty horrific.
by KeithsMoustache on Dec 29, 2009 11:53 PM EST up reply actions
C- Someone till Thole is ready
That’s what Bengie was to the Giants, until Buster Posey was ready to play.
"It ain't over till it's over." - Yogi Berra
Yeah but I imagine Thole will be ready before Molina's contract expires
"We have a plan, and our plan, I like our plan'
it's Omar's world, we're just livin in it.
No, no, no........
NNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO!!!!!!
Why the hell would we give him 2 years?
Today may be the second darkest day for the Mets
since the dawn of Steve Phillips.
- a sympathetic Yankees fan
Omar heres your challenge
and is now offering Molina a 4th year vesting option, and trading Pagan and Pelfrey for Jose Guillen, who he will then extend 5 years.
He’s also sending Reyes to the Bronx for Jeter.
"We have a plan, and our plan, I like our plan'
it's Omar's world, we're just livin in it.
the dawn of Steve Phillips.
Is that an adult movie?
So, here's some advice I wish I woulda got when I was your age: Live every week like it's Shark Week.
PLEASE GOD NO!
"We're investigating the investigative procedure of the investigation of Tony Bernazard"---Omar Minaya (he really didn't say it but he would"
A message from Omar...
Juanted to let you know I make beeg splash…sign Jason Bay and Bengie “Fat Albert” Molina. Good no? Yes?
Molina make BEEG splash in team hotel pool, entertain Omar. Good no? Yes?
Molina block plate, make us strong in the middle, bring in mucho revenue to concession stands (bonus check for Omar), keeps Omar warm on cold Spring training bus trips….good no? Yes?
So, here's some advice I wish I woulda got when I was your age: Live every week like it's Shark Week.
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