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Around SBN: The Worst Team Ever Projected?

Read the whole thing, but in summation, Davidoff gives the nod to:

* Tim Raines
* Bert Blyleven
* Mark McGwire
* Roberto Alomar
* Edgar Martinez
* Alan Trammell
* Barry Larkin

Incidentally, this is identical to my SBN ballot, the results of which will be released on Monday.

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Sabermetric groupthink!

In all seriousness, this is probably the best ballot published by a voter thus far.

by James Kannengieser on Dec 30, 2009 9:35 PM EST reply actions  

I'd have passed on Martinez, but otherwise voted exactly the same.

"We're just as bad as the old Mets, but this time nobody's laughing"
-Dallas Green

by Stephen Schmidt on Dec 30, 2009 9:45 PM EST reply actions  

Trammell

More WAR than the following HOF shortstops:

Ozzie Smith
Luis Aparicio
Pee Wee Reese
Joe Cronin
Rabbit Maranville
Joe Sewell
Dave Bancroft
Joe Tinker
Lou Boudreau
Bobby Wallace
Phil Rizzuto
Travis Jackson
Leo Durocher

That’s 13 of the 19 HOF shortstops. So there are six hall-eligible shortstops with more WAR than Trammell. For reference, those are:

Cal Ripken
Robin Yount
Luke Appling
Honus Wagner
Arky Vaughn
George Davis

The seventh-highest WAR among every shortstop ever? That’s pretty good.

by Eric Simon on Dec 30, 2009 10:43 PM EST up reply actions  

What's more

as Alex Nelson pointed out to me, Yount only played 1479 of 2709 career games at shortstop. Trammel isn’t even a borderline case; he should be a slam dunk.

by Eric Simon on Dec 30, 2009 10:55 PM EST up reply actions  

Arky Vaughn

Don’t really know anything about him except his stats and that he died tragically young but just look at that Baseball-Ref page. Awesome. And from a shortstop who, if you trust TotalZone, was above average in the field. And he was a Veterans Committee selection, wtf!

by James Kannengieser on Dec 31, 2009 12:23 AM EST up reply actions  

Wow yea.

Look at that 1935: .385/.491/.607 for a 190 OPS+ and he was 3rd! in MVP voting.

by dtro on Dec 31, 2009 8:33 AM EST up reply actions  

If Raines and Blyleven get the call

I can be happy with the baseball world in 2010 even if it results in more suckitude from the Mets.

Somehow, a chain of events unfolded that put Steve Phillips in a professional broadcast booth Sunday night so he could rip Carlos Beltran. Try to explain that in any other terms.

by Greenpoint Ian on Dec 30, 2009 10:52 PM EST reply actions  

So good

Ken Davidoff has been my favorite writer for Newsday for a long while. This ballot is beautiful.

by CajoleJuice on Dec 31, 2009 1:26 AM EST reply actions  

What's the point...

…in posting a link from a mainstream media source if I can’t mock it?

by danielj on Dec 31, 2009 1:46 AM EST reply actions  

This ballot is a joke

Where’s Parker, Mattingly and Morris? Morris pitched on a World Series winning team!!! How many rings does Blyleven got? Dave Parker is a two time champion, ignore his horrendous postseason stats, he won TWO CHAMPIONSHIPS!!!! Sure he was a below average fielder and only has a career .352 wOBA, but he was a 3x gold glover, an MVP, a 7 time all star and an all star MVP, and TWO CHAMPIONSHIPS!!!! And Mattingly was so exceptional, it doesn’t matter that he never won a championship or only appeared in the postseason once where the Yankees lost in five games, he was an offensive juggernaut with 222 homers and a .307/.358/.471 line. And don’t forget his overrated defensive prowess. Yeah, Heyman’s is much better than this. Seriously, how can anyone justify McGwire over Mattingly?

The Mets lobby Omar for a plan, and his plan, he likes his plan. The problem is that he didn't write his plan down 'cause that makes it paperwork, and that’s false hustle... Know what I’m sayin’?

by Evan_S on Dec 31, 2009 2:17 AM EST reply actions  

I believe Bert won two World Series. 79 Pirates, 87 Twins I think.

But that’s not the point. He was just a compiler who didn’t pitch a great game 7 in 1991 or have the most pitcher wins in an arbitrary ten year period, so screw him.

by dtro on Dec 31, 2009 8:29 AM EST up reply actions  

Ken Davidoff rules

When I put together a mock ballot on another website earlier this week, I came up with the same group, minus Trammell (deserving, but I just didn’t feel like voting for three middle infielders on one ballot, which maybe is bad logic but that’s what I went with) and Edgar (because I’m just still not so sure how I feel about DHs).

by JoshNY on Dec 31, 2009 2:05 PM EST reply actions  

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