2010: The Year We Make Contract (With Pedro... Again)
I love Pedro Martinez. He is one of my favorite players ever. He’s an all time great pitcher, number 4 in my eyes, has a great personality, and he is just plain fun to watch. Back in 2005 when he was signed, I, like many Mets fans, was ecstatic. We finally had a true star pitcher, who just so happened to be coming off a World Series victory. Was the contract excessive? Sure. Even after signing Beltran, were the 2005 Mets a playoff caliber team? Not at all. But none of that mattered when Pedro was on the mound. It was just a hell of a feeling watching Pedro pitch every fifth day, knowing that the Mets were going to be in every single one of those games.
Here we are now, going into the 2010 season, and once again Pedro is a free agent. Under the right circumstances, I want him back.
As of now the 2010 Mets have three rotation spots filled, Johan, Pelfrey and Sandy Koufax. Maine is still an option for the fourth and Niese could win the fifth. However, Maine is extremely injury prone as we know, and Niese is coming off of a major leg injury so hopefully he will be in Buffalo where at worst he can fill in for an injury.
The free agent pitchers available this off season are anything but awe inspiring. Lackey is almost the best, but not worth the contract he’s looking at. Harden and Sheets, personal favorites, are both extremely talented but not particularly durable. Honestly, those would be my two choices if I had a say. Sure it’s risky, but they’re upside is ridiculous. After them there are a bunch of solid if unspectacular options, Garland, Pineiro, Marquis, Wolf, etc.
So why do I want to take a gamble on a 38 year old, injury prone pitcher? Mostly sentimentality. Yeah, logic is awesome, but sometimes you just want to root for one of your favorite guys. If I have to choose between Redding or Pedro, or Livan and Pedro, gimme Pedro… and shelter.
Now, there no way should Pedro be a priority, but after signing a guy like Harden, we’ll still need a fifth starter. Personally, I’m not too keen on spending $10 million per for three years on one of the aforementioned pitchers, and after last season’s one year, $1 million contract, it seems unlikely Pedro would make much more than $3 million next season (I have been wrong about contracts before, just a warning). If the Mets were to sign him, I think the the year, $3 million dollar option would be fair, perhaps with a vesting option for $17.5 million should he start four games.
Of course, had Pedro been terrible last year, I would not be advocating signing him, but he was pretty decent for the Phillies. In the 44.2 innings he threw for the Phils in the regular season, he had a solid 4.28 FIP. In addition he struck out batters at a respectable 7.49 K/9 rate, with excellent control only walking 1.61 batters per nine innings. His average against was pretty high, but that could be due to a slightly inflated .315 BABIP.
One of the major concerns with Pedro when he was a Met was his velocity. While he’ll never throw 97 again, he was able to regularly throw around 90 mph. In his 44.2 innings last year, Pedro’s fastball averaged 89.2 mph, up slightly from 2008 by .7 mph. His pitches exhibited pretty solid movement as well. He still looks like he can be a solid starter for at least one more season.
The biggest concern regarding Pedro is his health. He hasn’t pitched a complete season since 2005, though he did throw over 100 innings for us in 2008. With the news that he wants to pitch the entire 2010 season and not half like Clemens did is what makes him such a risk. As much as I like Pedro, it’s hard to justify him as a main part in the rotation for the entire year if there are better options. However, should Garland, Marquis, Wolf or Pineiro be looking for an Ollie-esque contract, and should we be only able to sign one of, or God forbid neither, Harden and Sheets, I think Pedro is as good of an option for fifth starter as anyone out there.
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I feel the exact same way
I wanted the Mets to resign him last year as well. He is my all-time favorite pitcher and I truly believe he wanted to return to the Mets. I’m the biggest Phillies hater in the world but I couldn’t help but pull for Pedro everytime he started last year. I like the Harden/Pedro signing as well. I still think we should bring in another pitcher (maybe Harang). I know that could be expensive but as long as the Mets dont shell out more than 10 million combined for Pedro/Harden I think it’s reasonable…that’s if they sign Mike Cameron instead of Holliday.
No, no, no...
We had Pedro, he pitched a good 2005, a decent 2006, was out 2007 with injuries, and a horrible 2008. He pitched decently for the Phillies after resting/rehabbing for half of the season. If he pitches from the beginning of the year, no doubt he’s going to be somewhat ineffective, because his body seemingly can’t take it (take 2006, for instance, where he started out strong, but then went down to ineffectiveness/injury).
Pedro is pretty much in the same boat as Maine and Perez- a wild card, that we don’t know what we’ll get from them. Pedro can stay strong, in theory, and pitch a decent year. Or, like what happened in 2008, when he was “in the best shape of [his] life”, he can get injured three innings into the season. I’d rather have a pitcher who is going to be more consistent, in terms of being able to throw every fifth day. A rotation consisting of Santana, Pedro, Maine, Perez, Pelfrey, we already tried that, and it didn’t work too well.
Also, keep in mind his price. He pitched decently in his 44.2 innings, so he’s going to want more than the $1 million dollars the Phillies gave him. With all of the uncertainty that follows Pedro, in terms of pitching, is he really going to be worth more than $1 million dollars? Personally, signing him for that amount of money smells a lot like an Alex Cora deal to me- there are pitchers out there who aren’t “name brands”, and might not have a potential ceiling as high as Pedro might, but, theoretically, can average just about the same amount of production. I mean, in just about the same amount of innings pitcher, Fernando Nieve put up very similar numbers.
"Blinding ignorance does mislead us. O! Wretched mortals, open your eyes!"
Gil Hodges IS a Hall of Famer.
by Brooklyn Dodgers Mets Fan on Dec 5, 2009 12:47 PM EST reply actions
I'm only saying to sign him after we already get one pitcher
and the other options become unavailable or too expensive. And regarding Nieve, he had a higher FIP, 4.90, a K/9 of 5.65 and a BB/9/ of 4.66. Not particularly good stuff there.
"We must win and we must know how to win rather than win because we have statistical people."
I didn't say Nieve was better. I said he had similar stuff:
Pedro: 44.2 IP / 3.63 ERA / 7.46 K/9 / 1.61 BB/9 / 1.25 WHIP / .276 Average Against / .315 BAPIP / 4.28 FIP
Nieve: 36.2 IP / 2.95 ERA / 5.65 K/9 / 4.66 BB/9 / 1.49 WHIP / .273 Average Against / .315 BAPIP / 4.91 FIP
The major difference is salary. Nieve had a WAR of .01, and was paid peanuts. Pedro had a WAR of .06, and was paid a million dollars. Nieve is going to continue being paid peanuts. Pedro, based on the performance he had, is going to ask for more than a million dollars. Looking to the Bill James projections for next season (which I always hear are inflated somewhat), would it really be worth more than a million dollars to sign a guy who is going put up those kinds of stats? I don’t think so- not at that price. And, that’s assuming that everything goes well for him, and that he doesn’t get injured for the season or whatnot, as has happened before to him, in his older age.
If he was content to sign for very little money, I’d say maybe, and do what the Phillies did, if possible- pick him up mid-season, so he’s all rehabbed and provides a shot of relief into the pitching rotation (if we’re in any kind of playoff hunt, of course). But, other than that, I don’t really think he fits in any way, on our club. Cincinatti might be better suited for him, since they have a fairly young pitching rotation, with two guys (Volquez and Cueto), who said they’ve always idolized and tried to emulate Martinez. But us, where we’re already going into the season with a few question marks penciled into the rotation? I don’t really think so. Pedro was supposed to be ‘1B’ in 2008, and that didn’t work out. Two years later, I can’t help but feel that it won’t work out even more, if tried again.
"Blinding ignorance does mislead us. O! Wretched mortals, open your eyes!"
Gil Hodges IS a Hall of Famer.
by Brooklyn Dodgers Mets Fan on Dec 5, 2009 2:16 PM EST up reply actions
eh
The stats you used clearly show that Pedro’s a better pitcher… in fact, it really doesn’t seem close to me at all.
I really agree with some of the above love for Pedro, but I don’t really see how he’d fit on our team. Is he ever going to agree to a contract in the offseason again and pitch through spring training? If he can only pitch the amount he did last year or ~10 starts, would it really be worth the money?
ain't had enough...
The stats are in 44.2 innings
FOURTY FOUR POINT TWO INNINGS. That means almost nothing in terms of how good each pitcher is.
Project of off previous stats
Regress heavily to the mean considering that neither player has had a lot of playing time recently.
In this situation, scouting information, or Pitch f/x in lieu of that, is much more valuable.
by vivaelpujols on Dec 5, 2009 11:01 PM EST up reply actions
Like I said, I acknowledged that Pedro is the better pitcher of the two.
Per dollar being spent, however, Nieve (2009) edges out Martinez (2009).
"Blinding ignorance does mislead us. O! Wretched mortals, open your eyes!"
Gil Hodges IS a Hall of Famer.
by Brooklyn Dodgers Mets Fan on Dec 7, 2009 12:03 AM EST up reply actions
Have to agree with you here Brooklyn
Pedro was a great pitcher, but he’s clearly winding down, and trusting him with a rotation spot would be the kind of shortsightedness that gets us into trouble. I enjoyed watching Pedro pitch as much as the next guy, but theres a point where you’ve gotta let him go. If he can find success elsewhere then i’m happy for him, but he’s way too much of a risk for a team that already has this many question marks. If we already had 5 or 6 solid starting pitchers, i’d say take a flier on him, but we could have anywherewhere between 2 and 5 decent pitchers depending on how niece, maine and ollie bounce back this season, not enough certainty there to sign a guy like Pedro, no matter how much we all may like the guy.
by KeithsMoustache on Dec 5, 2009 1:12 PM EST up reply actions
I love Pedro, and would happily watch him try to outwit hitters for a season
but there’s no way it happens. Any other team could take a flier, and if he gets hurt, oh well. Omar signs him – no matter the amount – and he gets hurt again, we would never hear the end of it.
I love Pedro too much to watch him struggle
It hurt me to see Matsui take him deep every time he was up. I do not want to see that happen to Pedro again. Pedro is a class act and a great talent.
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by Scent of a Woman on Dec 6, 2009 1:12 AM EST reply actions
I think the Pedro ship has sailed
When he was on the market last he was begging to be on the Mets.Omar had every chance to sign him and passed.Now that he’s a year older why would the mets now take a chance on him.Pedro was a great pitcher but he’s cleary on the decline.Plus they are so much question marks with him.Can he pitch on regular day rest?Can he last all 162 games?Can he still go 6 innings and give up under 3 runs?
DO WHAT JOSE REYES DO!!!
I just put up a fanpost about the starting rotation, then read this.
I’d love to see Pedro back on the Mets, but he’s exactly the opposite of what the Mets need, which is two good, durable starters. And if we have to pay 10 mil per season for that, so be it. Anything else essentially punts the season.
The Mets top five starters threw 524 innings in 2009. That’s abysmal. Adding Pedro really has to be last on our list of things to do.

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