"If you take X player on another team who’s around a great cast of players, we want to look at him...

"If you take X player on another team who’s around a great cast of players, we want to look at him in our ballpark with different players around him to see how he will fit in."

Jeff Wilpon admits the Mets are a horrible cast of players and some other stuff about Bloomberg. Bottom line: doesn't matter who you buy the data from if no one knows how to interpret it.

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I think interpreting the data is the point of the program

You feed in the numbers, and it spits out what player is better for your club. At least that’s how I understood it.

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by Zach Sanders on Dec 6, 2009 8:39 PM EST reply actions

If it only it was that easy

by Sam Page on Dec 6, 2009 9:08 PM EST up reply actions

That's what I got out of Jeff's quote as well

like the program would show that batting an alright hitter fourth on Yanks would led to more RsBI than batting eighth for the Pirates. Basically, from Jeff’s quote, it sounds like there is park and team adjustment to counting stats so the Mets don’t have to interpret anything. It sounds like a step in the right direction.

Also, I’m curious who are “half the teams in baseball” that buy Dewen’s fielding data. I wonder if the clubs that have their own methodology also get Dewen’s to compare.

the number one issue facing the Mets is finding that one guy who’s going to say "get on my shoulders and ride me to the championship."

by Sokojoe on Dec 6, 2009 9:35 PM EST up reply actions

What i don't understand

Is how this is a good idea to Jeff, but stats that tell you the exact same thing are considered false hustle.

by Gina on Dec 6, 2009 11:28 PM EST up reply actions

Here is what will happen.....

Jeff and Omar will gather at Jerry’s desk with Warthen present…..they will input all the player names into this program, hit the “compute” button, and this list will come out as players that are a good fit for the Mets…..

Livan Hernandez
Redding
Ollie Perez
Luis Ayala
Moises Alou
Anderson Hernanadez
Angel Berroa
Ramon Martinez
Argenis Reyes
Marlon Anderson
Robinson Cancel
Ken Takahashi

upon seeing this list:

Omar will say " you see ? ".

Jeff will say " awesome !"

Jerry will say " gangsta"

Warthen will say " I knew that Omir guy was a bum"

and so, the mess will continue.

by fxcarden on Dec 6, 2009 8:55 PM EST reply actions

Furthermore.....

I lobby for software that computes who could be a good fit owner and also for GM.

I lobby for AA to develop said software, and send a copy to Jeff and Omar ( but the box must say its a Sesame Street game, otherwise they will be suspicious and not install and run the program ).

by fxcarden on Dec 6, 2009 8:57 PM EST up reply actions

more likely

they’ll punch it in, and it will spit out names like Placido Polanco, Kelly Shoppach, Mike Cameron, & Ben Sheets. Omar will say “this machine is false hustle, I know Benjie Molina, John Lackey, and Orlando Hudson are the way to go, and I’ll overpay them all if I have to”

"[The Giants] beat us down. We were beat by a grown-man team, a team we want to be like one day. They came in here and took it to us. Out-manned us, out-gunned us. ... It wasn't even close." - Raheem Morris, 9/27/09

by cjmulrain on Dec 6, 2009 9:11 PM EST up reply actions

can you imagine how happy this board would be

if omar went out this offseason and signed placido, shoppach, cameron and sheets?

by gbaked on Dec 7, 2009 1:39 AM EST up reply actions

i would be worried

that it was a sign of the end times

by Gina on Dec 7, 2009 1:46 AM EST up reply actions

I guess the Madoff's version is still in production.

by Sam Page on Dec 6, 2009 9:14 PM EST reply actions

Any way this program can tell us...

what owner X (in this case, Jeff Wilpon) would be doing if he wasn’t born into Daddy’s millions?

by Bieser's Balk on Dec 6, 2009 9:36 PM EST reply actions

If my father offered me a job running a baseball team,

I’m pretty sure I would take it.

the number one issue facing the Mets is finding that one guy who’s going to say "get on my shoulders and ride me to the championship."

by Sokojoe on Dec 6, 2009 9:48 PM EST up reply actions

But you'd be qualified for the position

Jeff, not so much.

"We must win and we must know how to win rather than win because we have statistical people."

by Evan_S on Dec 6, 2009 10:27 PM EST up reply actions

and i'm pretty sure

if you had the track record of Jeff Wilpon, people would be questioning if you were up to the job

by Bieser's Balk on Dec 7, 2009 12:01 AM EST up reply actions

... and deservedly so.

"Never throw a slider to The Glider."

- Ed Charles, No. 5

by The Glider on Dec 7, 2009 12:21 AM EST up reply actions

Wow.

Just when I thought I couldn’t possibly be any less enthused about the 2010 season, this story appears.

by Mex_17 on Dec 6, 2009 9:51 PM EST reply actions

FALSE HUSTLE

by Gina on Dec 6, 2009 11:26 PM EST reply actions

Fwiw

I remember reading that Jeff read Moneyball when it was first published and was fascinated by it wanted to take the front office in a more progressive direction but Fred wanted no part of it.

by Gina on Dec 7, 2009 12:03 AM EST reply actions

Please find that article.

by Sam Page on Dec 7, 2009 12:14 AM EST up reply actions

While I was looking for that article I found this awesome one

MLB Exec: Moneyball is a Flop

totally unrelated, and I only skimmed the article, but I love how he cites Depodesta as a flop, considering Depodesta completely built most of the current dodgers team and was only fired because of the West Coast versions of writers similar to Silva… nevermind the fact that Epstein clearly hasn’t flopped.

but back to looking for the other one.

by Gina on Dec 7, 2009 12:21 AM EST up reply actions

I think

You’re actually thinking of Jim Duquette, who distributed copies of Moneyball to employees and forced them to write book reports. I remember Ken Davidoff of Newsday writing a notes column containing something about that some years ago, but I wouldn’t be able to pull that article now.

Instead, I’ll offer this interview with Rick Peterson that contains the same info.

by Alex Nelson on Dec 7, 2009 2:02 AM EST up reply actions

This is the only quote I can find

When Art Howe was managing the Mets, Jeff Wilpon, son of Mets owner Fred Wilpon, was so enthralled with the book “Moneyball” that he took a copy to Howe’s office and told the manager he could learn some things from it.

But the article I read took it further saying that Jeff wanted to install some of the same properties to the mets front office but that Fred wanted more traditional scouting.

by Gina on Dec 7, 2009 2:13 AM EST up reply actions

I'd think there are already a number of teams

well beyond this stuff, so I’m not sure how big the market is.

Besides, if you need, for example, two starters, your scouts, BBRef, FanGraphs, and whatever defensive stats and pitch data you subscribe to or developed will make clear what your options are.

by SeanSchirmer on Dec 7, 2009 12:21 AM EST reply actions