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Around SBN: Bracketology 2012: Duke Finally Steps Up To The No. 1 Line

Not sure what to think of this if it's true

3:26pm (Eric): Ken Davidoff says otherwise.

about 2 years ago Dexter-morgan_tiny Syler 23 comments 0 recs  | 

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They could certainly do worse

But whats the cost? I just hope its not Bartolo Colon all over again.

"All energy flows according to the whims of the great magnet

What a fool I was to defy him"

-HST

by Mark Himmelstein on Dec 7, 2009 3:02 PM EST reply actions  

Typical Omar buy-high

"We're just as bad as the old Mets, but this time nobody's laughing"
-Dallas Green

by Stephen Schmidt on Dec 7, 2009 3:03 PM EST up reply actions  

That's the fear

What are the chances this is a blockbuster and we’re getting Granderson too? That’s the only way I could see the cost being justified, and it would be a high cost.

"All energy flows according to the whims of the great magnet

What a fool I was to defy him"

-HST

by Mark Himmelstein on Dec 7, 2009 3:05 PM EST up reply actions  

thats too much to hope for

Granderson would be great, and Jackson isn’t bad, but this would likely cost us a small fortune in players.

by KeithsMoustache on Dec 7, 2009 3:27 PM EST up reply actions  

my bad

i just posted the same thing i minute after you

"The Mets have shown me more ways to lose than I even knew existed."
-Casey Stengel

by He'sGotPotential on Dec 7, 2009 3:03 PM EST reply actions  

a minute*

"The Mets have shown me more ways to lose than I even knew existed."
-Casey Stengel

by He'sGotPotential on Dec 7, 2009 3:03 PM EST reply actions  

He clarified with another tweet

here that it was a rumor he heard in the lobby, nothing remotely official though.

"All energy flows according to the whims of the great magnet

What a fool I was to defy him"

-HST

by Mark Himmelstein on Dec 7, 2009 3:07 PM EST reply actions  

He isn't, and has never been that good.

His career FIP is 4.72, tRa is 5.22, and he had never been a decent pitcher until the first half of this year, which was in large part thanks to a large amount of luck, which showed in the 2nd half.

Most of all, his price wouldn’t be that of a #4 starter, it would be of a #2 or #3, and I know Omar is stupid enough to pay that kind of price for him.

by Syler on Dec 7, 2009 3:45 PM EST up reply actions  

Good

to me he’s always reminded me a bitof Ollie, his “stuff” has always been viewed highly by scouts but he has pretty meh control and gets too many balls hit in the air.

by Gina on Dec 7, 2009 3:54 PM EST up reply actions  

A low-cost, young, legit #2 or 3 SP we can control for a few years?

Yeah, who would want that.

If it’s a deal where we have to take on a bad contract like Bonderman for a year, it could be a canny long-term move. Obviously if it requires gutting our farm system, it’s self-defeating. But there’s a chance that a deal like this could make sense.

Let’s see the details (if it happens at all) before judging it.

by saberkeith on Dec 7, 2009 3:38 PM EST reply actions  

I think the problem is

Unless the Tigers were getting a kings ransom for him why would they trade him? He’s one of the few young cheap and relatively controllable, I think he’s entering arbitration, players they have.

by Gina on Dec 7, 2009 3:55 PM EST up reply actions  

Right

I think the way you get him is he comes coupled with a bad contract (and Detroit has many of them). So if you agree to take a Bonderman or Guillen, you get Jackson. Bonderman is more palatable because he’s off the books after 2010 (and is a decent back of the rotation contender).

I got a bit carried away earlier in calling E-Jax a legit 2 or 3. I think at this point, he’s more of a 3. But he’s only 26, cheap, under control for a few years. Better to go after him, I think, than a middle of the line FA option coming off a career year who will require $20-30 million (Marquis, Pineiro, etc).

by saberkeith on Dec 7, 2009 4:03 PM EST reply actions  

Why not both?

We need two starters. I can live with an addition of Jackson and Marquis.

by SeanSchirmer on Dec 7, 2009 5:29 PM EST up reply actions  

This would be good

Edwin Jackson was nasty this year and if you also take a flier on Bedard I can accept this as long as they still spend

by SAL R on Dec 7, 2009 6:38 PM EST reply actions  

eh

a 5.62era after the break isn’t nasty, nor is the .281 BABIP which points to a 4+era in 2010. he’s allright but nothing worth going nuts for and if the tigers are asking for brandon morrow+ for him then count me out.

by Rob Castellano on Dec 7, 2009 6:46 PM EST up reply actions  

I would

draft him again for fantasy BB, and think his numbers woud imporve at Citi Field

by SAL R on Dec 7, 2009 11:21 PM EST up reply actions  

Yeah but so would a number of pitchers

No reason to give up more for him when Citi field will make other cheaper pitchers, in terms of prospect cost, look just as good.

by Gina on Dec 7, 2009 11:28 PM EST up reply actions  

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