Bringing in the fences at Citi Field
by SAL R on Dec 7, 2009 8:17 PM EST
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would probably attract Power Hitting Free Agents then scare them away
Doesn't anyone think the Mets should announce that they are bringing in the fences so it would'nt discourage a Power bat from coming Here? Really why would a Matt Holliday sign here and watch his power numbers decline? Plus if your trying to make a trade why would someone with a no-trade clause apporve it to this God-awful abassy of a field. Yeah Dimensions might be good for Juan Pierre( and heard he's rumored for Castillo) but Seriously announcing it before the winter meeting makes sense.
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This really should be a FanPost
Also, this should be marked by the SiteBot.
by BobbyV_Incognito on Dec 7, 2009 8:27 PM EST reply actions
You mean fanshot?
"All energy flows according to the whims of the great magnet
What a fool I was to defy him"
-HST
by Mark Himmelstein on Dec 7, 2009 9:02 PM EST up reply actions
I dont think this warrants a fanshot.
But good use of the break just in case this gets bumped to the main page.
the number one issue facing the Mets is finding that one guy who’s going to say "get on my shoulders and ride me to the championship."
by Sokojoe on Dec 7, 2009 9:54 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
Rec'd
for the “bumped” comment.
"He's definitely mixing it into his repertoire. That's French for 'repertoire' " - Keith Hernandez
by Catsmeat Potter-Pirbright on Dec 7, 2009 10:31 PM EST up reply actions
Congratulations: You have added nothing useful.
P.S. Read this post before writing this kind of insipid nonsense in the future. Thanks.
What the hell is abassy?
Abyss?
"I see the job in bigger terms. Paperwork, that’s false hustle... Know what I’m sayin’?"
via wikipedia
According to the ancient Yakut people, the Abaasy inhabit the underworld. They have teeth of iron and travel in packs of seven.
This guy is clearly well versed in Yakut mythology
by KeithsMoustache on Dec 7, 2009 9:00 PM EST up reply actions 5 recs
I assume running into a pack of them leads to no good whatsoever.
by SeanSchirmer on Dec 8, 2009 12:23 AM EST up reply actions
depends on how you define good
7 IS a luckuy number after all
by KeithsMoustache on Dec 8, 2009 12:31 AM EST up reply actions
So the outfield will be
RF Franceour
CF Beltran
LF A pack of 7 sharp teethed trolls
Nice, I like Omar’s thinking out of the box on this one
by scott from peekskill on Dec 8, 2009 4:21 PM EST up reply actions
he's great at scouting mythical talent that most people don't believe exists
like the mythical “good” ollie, or the mythical “valuable” jeff francoeur, or the mysterious 2 million dollar alex cora.
by KeithsMoustache on Dec 8, 2009 5:35 PM EST up reply actions
The $2 million dollar Alex Cora is very real, my friend, so beware...
"Blinding ignorance does mislead us. O! Wretched mortals, open your eyes!"
Gil Hodges IS a Hall of Famer.
by Brooklyn Dodgers Mets Fan on Dec 8, 2009 11:12 PM EST up reply actions
i meant the alex cora actually worth 2 million dollars
by KeithsMoustache on Dec 9, 2009 1:27 AM EST up reply actions
If THAT'S what you're looking for, ha, good luck finding that...
"Blinding ignorance does mislead us. O! Wretched mortals, open your eyes!"
Gil Hodges IS a Hall of Famer.
by Brooklyn Dodgers Mets Fan on Dec 9, 2009 1:06 PM EST up reply actions
just saying
If I were Matt Holliday why would I sign to come to Citi Field and watch my numbers suffer and if I was a player with a no trade clause why would I waive it?
And Yes should be a fan post
And when David Wright has 10 Hrs ALL season yea I think its a problem and Yes Citi eats HR’s at least to Met Players they do.
thats not a stadium problem
thats a talent problem, paired with Hojo messing up Wrights swing. Park factor has Citi as being dead center in the middle for home run potential.
by KeithsMoustache on Dec 7, 2009 9:02 PM EST up reply actions
ok not dead center, sorry someone showed me the numbers before
but not nearly as bad as some other parks
by KeithsMoustache on Dec 7, 2009 9:02 PM EST up reply actions
here it is
http://espn.go.com/mlb/stats/parkfactor/_/sort/HRFactor
ranked 12th by ESPN for home run park factor.
by KeithsMoustache on Dec 7, 2009 9:05 PM EST up reply actions
No, there's no proof that Citi eats home runs.
B-ref ranks it as a 98 for both batters and hitters. One season by a single player does not mean that Citi Field is a magical, home-run devouring monster. There’s plenty of other reasons for FAs to avoid the Mets: dysfunctional management, an at-best-semi-competent front office, and so on.
And no, it shouldn’t be a FanPost. You clearly don’t know what goes into a FanPost. There’s no analysis, no links to anything, no thought at all other than the bare minimum of neurological contractions necessary to type this up. Something with so little content should be a FanShot, if it belongs anywhere at all.
by BobbyV_Incognito on Dec 7, 2009 9:07 PM EST up reply actions
You're grammar is awful
"We're investigating the investigative procedure of the investigation of Tony Bernazard"---Omar Minaya (he really didn't say it but he would"
so is you are's ;-)
just messin with ya – I think it’s a generally known internet rule that any time you criticize someone’s grammar, you WILL mess up something grammatically.
"[The Giants] beat us down. We were beat by a grown-man team, a team we want to be like one day. They came in here and took it to us. Out-manned us, out-gunned us. ... It wasn't even close." - Raheem Morris, 9/27/09
For the sake of reference
There were 5 NL ballparks that yielded lower HR/G: Turner Field, Petco Park, Dodger Stadium, Busch Stadium, and AT&T field. Being that the Mets as a team were dead last in MLB HR, I think its pretty safe to conclude that CitiField was in 2009 more HR friendly than any of those stadiums.
"All energy flows according to the whims of the great magnet
What a fool I was to defy him"
-HST
by Mark Himmelstein on Dec 7, 2009 9:06 PM EST reply actions
If we move in the walls who is to say it won't scare off free agent pitchers?
Gas prices today are a lot like a pitcher's ERA. Anything under 3 is amazing, under 4 is pretty good and anything 5 and up is something you want to avoid.
i dont
really see it being a problem attracting power hitters. for one, every legit power hitter (ryan howard, adam dunn, mark reynolds, etc) has no problem hitting here. for two, this is going to be the biggest contract matt holiday ever signs in his career, and the last one of any real substance for him. as far as contracts go, he’ll already have earned however many 100 millions he makes before he even picks up the bat, so frankly it doesn’t matter to him how many he hits because the money is guaranteed. it might matter if he was interested in trying to pad stats for the hall of fame, but i don’t think he has a shot at that either.
yes
moving in the fences will scare all those great 3rd tier free agent pitchers that well end up with, Really I don’t think Doug davis will mind it one bit
again, you're grammar is awful
"We're investigating the investigative procedure of the investigation of Tony Bernazard"---Omar Minaya (he really didn't say it but he would"
yes
you are right about Matt Holliday already cashing in but is he willing to go to a club where his numbers will suffer and have the added pressure of listening to the media everynight and also the added weight as being the “savior” so to speak Just a factor that I think would scare away some potiental free agents even if the money is there. If the mets offer same amount as say the Cardinals or Boston where do u think he would go? I know where i would
If you'd put down the Cheetos, you'd notice it.
"Blinding ignorance does mislead us. O! Wretched mortals, open your eyes!"
Gil Hodges IS a Hall of Famer.
by Brooklyn Dodgers Mets Fan on Dec 7, 2009 10:58 PM EST up reply actions
Somehow I don't think Matt Holliday, or any player, would be a "savior" to the Mets...
Since the team already has Wright, Beltran, Reyes, and Santana.
A “savior” would be competent management that can find competent and cheaper mid-level players to complement them. In addition, these superstars would not have backups that are replacement level and cost ~2mm.
by boom_roasted on Dec 8, 2009 12:40 PM EST up reply actions
I'm very disappointed
that this fanpost didn’t have any comments about the Mets having too many latinos.
I lobby for more racist fanpost.
"[The Giants] beat us down. We were beat by a grown-man team, a team we want to be like one day. They came in here and took it to us. Out-manned us, out-gunned us. ... It wasn't even close." - Raheem Morris, 9/27/09
actually
I see the cleverness of this fanpost now. You have to read it carefully, but look:
“bringing in the fences at citi field would probably attract Power Hitting Free Agents then scare them away”
Now, on first glance, that sentence doesn’t make any sense. Why would it attract them and then scare them away? But on closer analysis, look at the next sentence (after the break):
“Doesn’t anyone think the Mets should announce that they are bringing in the fences”
See, SAL R here isn’t saying the Mets should actually bring in the fences, he’s just saying they should announce that they are bringing in the fences. SAL R knows that Citi Field was actually pretty neutral last year, but thanks to lazy sportswriters and David Wright’s 10 HR, everyone thinks it was the Grand Canyon, which means power hitters might be scared away. So by announcing they are bringing in the fences but actually leaving them alone, the power hitters will decide to sign here while the ballpark can remain pretty neutral, allowing us to build a more complete baseball team.
Bravo, SAL R, bravo.
"[The Giants] beat us down. We were beat by a grown-man team, a team we want to be like one day. They came in here and took it to us. Out-manned us, out-gunned us. ... It wasn't even close." - Raheem Morris, 9/27/09
well
bravo u want to really no why Citi Field sucks, Well its because David Wright is a minority on the team, Because he can’t communitcate with his teammates or is it cuz all those Lazy Latinos can’t speak a lick of english that makes the clubhouse a dissaray a lack chemistry because nobody knows what anyone is saying. Or Maybe Because we have a Latin GM and Needed a latin Mangaer to manage or shall I say able to communicate with this club. Listen if we hire Fidel Castro maybe this team would hustle, play defense, show a little life. Yes your right it doesnt matter about the fences its about the Latins on this team. It’s not the fences but the new jersey’s that sport a puerto rican flag on the side. BRAVO BRAVO
I can't tell if this is parody trolling or just heinous.
Either way, flagged.
"He's definitely mixing it into his repertoire. That's French for 'repertoire' " - Keith Hernandez
by Catsmeat Potter-Pirbright on Dec 7, 2009 11:13 PM EST up reply actions
I see a ban in your future
“Lazy Latinos”? Go fuck yourself you racist asshole. Ignore the fact that our team is mostly white and the percentage of Latinos on the Mets is in line with the percentage in baseball.
"I see the job in bigger terms. Paperwork, that’s false hustle... Know what I’m sayin’?"
uhhh ooooo
O know what will I do? I mean getting ridiculed for it not being a fanshot or fangraph post. What will I do? I mean I wanna talk about how to be frugal with the Mets Billions of Dollars they wont spend and who to sign. Really have your fun but in the end you’ll have to cheer for Molina, Castillo,Cora, Doug Davis, Pinero and Sean Green setting up, that’s the reality of it sorry. And if you don’t like the New jersey’s with the puerto rican flagg on them you can just rip it off that’s what I did. LOS METS = Los WORKERS COMP ABUSERS !!!!!!! U can flag me and ban me but it is what it is.
It is what it is
Poor grammar and hyperbolic. Good times.
"All energy flows according to the whims of the great magnet
What a fool I was to defy him"
-HST
by Mark Himmelstein on Dec 8, 2009 12:34 AM EST up reply actions
Hyperbole*
Damn autocorrecter, lol
"All energy flows according to the whims of the great magnet
What a fool I was to defy him"
-HST
by Mark Himmelstein on Dec 8, 2009 12:40 AM EST up reply actions
well, it wasn't a fanpost
but I knew the racism was just ready to be spewed again.
I will concede one point though: if Fidel Castro were the manager, the players probably would hustle, play defense, and show a little life. If not, off to jail they go.
"[The Giants] beat us down. We were beat by a grown-man team, a team we want to be like one day. They came in here and took it to us. Out-manned us, out-gunned us. ... It wasn't even close." - Raheem Morris, 9/27/09
Not exactly
According to FanGraphs, Castro as manager would add +1 WAR, but -2 UZR/150.
A Cuban friend told me
that Fidel was not at all happy with the line-ups in the WBC. He wrote about it in his newspaper column. Which left me wondering what happens to a manager when Fidel’s not happy with his line-ups.
I dunno...
but I’m looking forward to be able to get Cuban cigars legally some day.
See, that's why you should NEVER resign when you have lifelong office
Instead of being able to do something about it, he has to right to the newspaper. How the mighty have fallen. Back in the day…
"Blinding ignorance does mislead us. O! Wretched mortals, open your eyes!"
Gil Hodges IS a Hall of Famer.
by Brooklyn Dodgers Mets Fan on Dec 7, 2009 11:38 PM EST up reply actions
As a Latino (and therefore a lazy person)
I delight in the numerous grammatical errors I found in your post in which you declare that we cannot speak English.
by BobbyV_Incognito on Dec 8, 2009 1:11 AM EST up reply actions
This part is particularly ironic
….those Lazy Latinos can’t speak a lick of english that makes the clubhouse a dissaray a lack chemistry chemistry because nobody knows what anyone is saying.
"All energy flows according to the whims of the great magnet
What a fool I was to defy him"
-HST
by Mark Himmelstein on Dec 8, 2009 1:14 AM EST up reply actions 1 recs
I don’t know if I’m offended more as a Latino, or as someone who speaks the English language. Also, if Omar is stocking the roster with Latinos, shouldn’t they be able to understand each other? I know there’s small differences between PR Spanish and Venezuelan Spanish, but it’s pretty much the same thing. I think there’s no language barrier between Castillo, Santana, and Delgado.
by BobbyV_Incognito on Dec 8, 2009 1:18 AM EST up reply actions
No, no
The problem is that it holds Wright back, and thus us as fans, from recognizing the true levels of leadership and grission quite clearly emanating from his core, as illustrated in this image of the Predator’s Grissonred based vision:
"All energy flows according to the whims of the great magnet
What a fool I was to defy him"
-HST
by Mark Himmelstein on Dec 8, 2009 1:23 AM EST up reply actions
But I'll bet none of them, nor most of the white players,
can understand Southern.
Those Alabamans really need to learn the language.
he said something like this earlier
So I’m going to assume SAL R is metsguy234’s younger brother, or something
"We're investigating the investigative procedure of the investigation of Tony Bernazard"---Omar Minaya (he really didn't say it but he would"
yes
And I gonna assume you think the Mets are going to make the playoff’s next year.
actually, I don't think they will
and by the way, do you know how to write english?
And I gonna assume you think the Mets are going to make the playoff’s next year.
It’s “I’m gonna”. Or maybe I gonna is the new I lobby.
"We're investigating the investigative procedure of the investigation of Tony Bernazard"---Omar Minaya (he really didn't say it but he would"
unless you are MARK REYNOLDS
CITIFIELD is terrible for power hitters….I saw david WRIGHT absolutely crush a ball to
dead center and it would have been a home run in every park in America!!! The ball
hit that part of the centerfield wall that for some reason juts up / raises higher than the
rest of the fence in that part of the park.. and I thought SHEA robbed hitters of homers…..
Wrigley is 353/355 down right field line; how many homers would JETER have hit for the
CUBBIES???? THE METS NEED TO BRING THE FENCES IN…..in the early 1980’s
yankee stadium was 430 in left/center/center field….that’s crazy….and as such, citi is totally unfair also.
in that respect..make it playable….
wait
even assuming, arguendo, that the rest of what you said is true, what the hell does Derek Jeter and Wrigley Field have to do with anything? This just lacks coherency of any sort
"[The Giants] beat us down. We were beat by a grown-man team, a team we want to be like one day. They came in here and took it to us. Out-manned us, out-gunned us. ... It wasn't even close." - Raheem Morris, 9/27/09
On topic, non-inflammitory post!
The walls in Citi Field should be lowered. I don’t really care about the home run part (though, friggin’ Pelfrey hit a ball off the top of a wall this season that should have been a home run), but high walls means Endy-like catches are impossible forever more. Lower them to circa the 8’-10’ mark, and you preserve the chance for such catches.
"Blinding ignorance does mislead us. O! Wretched mortals, open your eyes!"
Gil Hodges IS a Hall of Famer.
by Brooklyn Dodgers Mets Fan on Dec 7, 2009 10:53 PM EST reply actions 1 recs
the walls are a touch on the high side
i think it makes a lot more sense to lower them than move them in. Keeps the potential for tons of triples alive. Really though they dont absolutely need to change them at all IMO.
by KeithsMoustache on Dec 7, 2009 11:03 PM EST up reply actions
Y'know what I'm sayin'.
"Blinding ignorance does mislead us. O! Wretched mortals, open your eyes!"
Gil Hodges IS a Hall of Famer.
by Brooklyn Dodgers Mets Fan on Dec 7, 2009 11:37 PM EST up reply actions
That's a good point
As ultra rare as they are, it would be nice to know that it’s at least possible to rob a homerun.
by TheBigStapler on Dec 8, 2009 10:50 AM EST up reply actions
On topic, inflamitory post!
Why do so many people become idiots who don’t take the time to actually research a topic, or look to knowledgeable sources, when they become ‘experts’ on a subject?
"Blinding ignorance does mislead us. O! Wretched mortals, open your eyes!"
Gil Hodges IS a Hall of Famer.
by Brooklyn Dodgers Mets Fan on Dec 7, 2009 10:54 PM EST reply actions
Research?
That’s paperwork, and that’s false hustle. Know what I’m sayin’?
"I see the job in bigger terms. Paperwork, that’s false hustle... Know what I’m sayin’?"
I know what you're sayin'.
"Blinding ignorance does mislead us. O! Wretched mortals, open your eyes!"
Gil Hodges IS a Hall of Famer.
by Brooklyn Dodgers Mets Fan on Dec 7, 2009 11:37 PM EST up reply actions
Jesus, this got ugly.
The OP was just saying the same thing I hear 99% of the time about CitiField.
Yes, it’s obviously wrong, as pointed out by the link that SiteBot provided, but couldn’t someone have just pointed that out earlier in a more civil or god forbid, friendly, manner?
Seems like it went from educational opportunity to group beatdown.
But if you want a beatdown for his weird racist rant, then count me in.
hey i posted the HR factors for the parks
and gave us all a lesson in ancient Yakut mythology. I tried my best to educate.
by KeithsMoustache on Dec 7, 2009 11:33 PM EST up reply actions 2 recs
And Chris Coste
"I see the job in bigger terms. Paperwork, that’s false hustle... Know what I’m sayin’?"
John Maine, right?
"We're investigating the investigative procedure of the investigation of Tony Bernazard"---Omar Minaya (he really didn't say it but he would"
Ken Takahashi
"[The Giants] beat us down. We were beat by a grown-man team, a team we want to be like one day. They came in here and took it to us. Out-manned us, out-gunned us. ... It wasn't even close." - Raheem Morris, 9/27/09
Or is it Dan "The Dominican Hammer" Murphy?
I get the Dominican Republic and Ireland mixed up all the time.
by scott from peekskill on Dec 8, 2009 4:30 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
What
We cant be real here and have ballz and talk about how we really feel about the Mets? O that’s in the FANGRAPHS section ok
Ok lets be real about this
Here’s a post from Meddler the other day.
I count 39 guys on the 40-man roster right now
15 of Latin American heritage
24 American born Caucasian
0 Black
0 Asian
Thats about 38% to 62%. The estimated breakdowns for the entire league are as follows:
White: 60%
Latin American: 29%
Black: 8%
Asian: 3%
So basically, the Mets have four more Latin American players on their 40 man roster than the average MLB team, a typical number of white players, three fewer black players, and one fewer Asian players.
Clearly, undeniable evidence that Omar has a Latin bias.
"I see the job in bigger terms. Paperwork, that’s false hustle... Know what I’m sayin’?"
And
that’s why the Mets will never win under Omar, Its like he’s giving a hand out to his friends and not looking out for the best option for the team!
"Omar's guys" =/= Latin American players
We already have a list of “Omar’s guys”. 99.9% of them are/were Montreal Expos.
Brian Schneider was among them. Schneider isn’t a very Hispanic name.
"Blinding ignorance does mislead us. O! Wretched mortals, open your eyes!"
Gil Hodges IS a Hall of Famer.
by Brooklyn Dodgers Mets Fan on Dec 7, 2009 11:53 PM EST up reply actions
That's cause he changed it from
Schñéideros
"I see the job in bigger terms. Paperwork, that’s false hustle... Know what I’m sayin’?"
Lol, my mom said something like that once.
Only, “Schneidero” was some kind of insult. It was something like, when Castillo struck out in a big spot, “You’re acting like a Scheidero”, or something like that.
"Blinding ignorance does mislead us. O! Wretched mortals, open your eyes!"
Gil Hodges IS a Hall of Famer.
by Brooklyn Dodgers Mets Fan on Dec 8, 2009 12:02 AM EST up reply actions
We'll never win with Omar
because the team is mostly white with four more Latin Americans than league average. Wow, just, wow
Omar’s a shitty GM we all know, but it’s not because of his affinity with Latinos, it’s because he like shitty players. You’re just a douchebag who wants to root for a team with 25 white guys on it.
"I see the job in bigger terms. Paperwork, that’s false hustle... Know what I’m sayin’?"
actually
no I am half spanish so I can say what I feel. And they will never win with Omar leading the way. Its not about the ratio with white guys if anything they are more unathletic, its about the Mets culture in the clubhouse and team chemistry and they have no of them.
Good to know you know you've got firsthand knowledge of what's going on in the clubhouse.
"Blinding ignorance does mislead us. O! Wretched mortals, open your eyes!"
Gil Hodges IS a Hall of Famer.
by Brooklyn Dodgers Mets Fan on Dec 8, 2009 4:11 PM EST up reply actions
so you're a self-loathing latino, then?
"[The Giants] beat us down. We were beat by a grown-man team, a team we want to be like one day. They came in here and took it to us. Out-manned us, out-gunned us. ... It wasn't even close." - Raheem Morris, 9/27/09
difference between spanish and latino, bro.
any actual latino would know that. And call it a hunch, but I think anyone named Sal is more likely than not Italian.
"I dunno. I never smoked any Astroturf"
-Tug McGraw
I'm part Spanish too
Not sure how that relates to Latin Americans though, other than that they speak the same language.
"I see the job in bigger terms. Paperwork, that’s false hustle... Know what I’m sayin’?"
so
what r u waiting for? Take the bottle of ambien and down it with Jack Daniels. Do us all a favor.
Noooooo
I’m going to miss that racist douchebag.
by boom_roasted on Dec 9, 2009 10:08 PM EST up reply actions
I was curious if I should kill myself
or all people who have a Spanish heritage should. Now we’ll never know.
"I see the job in bigger terms. Paperwork, that’s false hustle... Know what I’m sayin’?"
you're a douche
and I’m glad you’ve been banned
"We're investigating the investigative procedure of the investigation of Tony Bernazard"---Omar Minaya (he really didn't say it but he would"
that doesn't mean you can say what you feel
"We're investigating the investigative procedure of the investigation of Tony Bernazard"---Omar Minaya (he really didn't say it but he would"
Here's a game
Can you find the sarcasm?
"All energy flows according to the whims of the great magnet
What a fool I was to defy him"
-HST
by Mark Himmelstein on Dec 8, 2009 12:39 AM EST up reply actions
you're terminology is tragically and comedicaly incorrect
"I dunno. I never smoked any Astroturf"
-Tug McGraw
Sal's right.
Someone should have the ballz (is that three balls?) to criticize the FO. We’ve been waaaaay too kind to Omar and the Wilpons.
I haven't been following the contents this thread
but are you guys as sick of these Mexican players as I am?
Turk err jorb!
If there's ever a riot at Citi Field and Oliver Perez was the starter, I started the riot.
Well, on a serious note...
I am especially sick of one certain Mexican player.
by boom_roasted on Dec 8, 2009 12:48 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
You have to give....
CitiField three years before you say that it eats HRs. I wouldn’t blame the ballpark for David Wright’s bad year, he was messed up in more ways than one.
First, we need to fire Omar and get rid of Jerry before things get better. I was never impressed by what he did when he was in Chicago with the White Sox, they won once in 4 years. He knows squat about manipulating a bullpen and a roster.
Hooray for lucid and grounded commets!
Even in this miserable offseason, I still think I loathe Jerry more than Omar. At least Omar has some kind of redeeming qualities that don’t include “ability to appear thoughtful in Buddy Holly glasses”. I still don’t think he’s a good GM, but at least he gives himself a chance to get lucky every now and then with a solid scouting decision and buy-low gamble. Jerry doesn’t even do that, he just comes up with these strange, counter-intuitive tactical decisions that seem to have more to do with “owning” the team than running it well.
"All energy flows according to the whims of the great magnet
What a fool I was to defy him"
-HST
by Mark Himmelstein on Dec 8, 2009 5:50 PM EST up reply actions
Any chance
Jerry suffers a small bout of spontaneous human combustion before the season begins?
by scott from peekskill on Dec 8, 2009 9:51 PM EST up reply actions
yeah
and maybe he will take Sal R with him.
you don't
throw gasoline on a fire to put it out! I feel bad for you
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