Dbacks, Yanks, Tigers trade
big 3 way trade, D-backs are getting hosed on this deal. Looks like Jackson and Granderson aren't trade options for the Mets, not that i held out much hope for Granderson anyway.
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Arizona loses this one
Why trade a young pitcher in Scherzer for someone like Jackson. FAIL
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by Scent of a Woman on Dec 8, 2009 2:02 PM EST reply actions
Yup, and the Yankees win
Granderson for a relief pitcher, a #6 starter, and a fourth outfielder. Blech.
"All energy flows according to the whims of the great magnet
What a fool I was to defy him"
-HST
by Mark Himmelstein on Dec 8, 2009 2:04 PM EST up reply actions
Why can't things like that happen to us, Santana notwithstanding?
"Blinding ignorance does mislead us. O! Wretched mortals, open your eyes!"
Gil Hodges IS a Hall of Famer.
by Brooklyn Dodgers Mets Fan on Dec 8, 2009 2:42 PM EST up reply actions
the yankees essentially got an all star center fielder for free
god i hate them
by KeithsMoustache on Dec 8, 2009 2:50 PM EST up reply actions
Dumbass everyone involved...
"Blinding ignorance does mislead us. O! Wretched mortals, open your eyes!"
Gil Hodges IS a Hall of Famer.
by Brooklyn Dodgers Mets Fan on Dec 8, 2009 2:03 PM EST reply actions
I think the Tigers got a pretty awesome deal
But yeah I don’t understand Arizona’s purpose in this considering they have 400 outfielders already.
Byrnes screwed the pooch
Two young pitchers out; two older, worse pitchers in.
Is it really all that great? Scherzer's great, but they got that an filler pieces
Austin Jackson’s a fourth outfielder and then two relievers. If they trade them separately, maybe they don’t get Scherzer, but at least they can get a much better outfielder and something better than relief filler. Couldn’t we have been just as willing to throw in Fernando Martinez and Bobby Parnell? I guess we’d have had to included Niese which would be too much, but that would have been a WAY better contribution than Jackson, Kennedy, and Coke.
"All energy flows according to the whims of the great magnet
What a fool I was to defy him"
-HST
by Mark Himmelstein on Dec 8, 2009 2:44 PM EST up reply actions
Tigers didn't get an awful deal on this
pretty reasonable return on investment, but yankees win this one by a long shot, and arizona are the clear losers
by KeithsMoustache on Dec 8, 2009 2:51 PM EST up reply actions
I don't see who they could get with better value
Than a possible front-line starter under team control for the next 5 years. Maybe I just don’t like Edwin Jackson but I really didn’t see them getting a serious package for him. And even most of the possible deals I thought we could offer for just Granderson I wouldn’t take over Scherzer.
That's not the part of the deal that bothers me
Even if you leave the D’Backs and Scherzer in the deal, can’t you find a team willing to Granderson for more than A.Jackson, Kennedy, and Coke? I guess its not the actual cost that bothers me, its the opportunity cost. I’d have even probably prefered they just trade Edwin Jackson for fair value, a couple of relief arms or something, and then Granderson for a higher level outfielder and a polished 0-3 back of the rotation type. I could see an argument that getting Scherzer is more valuable than that, but even still, then do that part of the deal with the D’Backs, and for Granderson find someone they like at least as much as Kennedy and something considerably better than Jackson and Coke.
"All energy flows according to the whims of the great magnet
What a fool I was to defy him"
-HST
by Mark Himmelstein on Dec 8, 2009 2:58 PM EST up reply actions
Yeah I guess when you look at it like that it's weird
I was thinking of it as getting Scherzer for Granderson but I guess it’s technically Edwin Jackson for Scherzer, which makes absolutely no sense in my mind. But I’m still not sure there was a deal they could have gotten for Granderson that would have netted them a pieces as valuable as Scherzer. And I don’t think they could have done Edwin Jackson for Scherzer but maybe the D-backs front office is just dumber than I thought.
Yeah, I mean, its not even really a three-way deal
Its basically the Tigers traded Granderson for Jackson, Kennedy, and Coke, and then traded Kennedy and Jackson for Scherzer and Schlereth. I don’t think Kennedy and Jackson are worth Scherzer alone, but just like the Tigers must really like Jackson, the D’Backs must really like Kennedy and figure a shift to arguably the weakest offensive division in baseball is going to do wonders for him. That’s all I can figure. I mean, I don’t think its a terrible value for the Tigers, I just think its the kind of deal that begs the question as to why they couldn’t have gotten more for Granderson, but I guess that’s what all that noise was about yesterday, and someone must have set some kind of deadline to get it done ASAP, and the Tigers figured it wasn’t likely they’d do better later on if this deal left the table. Otherwise, I can’t imagine putting this together so fast was the best way for them to extract value.
"All energy flows according to the whims of the great magnet
What a fool I was to defy him"
-HST
by Mark Himmelstein on Dec 8, 2009 5:42 PM EST up reply actions
Nope, it's all a done deal.
"Blinding ignorance does mislead us. O! Wretched mortals, open your eyes!"
Gil Hodges IS a Hall of Famer.
by Brooklyn Dodgers Mets Fan on Dec 8, 2009 3:17 PM EST up reply actions
pending physicals i believe
maybe one of the players is actually dead and the d-backs hope nobody notices till its too late, that would explain this trade a lot more from their perspective
by KeithsMoustache on Dec 8, 2009 3:21 PM EST up reply actions
Max Scherzer is dead...Crossing my fingers.
"Blinding ignorance does mislead us. O! Wretched mortals, open your eyes!"
Gil Hodges IS a Hall of Famer.
by Brooklyn Dodgers Mets Fan on Dec 8, 2009 3:23 PM EST up reply actions
No offense to Max Scherzer, of course.
"Blinding ignorance does mislead us. O! Wretched mortals, open your eyes!"
Gil Hodges IS a Hall of Famer.
by Brooklyn Dodgers Mets Fan on Dec 8, 2009 3:24 PM EST up reply actions
This makes me sick
The Mets are wasting their time pursuing Bengie Molina and other backup catchers and the Yankees are finding a way to spin one good prospect and a handful of mediocre players into an All-Star outfielder. Omar should’ve been all over Granderson but noooooo, we’ve got Failcoeur so everything is fine. The Mets make me so fucking mad sometimes.
I hate to be one of those annoying mets fans
who’s always expects us to “keep up with the Joneses” The Yankees being the Joness, (how the hell do you pluralize Jones), but in the last 2 off-seasons they’ve traded basically nothing for Swisher and Granderson and broken the bank for Tex, Sabathia and Burnett (and still managed to spend like hell on the draft)
I’m not asking for them to do ALL those thing, but could we do like 1 or 2?
You don't think spinning
A cheap major league average centerfielder, a cheap young bullpen arm, a cheap young back end of the rotation option and 4 minor leaguers into Sean Green is working magic?
You ask too much.
Joneses
Agreed. The Yankees, with this deal, turned lead into gold, metaphorically speaking. It wasn’t a “Yankees signing”, where they blew every other offer made to a FA out of the water, but instead, was a good trade, netting a great player back in exchange for very little. These are the types of moves that good GMs make (wow, that sounds weird, calling Cashman a ‘good’ GM…). Omar hasn’t ever made this kind of move (Santana was more pure luck, with the Yankees and Red Sox canceling each other out, and the Twins having nowhere else to go, realistically), and he needs to.
"Blinding ignorance does mislead us. O! Wretched mortals, open your eyes!"
Gil Hodges IS a Hall of Famer.
by Brooklyn Dodgers Mets Fan on Dec 8, 2009 3:32 PM EST up reply actions
And even with adding Granderson
I think they’ve still got like 15-20 million left coming off to spend.
And scarily enough
They still need a LF, and given Granderson’s one purported flaw of struggling against lefties, you have to think they’re going to go after a right handed bat instead of bringing someone like Damon or Matsui.
"All energy flows according to the whims of the great magnet
What a fool I was to defy him"
-HST
by Mark Himmelstein on Dec 8, 2009 5:44 PM EST up reply actions
This could be a time when the thousands of dumb commentors on metsblog could come in handy
Cause I’m certain if, after all this the Yankees landed Holliday and we walk away with Molina, they’d storm the mets hq with torches and pitchforks.
I mean at some point it is kind of embarrassing especially when you consider they’re payroll was only like 30-40 million more than ours. Which is huge but when you consider they squeezed Sabathia, Burnett, Tex, A-rod, Jeter, Rivera, and now Granderson, plus guys like Swisher/Petite who would likely be our 5th/6th, best players and into that 30 million more, and without underpaying two all-world players, something seems horribly amiss.
I'd start prepping the molitov cocktails
The second it was confirmed Holliday was going to the Bronx.
"All energy flows according to the whims of the great magnet
What a fool I was to defy him"
-HST
by Mark Himmelstein on Dec 8, 2009 6:28 PM EST up reply actions
D-Backs suck
Scherzer uses FIP I think…
"We're investigating the investigative procedure of the investigation of Tony Bernazard"---Omar Minaya (he really didn't say it but he would"
I'm actally more interesting if seeing what,
if anything, the Red Sox do to “counter”, than hearing about Mets winter meeting news, just cause I’m certain the latter can only end in heart ache.
Ed Price tweeted that the Red Sox won't go after Holliday if they lose Bay
That’s something I suppose
That's odd to me
It would seem like they have the payroll room to do, and the need I can’t really see any reason why they wouldn’t.
The Red Sox do seem shy about long commitments.
Though 6/110 for Holliday seems pretty low risk to me.
Especially considering they've shed so much payroll
the last two years, and they bid on Tex and IMO at least, Holliday is basically the same type of player, except he’ll likely be hard for much cheaper.
I think this is a great trade for the Yanks.
Never been a Jackson fan, and Ian Kennedy, in my opinion, is meh at best. So what, they’re just giving up Phil Coke for an affordable perennial All-Star centerfielder?
"I dunno. I never smoked any Astroturf"
-Tug McGraw
Just to make a point, and I, as do many Yankee fans I know, consider myself a pretty objective fan
I wouldn’t trade Nieuwenhuis for Austin Jackson.
"I see the job in bigger terms. Paperwork, that’s false hustle... Know what I’m sayin’?"
Obviously the Tigers disagreed
I will say that I think Nieuwenhuis probably has more everday potential than Jackson at this point. Also that I find it funny that the auto spelling corrector thing has one suggestion for Nieuwenhuis: Leeuwenhoek.
"All energy flows according to the whims of the great magnet
What a fool I was to defy him"
-HST
by Mark Himmelstein on Dec 8, 2009 6:26 PM EST up reply actions
of course
the ever famous Antonie van Leeuwenhoek :
"[The Giants] beat us down. We were beat by a grown-man team, a team we want to be like one day. They came in here and took it to us. Out-manned us, out-gunned us. ... It wasn't even close." - Raheem Morris, 9/27/09
I hope they're right
but it doesn’t look likely
"[The Giants] beat us down. We were beat by a grown-man team, a team we want to be like one day. They came in here and took it to us. Out-manned us, out-gunned us. ... It wasn't even close." - Raheem Morris, 9/27/09
really wish
the mets could have gotten involved in this trade, granderson is a good fit for the team
I was looking at the comments on Pinstripe Ally
and some of them actually think Austin Jackson was too much for Granderson. And they were using WARP, which was just weird to look at.
"I see the job in bigger terms. Paperwork, that’s false hustle... Know what I’m sayin’?"
I'm guessing they're not considering BABIP regression
Being that it makes Granderson look much better than his 2009 and Jackson much worse than his 2009.
"All energy flows according to the whims of the great magnet
What a fool I was to defy him"
-HST
by Mark Himmelstein on Dec 8, 2009 7:02 PM EST up reply actions
Jackson had a .348 wOBA
but with a .390 BABIP. Unless he only hit line drives, he can’t keep that up. This was a great trade for the Yankees.
I saw the same thing. It made no sense.
I turned on Francessa for about 15 minutes before I went to pick my mom up from work tonight, and some callers were complaining about giving up Jackson.
Idiots. Seriously.
"Blinding ignorance does mislead us. O! Wretched mortals, open your eyes!"
Gil Hodges IS a Hall of Famer.
by Brooklyn Dodgers Mets Fan on Dec 8, 2009 11:34 PM EST up reply actions
Jack-O
of Bill Simmons fame apparently posted on his twitter today that he didn’t like the trade (he’s a big Yankees fan). Every time I listen to him on Simmons’ podcasts, it amazes me how dumb Yankees fans are, but not liking this trade might just take the cake.
"[The Giants] beat us down. We were beat by a grown-man team, a team we want to be like one day. They came in here and took it to us. Out-manned us, out-gunned us. ... It wasn't even close." - Raheem Morris, 9/27/09
Dummies.
I happily would have traded Fernando Martinez for Granderson, because, being a prospect, Martinez has a ceiling of around where Granderson already is, and will likely be for the next couple of years.
"Blinding ignorance does mislead us. O! Wretched mortals, open your eyes!"
Gil Hodges IS a Hall of Famer.
by Brooklyn Dodgers Mets Fan on Dec 9, 2009 2:00 PM EST up reply actions
and Martinez is a better prospect than Jackson
"[The Giants] beat us down. We were beat by a grown-man team, a team we want to be like one day. They came in here and took it to us. Out-manned us, out-gunned us. ... It wasn't even close." - Raheem Morris, 9/27/09
No doubt.
"Blinding ignorance does mislead us. O! Wretched mortals, open your eyes!"
Gil Hodges IS a Hall of Famer.
by Brooklyn Dodgers Mets Fan on Dec 9, 2009 4:02 PM EST up reply actions
wow
Imagine Granderson in Center and shifting Beltran to Left, and having a Reyes Granderson 1-2 combo at the top of a lineup. WOW, Missed the boat again Minaya
plus Granderson doesn't speak Spanish
so, win-win, right?
"[The Giants] beat us down. We were beat by a grown-man team, a team we want to be like one day. They came in here and took it to us. Out-manned us, out-gunned us. ... It wasn't even close." - Raheem Morris, 9/27/09
Has anyone seen the "new" version of Clue.
Seriously, it’s retarded. Colonel Mustard is no longer a colonel, and is apparently a basketball star, or something like that. No joke.
"Blinding ignorance does mislead us. O! Wretched mortals, open your eyes!"
Gil Hodges IS a Hall of Famer.
by Brooklyn Dodgers Mets Fan on Dec 9, 2009 4:02 PM EST up reply actions
they re-made clue?
thats horrible, why cant they leave the classics alone
by KeithsMoustache on Dec 9, 2009 5:28 PM EST up reply actions
Granderson isn't all that great a fit for the Mets
unless Beltran really does have to move out of CF.
Anyone know anything definite about that?
Even if he doesn't
Some of the value his bat loses would be made up for with an increase in defense, which is what happens with DeJesus and Endy.
Plus even if Beltran doesn’t HAVE to move out of CF, it wouldn’t hurt, i would think, to move him.
well
to preserve his bad knee I would think it would be a good idea.
That's the idea
And it might not even be about preserving the knee; the injury will likely rob him of range. But there’s been no word about that from the team.
by BobbyV_Incognito on Dec 9, 2009 2:32 AM EST up reply actions
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