Boras calls Mets an economic "juggernaut"

"Asked Wednesday if the Mets had any chance to sign Matt Holliday, likely this winter's priciest free agent, agent Scott Boras called the Mets an economic "juggernaut" thanks to their television revenues, attendance figures and big-market status." via Noble Thoughts - MLBlogs

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This juggernaut?

by deadspy3 on Dec 9, 2009 5:18 PM EST reply actions

a Juggernaut

just like the x-men character.. .incredibly stupid and uses brute force instead of cleverness… sounds like the mets financial strategy all right.

by KeithsMoustache on Dec 9, 2009 5:33 PM EST reply actions 1 recs

Juggernaut

Just for fun, per wiktionary:

http://en.wiktionary.org/wiki/juggernaut

juggernaut (plural juggernauts)

   1. A literal or metaphorical force or object regarded as unstoppable, that will crush all in its path.
   2. (British) A large, cumbersome truck or lorry, especially an artic (typically used somewhat disparagingly).
   3. An institution that incites destructive devotion or to which people are carelessly sacrificed.
   4. A massive inexorable force, movement, campaign, or object that crushes whatever in its way.

Etymology

From Hindustani जगन्नाथ / جگنّاتھ (jagannāth) < Sanskrit जगन्नाथ (jagannātha) “lord of the universe”, a title for the Hindu deity Vishnu’s avatar Krishna, as incorporated in a recent Christian myth – British colonial era – describing the huge annual processional wagon of the idol of lord Krishna in Puri, Orissa. Pulled with ropes by hundreds of devotees, the wagon reaches quite a momentum and becomes unstoppable.

I’m thiking he could have meant definition 3.

by acerimusdux on Dec 9, 2009 9:54 PM EST up reply actions

thats pretty spot on too

by KeithsMoustache on Dec 9, 2009 11:33 PM EST up reply actions

This is my interpretation of said "juggernaut"

Thwomp, from Super Mario Bros.

"The picture looked like I was in the dugout, but they got it all wrong. I absolutely was never in the dugout."

- Mr. B.V. Incognito

by sj10689 on Dec 10, 2009 8:47 AM EST up reply actions

I'm The Juggernaut B*tch!

YouTube – http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ECf2CEusUFU

by nelsonc on Dec 9, 2009 5:37 PM EST reply actions

Run, Juno!

by Sam Page on Dec 9, 2009 6:53 PM EST up reply actions

I have to ask

am I the only one who found that movie almost unbearably annoying.

by KeithsMoustache on Dec 9, 2009 7:49 PM EST up reply actions

Juno, not the x-men one

although I have my thoughts on that one too, but thats another conversation altogether.

by KeithsMoustache on Dec 9, 2009 7:50 PM EST up reply actions

I watched about 25 minutes of it, and shut of it. Horrible, horrible movie.

"Blinding ignorance does mislead us. O! Wretched mortals, open your eyes!"
Gil Hodges IS a Hall of Famer.

by Brooklyn Dodgers Mets Fan on Dec 9, 2009 7:55 PM EST up reply actions

Juno was awesome

X III is just plain awful. Not Batman & Robin, Spiderman 3 bad, but still terrible

"I see the job in bigger terms. Paperwork, that’s false hustle... Know what I’m sayin’?"

by Evan_S on Dec 9, 2009 10:49 PM EST up reply actions

Never saw it. It still makes me sad that Spiderman 3 was what it was.

I mean- there was so much potential. It had Venom, for God’s sake. Venom!

"Blinding ignorance does mislead us. O! Wretched mortals, open your eyes!"
Gil Hodges IS a Hall of Famer.

by Brooklyn Dodgers Mets Fan on Dec 10, 2009 12:05 AM EST up reply actions

Don't.

X3 is just terrible. It takes everything good about the first 2 movies and throws them away. And the way most of the existing characters are killed/depowered just to introduce new ones you don’t care about is just stupid. It’s not as bad as the horrible mishandling of Venom, but pretty awful nonetheless.

by BobbyV_Incognito on Dec 10, 2009 1:22 AM EST up reply actions

i dunno spiderman 3 was awful in a

“its so bad it makes me laugh for the wrong reasons” kind of way… XIII was way more depressingly bad.

by KeithsMoustache on Dec 10, 2009 10:16 AM EST up reply actions

Oh, X-Men 3. I thought that was a Thirteen in roman numerals.

Yeah, I saw X-Men 3. It was…very meh. All of the X-Men movies, at this point, seem very meh. The first one was awesome at the time, and really ushered in this new era of Marvel movies that are, overall, pretty awesome, but nowadays, its very meh. The second one, I never liked too, too much to begin with. The third one…It’s kinda like Spiderman 3- there was so much potential. It had Phoenix, for Gods sake. Phoenix!

"Blinding ignorance does mislead us. O! Wretched mortals, open your eyes!"
Gil Hodges IS a Hall of Famer.

by Brooklyn Dodgers Mets Fan on Dec 10, 2009 12:51 PM EST up reply actions

if you want to hear that same over-witty dialogue deployed

toward nobler ends, “Jennifer’s Body” is the same writer. I had occasion to watch this at a drive-in theater in Atlanta. It was better than Atlanta.

by Pack Bringley on Dec 9, 2009 11:47 PM EST up reply actions

The ultra-hip dialogue is over-the-top

Juno is the most annoying character in the film. No one talks like that, sorry. Overall I enjoyed it though, some good supporting performances from Jennifer Garner, J.K. Simmons and Allison Janney.

by James Kannengieser on Dec 9, 2009 8:57 PM EST up reply actions

agreed

simmons was actually pretty great as the dad.

by Rob Castellano on Dec 9, 2009 9:12 PM EST up reply actions

J.K. Simmons is pretty great in anything

"I dunno. I never smoked any Astroturf"
-Tug McGraw

by squid92 on Dec 9, 2009 9:55 PM EST up reply actions

Word

"I see the job in bigger terms. Paperwork, that’s false hustle... Know what I’m sayin’?"

by Evan_S on Dec 9, 2009 10:49 PM EST up reply actions

Thirded.

I’m actually disappointed that he no longer seems to be the voice of the yellow M&M.

by BobbyV_Incognito on Dec 10, 2009 1:23 AM EST up reply actions

Burn After Reading disappointed me in parts

but that end scene with him and and the CIA official may have been the funniest thing I’ve seen in years. I literally could not stop laughing.

"I dunno. I never smoked any Astroturf"
-Tug McGraw

by squid92 on Dec 10, 2009 1:37 AM EST up reply actions

the script felt so contrived i just couldnt get past it.

nobody has a slang to real word ratio like the one found in that movie. I just didn’t find Juno to be a believable character.

by KeithsMoustache on Dec 9, 2009 11:35 PM EST up reply actions

i've never seen the movie

But I think you underestimate today’s youth’s disdain for language.

by Gina on Dec 9, 2009 11:45 PM EST up reply actions

No it was horrible

The script made the movie both saccharin and unbearable. Skip it.

by scott from peekskill on Dec 10, 2009 1:06 AM EST up reply actions

nope i've got younger sisters

im thoroughly aware of the language of the day, this was just unrealistic

by KeithsMoustache on Dec 10, 2009 10:46 AM EST up reply actions

It's not like he's lying, though...And, it's not as if he said anything no one didn't already know...

"Blinding ignorance does mislead us. O! Wretched mortals, open your eyes!"
Gil Hodges IS a Hall of Famer.

by Brooklyn Dodgers Mets Fan on Dec 9, 2009 6:41 PM EST reply actions

Well, it's not like Omar and the Wilpons

know the Mets are an economic juggernaut. Which they are. of course.

I’m rooting for Scott Boras. It’s come to that.

by SeanSchirmer on Dec 9, 2009 10:26 PM EST up reply actions

Rooting for Scott Boras means

we’ll end up paying Jason Bay 5/75, and Omar will think he’s brilliant for saving money on Bay over Holliday.

by Gina on Dec 9, 2009 10:32 PM EST up reply actions

It won't surprise me if we pick up a guy ready to move to DH.

by SeanSchirmer on Dec 10, 2009 5:58 AM EST up reply actions

Huge prospect package or Carlos Lee?

by Gina on Dec 10, 2009 11:07 AM EST up reply actions

The Wilpons know

they’re just hoping no one else knows.

by Gina on Dec 9, 2009 10:52 PM EST up reply actions

Scott Boras is a bastard, but I'd want him as my agent, sure.

"Blinding ignorance does mislead us. O! Wretched mortals, open your eyes!"
Gil Hodges IS a Hall of Famer.

by Brooklyn Dodgers Mets Fan on Dec 10, 2009 12:06 AM EST up reply actions

See, I don't think I ever would

Boras is playing a game — he’s as fierce a competitor as anybody he represents — and the measure of his wins is dollars. It doesn’t seem that he has any other interests of his clients in mind at all, because the players are just the means to his wins.

Holliday, it seems, is a small-town guy, was really happy in Colorado, his family loved it, he was the toast of the town. Now he’s taking a tour of Oakland and St. Louis and wherever, for what? Some marginal millions of dollars. Will he be as happy as he would have been being the loved and adored star playing his entire career in Colorado? For the rest of his life, adored and admired by everyone he encounters. His family happy in a stable environment. Isn’t the value of that worth some of the extra millions?

I grant that I’m no expert here, as I have no millions of dollars myself, but once you’ve got, say, some tens of millions, is the margin Boras gets you really worth your general happiness in life, which he appears to have no interest in at all? Not to say that your general happiness is guaranteed to be harmed by Boras’ machinations, but they certainly seem to increase the possibility.

Would we hate Ollie so much if he’d gotten him just $9 or 10 a year?

And then there’s the Simmons theory of what he did to Manny, which I find quite plausible — fomented his unhappiness and feeling that he was being disrespected so that Boras could get the dollars from negotiating a new contract for him.

by SuperT on Dec 10, 2009 6:18 PM EST up reply actions

But at the same time

Wouldn’t a player have control over those things? it’s not like Boras is going to force Holliday to sign with someone. If Holliday was that concerned with those things wouldn’t he still be in Colorado or not have hired Boras in the first place?

by Gina on Dec 10, 2009 6:26 PM EST up reply actions

Oh, sure

I am ever-amazed at the way people value some marginal amount of dollars over other facets of life, when they already have what would appear to be plenty of dollars.

I’m just saying Boras isn’t the person I’d want helping me evaluate my options, because he’s focused on dollars. Maybe all his players are also focused exclusively on dollars, and that’s why they hire him.

by SuperT on Dec 10, 2009 6:58 PM EST up reply actions

At the end of the day, the player has to say 'Yes' or 'No'.

If he (or she) allows themselves to get taken aback by the total dollar amount, that’s something they have to deal with. That’s while I’ll give A-Rod some credit, firing Boras and all (though, I think that was staged, to some degree).

"Blinding ignorance does mislead us. O! Wretched mortals, open your eyes!"
Gil Hodges IS a Hall of Famer.

by Brooklyn Dodgers Mets Fan on Dec 10, 2009 10:26 PM EST up reply actions

but he is their legal counsel

and look at the load of crap he sells to the teams trying to convince them to sign player x. You don’t think he’s also giving player x a similar load of crap about how happy he’s going to be playing in new city y that’s gonna pay him an extra million dollars a year than the place he’s already happy in?

I know it’s the players ultimate choice, but when your attorney is pressuring you to make a certain choice, it’s hard to say no to that.

"[The Giants] beat us down. We were beat by a grown-man team, a team we want to be like one day. They came in here and took it to us. Out-manned us, out-gunned us. ... It wasn't even close." - Raheem Morris, 9/27/09

by cjmulrain on Dec 11, 2009 1:47 AM EST up reply actions