NL East WAR Projections: Starting Rotations
by Eric Simon on Feb 27, 2009 8:00 AM EST
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I used the projected starting rotations from Baseball Prospectus's depth charts and WAR was calculated using Sky Kalkman's spreadsheet. For innings pitched and ERA values I averaged the Bill James, CHONE and Miner projections available at FanGraphs. None of those systems projected Kenshin Kawakami so I just used PECOTA's.
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I'm assuming here that Redding wins the last rotation spot and, while that's far from guaranteed, having Freddy Garcia back there won't change this outlook all that much. The Braves' rotation is set and the Phillies' is basically as well (going with Chan Ho Park or J.A. Happ over Kendrick won't make much of a difference), and the good news is that a bunch of computers think the Mets' rotation is the class of the division by about a win.
Tim Hudson is probably going to miss all of 2009, but if he were healthy right now the Braves might have the best rotation in baseball. It's worth mentioning, though, that if Hudson weren't on the shelf the Braves probably wouldn't have picked up Lowe and Vazquez this offseason.
Redding would probably be the Nationals' third-best starter right now if he hadn't bolted for New York. Lannan had a nice 2008 and Olsen might surprise you, but Manny Acta's bullpen is going to be awfully busy this year. Meanwhile, Florida has a bunch of young arms -- Nolasco should be quite good -- so there's some decent upside tempered by a recent history of so-so-ishness.
The Mets have a pretty nice looking rotation: they've got an ace, three solid middle guys and a back-end innings-eater. Any of Maine, Pelfrey or Perez could turn in a great season or a below-average season, while Santana should once again be among the league's best starters.
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I voted Santana
…plus any 4 random other guys.
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by dissento on Mar 1, 2009 8:36 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
I think the problem with our rotation
And really our entire team is how top heavy it is.
by Gina on Feb 27, 2009 8:58 AM EST reply actions 0 recs
If you look at it, though, Redding is projected to be the best fifth starter.
And unlike last year, we have depth in our rotation. Garcia, Niese, Livan, Stokes, and Figueroa are all capable of pitching when needed.
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by squid92 on Feb 27, 2009 10:30 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
I don't mean just the 5th starter
I mean the drop off after Santana is huge. Although I do think we have a bit of upside from our 2-4 starters that the other rotations don’t have. Overall I think the Braves have the most balanced/deepest, especially since I expect Campillo, Reyes and Hanson to take a lot of those 5th starts Glavine is slated in for.
by Gina on Feb 27, 2009 11:08 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
nice use of the stacked column graph type
Helps to visualize what could have been with DLowe…
by mmxii on Feb 27, 2009 9:13 AM EST reply actions 0 recs
Yes, I love the stacked columns with labels.
Beyond the Boxscore // Calling BJ Upton lazy is lazy.
by Sky Kalkman on Feb 27, 2009 9:36 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Not to nitpick, but didn’t the Nats just release Odalis Perez for no-showing at camp? The awful get awful-er.
by tm on Feb 27, 2009 9:27 AM EST reply actions 0 recs
Can you share the number of IPs for each rotation?
All will probably go much deeper than five guys over the course of the season.
Beyond the Boxscore // Calling BJ Upton lazy is lazy.
by Sky Kalkman on Feb 27, 2009 9:36 AM EST reply actions 0 recs
Agreed
Though this was intended to strictly compare the top-five.
by Eric Simon on Feb 27, 2009 9:52 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
One would imagine the sixth through whatever starters won't provide too much value above replacement level, but yeah.
Beyond the Boxscore // Calling BJ Upton lazy is lazy.
by Sky Kalkman on Feb 27, 2009 10:04 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
As context, the average rotation is about 12 WAR.
Beyond the Boxscore // Calling BJ Upton lazy is lazy.
by Sky Kalkman on Feb 27, 2009 9:37 AM EST reply actions 0 recs
who's voting for the braves?
come on!
HELLO HELLO MR WILPON. WE WANT THE MANSION NOT THE CONDO.
by kendynamo on Feb 27, 2009 9:49 AM EST reply actions 0 recs
Better question:
Who voted for the Marlins? Does Mrs. Loria read this site?
by Eric Simon on Feb 27, 2009 9:52 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Even better question:
Who’s voting for the Phillies?
by BobbyV_Incognito on Feb 28, 2009 11:22 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
also
is there not someone in the Mets organization who couldve made a graph like this and shown it to Omar pre-Lowe’s initial offer sheet? if there is, is Omar just ignoring it? sorry to beat this dead horse but imagine how much computer love our rotation would have if perez and lowe’s bar chunks were switched.
regardless, now that we have perez back for 3 years i am on his side and will root and cheer and make supportive hand gestures in his favor while cursing and disparaging and making obscene gestures as lowe.
HELLO HELLO MR WILPON. WE WANT THE MANSION NOT THE CONDO.
by kendynamo on Feb 27, 2009 9:52 AM EST reply actions 0 recs
I will be making those same gestures toward any fool wearing a
Phillies Scumbags or Braves Stinky Southerners jersey.
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by LOUtheMETandNATSfan on Feb 27, 2009 9:58 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
This is the complete opposite of an objective poll.
BUT I LIKE IT ANYWAY! I definitely agree with Maine being in the 3rd spot instead of Perez. For all of the Projection Stats people, would someone mind providing a nice summation (in the form of a graph) that displays what the actual results are versus what was projected?
I would like to see how well the projections PECOTA / CHONE / WAR etc., actually meet actual results. I’m not asking for all of the teams in MLB, just for the METS.
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by LOUtheMETandNATSfan on Feb 27, 2009 9:56 AM EST reply actions 0 recs
It took me like five hours to figure out how to do it
So count on seeing many more of them as I try to get the maximum return on that investment.
by Eric Simon on Feb 27, 2009 10:00 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
LINEUPS!!!
Seriously, this is a fantastic graph. And while it shows how valuable Lowe would have been, it also shows that Ollie is clearly the best #4 starter in the division. Not sure if that’s a good thing or a bad thing, but it is what it is.
by cjmulrain on Feb 27, 2009 10:28 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
jerry "tha numba 1 stunna" manuel, approves
HELLO HELLO MR WILPON. WE WANT THE MANSION NOT THE CONDO.
by kendynamo on Feb 27, 2009 10:02 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
phils fan here...
(ducks)
i think happ probably wins the job over kendrick, certainly by may or june. his projections are much better than kendrick’s. i would think that would close the gap a little, which also looks to be almost statistically insignificant already.
by Matt Swartz on Feb 27, 2009 8:04 PM EST reply actions 0 recs
Anyone else smell feet?
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by LOUtheMETandNATSfan on Feb 27, 2009 11:39 PM EST reply actions 0 recs
voted for braves
The graph underrates Kawakami.
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by Sam Page on Feb 28, 2009 1:54 AM EST reply actions 0 recs
Good stuff Eric.
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by Smoltz's Beard on Mar 3, 2009 5:42 PM EST reply actions 0 recs
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